Ok to be lesbian?

[Kawaii]

Well in your view, God has a double standard regarding homosexuality.

Anyway I have tried to stop you from fighting a losing battle but to no avail.

You are taking a very legalistic view of christianity, the legalities of whether lesbianism is directly forbidden in the bible is irrelevant to christians. Most argue that it does in Romans as many have posted.
The fact that homosexuality is referred to as sin infers both male and female varieties. Additionally in no way is it condoned in the bible.

The bible does not directly forbid me from speeding or driving recklessly, however, it does not condone it either. Also in NT i believe it refers to obeying authority which you can infer to mean obey traffic laws.

I will end with this, If you have a problem with the morality of the church's view on homosexuality, leave the church, start your own denomination, do whatever. Attempting to change the christian's view based on a legalistic loophole is futile.

It doesn't say homosexuality is a sin. It specifically designates a man sleeping with a man as they would with a woman as an abomination.

Just because it isn't condoned in the Bible, doesn't mean we should assume it's a sin.

Comparing the lack of condoning something only to speeding while driving because it isn't condoned either, suggests that any good thing that isn't condoned in the Bible should not be practiced. Being lesbian is a grey area, so you can't say it's a sin just because it isn't condoned in the Bible. Besides, I believe speeding and driving recklessly would fall under tempting GOD, like how Jesus would have if he were to have jumped off the cliff.

 

[Kawaii]

Hi Kawaii, welcome

Thanks!

 

[Kawaii]

Don't let Satin fool you.

Homosexuality (from Ancient Greek ὁμός, meaning "same", and Latin sexus, meaning "sex") is romantic attraction, sexual attraction or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender.

Yes, [Although you used the Greek variation of the "Homo" prefix with a Latin suffix, and the Latin variation of the "Homo" prefix means "Man", but I will ignore this.] but the Bible does not use the term "Homosexual". It instead, says something along the lines of "Thou shall not lie with a man, as with womankind: it is abomination". The definition of homosexual is irrelevant in this case.

 

[Kawaii]

I am wondering where someone of "uncertain" spiritual status would find such a deep (although perverse) study of the Bilbe?

The reason I ask is because there was a hippie "Jesus" cult in the 1970's called the Children of God, and this sounds like something out of their doctrinal statement. CoG started legitimately, and gradually deteriorated into a non-biblical cult, with one man, David Berg, enforcing his own doctrine, including forcing women to sleep with each other. People literally had to be kidnapped and de-programmed by family members.

I thought CoG kind of died out, but reading this post makes me wonder. It is just too close for comfort!

Well, I see from Wikipedia, this group has changed its name several times, and is now The Family International. David Berg, the founder is now dead and considered a prophet!

Here is the link:

Family International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if you are in this cult, please PM me, and we can talk about it, and what the Bible really has to say about needing a relationship with Jesus Christ, flirty fishing, and this sort of deceptive post!

Ah, no. This is my first time hearing of it.

 

[Kawaii]

You cannot excuse the behavior simply because some feel they cannot accept the fact that it is wrong. Only God has the right to determine what is right and wrong, not man. God says this is sin. He has condemned it on every level and has promised that these will "receive in their own persons the due penalty of their error,"

Paul said that though, not GOD.

 

[Radius]

OP if you are just going to be combative against the Scriptures and play the ignorant things of God role then live your life the way you see fit. You may just be trolling anyway. We have given you much to think about, we can't change you and clearly the Scriptures can't change your mind at the moment, either. You obviously are looking for a way out but it will not come.
Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

 

[Kawaii]

OP if you are just going to be combative against the Scriptures and play the ignorant things of God role then live your life the way you see fit. You may just be trolling anyway. We have given you much to think about, we can't change you and clearly the Scriptures can't change your mind at the moment, either. You obviously are looking for a way out but it will not come.
Ephesians 4:18

They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

I'm just saying that there is no way to be certain it's a sin, in the same way we can be certain men sleeping with men is listed as a sin. There is even reason to doubt, due to the absence of lesbians being listed in GOD's list of sexual immoralities.

 

[Jda016]

I'm just saying that there is no way to be certain it's a sin, in the same way we can be certain men sleeping with men is listed as a sin. There is even reason to doubt, due to the absence of lesbians being listed in GOD's list of sexual immoralities.

You are treading a dangerous line, actually. Many people have shown verses that show all manner of homosexuality as wrong.

your line of reasoning seems to be if the Bible doesn't EXPLICITLY state that something is wrong, then it might be ok. That same line of reasoning could be applied to child molesting.

 

[oldhermit]

Really? Where? Show me the the words which could only be written by a god that say this is wrong. As all I see are the writings of men of a bygone era in morally ambiguous collection of stories and myths which object to it. Yes, homosexuality is nonsensical from an evolutionary standpoint in the sense that it can not produce offspring through its practice but that is something you may not care about when you are in the arms of the woman you love.

One thing I have come to realise, if I and millions of others are wrong, and there is a judo-christian god and a heaven, you can keep it! If it is filled with people likeminded to yourself then I would consider an eternity there to be my own personal hell. If I remember, to speak ill of God / the holy ghost means I will never be forgiven.....that should already be more than covered.

OP. Disregard what any Bigot on here thinks and follow your faith as feels right to you. The kingdom of God exists within you and not on the pages of propagandist bias literature.

Good day to you sir.

