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gotime

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Such little faith, you actually think that that Gods power of salvation in Jesus is weaker than our flesh. Jesus said the flesh is weak to the disciples before they were empowered by the promised Holy Spirit. but look what happens when the Spirit comes.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Flesh Dead, spirit life.

mortal body/flesh dead. dead things don't do things.

Remember Paul said the flesh held His mind Captive to the law of sin?

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

well Romans 8 brings in the Spirit which mortifies the flesh. then which is stronger?

Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

when the Spirit comes it strengthens the inner man, you know the one that was captive in Romans 7, the one who could not do good. but by the Spirit it is strengthened and empowered by Gods Power in Christ.

notice the promise concerning this:

Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

O ye of little faith, when will you believe that God's power in Christ and him crucified is much stronger than your flesh nature. Yes temptation will always be there but by the Spirit you will not ever give in.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Heb_2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Luk 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

When will you learn that Jesus will empower you. when will you understand that God is able to do more than you can ask or imagine?
 
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All very good but Paul makes it clear that through the Spirit we no longer walk according to the flesh:

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Galatians says this:

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

notice what you shall not do when you walk in the spirit? you will not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

we "walk" do, act, live, works of the spirit.

what was the Romans 7 man? was He in the Spirit or in the flesh? did He walk or do the things of the Spirit or fulfill the lusts of the flash?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

"I am Carnal" "sold under sin"

That is not spiritual and free in Jesus is it.

then shows how He can not do good. is that spiritual?

Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

"captive to the law of sin" Flesh winning out.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Needs to be delivered from death?

very clearly this is not a converted condition. Romans 7 is a carnal man as Paul straightly stated.

"I am carnal"

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

notice the carnal mind is against god because it is not subject to the law in fact can not be. what is the result of this?

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Was the Romans 7 man carnal? yes. was he subject to the law of God? no. he could not do it.

Anyone who thinks that Romans 7 is converted is ignoring what Paul actually says.
The Spirit does enable us to 'not fulfill the lust of the flesh'. We are 'partakers' of the divine nature. We get encouragement and guidance from the Holy Spirit within us but we are 'in the flesh' as in "this body of death" and this "body of death" sometimes gets in our way. [The Spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak.] If Paul was still carnal that does this mean: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin in my members. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God but with the flesh the law of sin. Paul was born again and in his heart and spirit he wanted and desired to do what is right but found himself doing what he didn't want to do. If you don't have this battle going on within you and you are walking in perfect sinlessness - that's great but I can relate to Paul.

It is a spiritual battle - the flesh lusting against the Spirit and the Spirit lusting against the flesh. It will be so until we are delivered from this body of death - that will be when we receive our spiritual bodies when Christ returns.
 

gotime

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The Spirit does enable us to 'not fulfill the lust of the flesh'. We are 'partakers' of the divine nature. We get encouragement and guidance from the Holy Spirit within us but we are 'in the flesh' as in "this body of death" and this "body of death" sometimes gets in our way. [The Spirit is indeed willing but the flesh is weak.] If Paul was still carnal that does this mean: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin in my members. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God but with the flesh the law of sin. Paul was born again and in his heart and spirit he wanted and desired to do what is right but found himself doing what he didn't want to do. If you don't have this battle going on within you and you are walking in perfect sinlessness - that's great but I can relate to Paul.

It is a spiritual battle - the flesh lusting against the Spirit and the Spirit lusting against the flesh. It will be so until we are delivered from this body of death - that will be when we receive our spiritual bodies when Christ returns.
I agree there is a battle I disagree that we have to lose sometimes.

Jesus said the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak to the disciples who had yet to be filled with the Spirit.

you relate to Paul in Romans 7 but not in 8. I relate to 8 and not 7 I once related to 7 but not any more.

Romans 7, carnal slave to sin. Carnal body alive and in control
Romans 8, Spiritual free form sin. Carnal body dead and Spirit in control.

Read it I can do no more. compare the chapters and see what happens.
 
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JDecree

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So if we read John's full passage in context, John is actually proving a believer is to live a life of sinlessness, contrary to what most claim he's saying from the verse often taken out of context.
And until that point is reached, you can have no peace, joy, firm hope, etc because you still see so much sin in you every single day and progress is slow(if progressing at all) and you wonder if you will ever be made good enough. What of all the "Christians"(we have to use quotes, we never know who is or who isnt) who just werent *quite* up to snuff before they died?

If it is that way we have to try and I intend to...but wow...at this rate of sanctification I'd have to live to be 500 years old.
 
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JDecree

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and I have been and am growing in this experience day by day.

Praise God.
Yes, praise God! I would love an experience like that. However I must ask...growing how? Are you being pruned? Pruned of what? Loving more and more? Did you lack love? Bearing more and more fruit? Did you lack fruit? I am honestly curious because the scriptures mention both sinlessness and growth and I cant understand how you can grow if you dont lack in the first place(in other words---lack of fruits of righteousness=sin). How can it be both?