No Longer to Obey Commandments

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sparty-g

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Elin said:
Convenient. . .
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Nothing convenient about it, I'm just trying to be respectful of the OP who does not want to discuss any commands with reference to the OT. I'll gladly start a new thread on this topic after dinner.
 
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p_rehbein said:
Well, that is certainly a different direction to come from. But I am asking the question properly, for this is how it is presented by those who believe as I stated in the OP, and several other times here.

THEY.......I repeat........THEY believe that IF THEY obey the two commandments........THEY are not required to obey any other commandments.........given that, I have properly stated the question that I wish answered. :)
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Being under the New covenant all Christians, whether Jew or Gentile are obligated to obey whatever is given by way of command within that covenant just as those who were once under the Old Covenant were obligated to obey everything given to them. But, as the Hebrew writer points out, the first covenant has been taken out of the way and NO ONE is obligated any longer to the ordinances and regulations of that covenant. Both covenants cannot be in force at the same time.
 
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it looks like "THEY" are absolutely wrong. but i don't know who "THEY" are, just what was just posted.

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Scripture:Jesus did NOT declare all unclean meat to be clean. Jesus sinned if he changed the LAW. No he did not change or negate the Law but he actually gave the correct interpretation and application.

Jesus did not come to do away with the Law, but to FILL IT FULL, to reveal the FULLness, to FULL FILL the TORAH (law).
 
p_rehbein

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oldhermit said:
Being under the New covenant all Christians, whether Jew or Gentile are obligated to obey whatever is given by way of command within that covenant just as those who were once under the Old Covenant were obligated to obey everything given to them. But, as the Hebrew writer points out, The first covenant has been taken out of the way and NO ONE is obligated any longer to the ordinances and regulations of that covenant. Both covenants cannot be in force at the same time.
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kinda hoping no one notices that I "liked" this comment............ :)
 
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Jeff_56 said:
it looks like "THEY" are absolutely wrong. but i don't know who "THEY" are, just what was just posted.

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Scripture:Jesus did NOT declare all unclean meat to be clean. Jesus sinned if he changed the LAW. No he did not change or negate the Law but he actually gave the correct interpretation and application.

Jesus did not come to do away with the Law, but to FILL IT FULL, to reveal the FULLness, to FULL FILL the TORAH (law).
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:) THEY can be easily identified by reading ANY of the 3,244 threads on this Forum whose title somewhat resembles this;

Law vs. Grace...........or any variation of such........... :) Read through them, and you will see who THEY are. :)
 
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psychomom

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jumping in at the end again....:(

but ever notice, just about all the commands of the NT are about horizontal relationships?
 
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psychomom said:
jumping in at the end again....:(

but ever notice, just about all the commands of the NT are about horizontal relationships?
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.......oh no........sigh........she found us......
 
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p_rehbein said:
So, we do not have to physically obey the commandments of the Apostles they wrote in their Epistles?
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Is there any other way to obey in the material order?

We must obey the principles involved, which may not mean the same practices.
 
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Elin said:
Is there any other way to obey in the material order?
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just toying with the elephant eh? ok, sigh............why not.................

YES________

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a simple " x " in either will suffice........do not, do not under any circumstances place an " x " in both........under penalty of Forum self destruction........
 
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psychomom said:
glad you found your avatar, little elephant. :)
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:) not my favorite......it is still lost in the far reaches of never land........sigh.....but thissin's ok too......got another I'm gonna swap it out with every so often.
 
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if you mean like i posted elsewhere "they" are the "other gospel" instead of the true gospel then yes, that shows quite clearly. i just didn't know if that's what you meant or if you meant only the smaller set of people on this thread that are part of the bigger set of people who are deceived by the "other gospel" and push it instead of believing or seeking for the true gospel.


p_rehbein said:
THEY can be easily identified by reading ANY of the 3,244 threads on this Forum whose title somewhat resembles this;
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Jeff_56 said:
if you mean like i posted elsewhere "they" are the "other gospel" instead of the true gospel then yes, that shows quite clearly. i just didn't know if that's what you meant or if you meant only the smaller set of people on this thread that are part of the bigger set of people who are deceived by the "other gospel" and push it instead of believing or seeking for the true gospel.
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Don't think I am speaking of anyone on this thread...........hmm, ...................... no, don't think so........but I am not going to call out anyone by name, that would not be right to do. :)
 
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p_rehbein said:
Elin said:
Is there any other way to obey in the material order?

We must obey the principles involved, which may not mean the same practices.
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just toying with the elephant eh? ok, sigh............why not.................

YES__X______

NO___X______

a simple " x " in either will suffice........do not, do not under any circumstances place an " x " in both........under penalty of Forum self destruction........
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You missed half my response above.
 
MarcR

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p_rehbein said:
Sorry Brother........but this appears to be a dodge...........just saying......that could be applied to ALL of Christ's commandments regardless of which Testament they are found in.

Summarized intent? Jesus said: If you love me, you would obey me. What part of that is a summarized intent?
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The summarized intent of the two verses is: Love God wholeheartedly; and consider your neighbor's wellbeing as important as your own.

Jesus said that in doing those two things we obey all His commandments, or that all his commandments are to be viewed in light of these two.
 
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MarcR said:
The summarized intent of the two verses is: Love God wholeheartedly; and consider your neighbor's wellbeing as important as your own.

Jesus said that in doing those two things we obey all His commandments.
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Is what He meant............that IF we obeyed these two, we would automatically obey the rest without the need of being instructed to? Or did He mean we could simply disregard the rest? Big difference.
 
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psychomom said:
jumping in at the end again....:(

but ever notice, just about all the commands of the NT are about horizontal relationships?
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maybe. Jesus repeatedly says seek Yahweh ABBA Elohim and spend a lot of time with Him - then gradually our focus will change from ourself to Him; and to do what we see HIM Do. and to speak what HE speaks. and to judge righteously, as HE judges (i.e. not by what can be seen or felt or known 'physically') with perfect judgment.

i.e. the sheep watch the shepherd and listen to the shepherd and follow him and do what he says.
when sheep watch and follow other sheep, they always end up in trouble.
 
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