Here then is the root of the problem. When men disregard the Bible as the Word of God they become a law unto themselves.
If you dismiss the Bible as exclusively the Word of God then it really does not matter what else you do or believe. Your are already without hope.

 

[Radius]

I'm just saying that there is no way to be certain it's a sin, in the same way we can be certain men sleeping with men is listed as a sin. There is even reason to doubt, due to the absence of lesbians being listed in GOD's list of sexual immoralities.

Yes there is a way to be certain.

Rom 1:26
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones."
What causes shame? Sin. The Scripture says right here in black and white that women exchanged natural (man and woman) sexual relations for unnatural (woman and woman, lesbianism) ones.

If you want to harden your heart because you desire this sin so much, then you are playing a very dangerous game. You cannot claim ignorance on Judgment day. You are darkened of your understandings of the Scriptures because of your love and desire for this particular sin, just as I did when I drank alcohol and got drunk, I excused it away saying I needed it like medicine because of my stress..that doesn't work with God.

You can harden your heart and harden your heart and eventually God will send you (and possibly already) a powerful delusion so that you believe the lie that lesbianism is ok.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
("and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, 12in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.")

 

[oldhermit]

The problem is that the text doesn't ​clearly condemn it, though.

I think you know better than that. You are just looking for a way to rationalize the behavior and justify it to yourself.

 

[oldhermit]

Paul said that though, not GOD.

Do you believe the New Testament is the Word of God?

 

[Radius]

You are treading a dangerous line, actually. Many people have shown verses that show all manner of homosexuality as wrong.

your line of reasoning seems to be if the Bible doesn't EXPLICITLY state that something is wrong, then it might be ok. That same line of reasoning could be applied to child molesting.

Exactly. The very fact that the OP's ONLY defense is that the Bible doesn't come out and say plainly that lesbianism is wrong (but it actually does, she just ignores and glosses over it) that's it's ok to do. Does the Bible say smoking weed in particular or doing LSD is wrong, or is it mentioned in the Bible? No. But it is. Would you pop a few acid tabs and smoke a blunt if Jesus was sitting next to you? Come on. ANY wrong doing is sin. Homosexuality is a sin and wrong. The OP is under a very heavy and powerful delusion right now. Scary actually.

 

[Animus]

The bible seems to refer to sex as penetrative, though, as I understand it...

I think that is why the bible also says sexual immorality is a sin, in addition to homosexuality and fornication for example.

"neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality"

It is clear that God has one very specific thing in mind in regards to sex, and everything that is not that one specific thing falls under at least one of these categories. Jesus says that if you look at woman with lust you are committing adultery in your heart. Are we really to believe that He condones people "fooling around" so long as there is no penetration involved?

 

[Vernon]

sexual immorality (adultery and fornication) is condemned by God as evil, Jesus said such thoughts defile a person. Matthew 15:19-20. not only the acts but the thoughts are considered evil.
We are called to be spiritual, to repent from the lusts of the flesh. We are told that are carnal nature died with Christ on the cross and we are no longer slaves to our flesh, but the Spirit of Truth is now the ruler of our bodies. Obviously we still struggle with are carnal nature trying to control our bodies, and Paul writes of this struggle in the epistle to the Romans.
I know of homosexuals who are seeking a monogamous relationship with one sexual partner and do not want to lust in the flesh and seek many sexual partners, because they view such behavior as sexual immorality. I know of homosexuals who sincerely love Jesus Christ and accept him as their Lord and Savior.
In that we all sin and fall short of perfection is admitted by the honest believers, and God has used us even while we remain sinful. He used a man named Lonnie Frisbee who was one of the evangelists during the hippie conversion of the late sixties and seventies. Without the work of Lonnie Frisbee the Calvary Chapel movement would have never taken place, he was a homosexual and died of complications from aids. So we know God has used homosexuals to spread the gospel and I know of homosexuals who love our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
We all struggle with sin, and many of us struggle with the lust of the flesh, some more than others. None of us deserve salvation based on our own works and if all were truthful they would admit without the mercy and love of Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice for our sins none of us would be saved. So it is my belief that homosexuals male or female can be saved, if they love God and love one another, if they repent of their lusts and seek monogamous relationships as heterosexuals do, then I believe they will be saved, just as while we are yet sinners Christ died for us , he also died for the homosexual.
I can not condemn another for their struggle with sin while I continue to sin, wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this flesh? Is it not God who is transforming us into the image of his Son?

Christ be with you always.

 

[danschance]

Originally Posted by Kawaii

The bible seems to refer to sex as penetrative, though, as I understand it...

Jesus said looking on a woman with lust in your heart is adultery, even though no sex act was performed.

[h=3]Matthew 5:27-28[/h]New King James Version

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

 

[Kawaii]

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

I took the things you have said into consideration, but this still concerns me. It almost convinces me, that if GOD truly said this part, that being lesbian is not a sexual perversion. Otherwise, GOD would have included it here.

 

[oldhermit]

22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

I took the things you have said into consideration, but this still concerns me. It almost convinces me, that if GOD truly said this part, that being lesbian is not a sexual perversion. Otherwise, GOD would have included it here.

Do you believe the New Testament is the Word of God?

 

[Kawaii]

Do you believe the New Testament is the Word of God?

Are you referring to this?
What is the word of God

 

[oldhermit]

Are you referring to this?
What is the word of God

Let me ask it this way. What do you think of the Bible? What kind of document do you think the Bible is?