Once Saved, Always Saved?

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HOTSSOZO

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I can help with this, people call him a heretic or false teacher but Joseph Prince set me free from performance based Christianity and a preached 15 minutes on grace which changed my life and set me free from sin. Jesus said it is finished when he died on the cross, if you are in Christ you cannot be condemned, God isn't mad at you for sins, and in fact he is pleased with you because you have the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Our Heavenly Father gives the same love and favor as he has for his Son, not only that you have been justified, declared completely guilt free because of Jesus death and resurrection. You have died to the law in Christ, and you were resurrected to life as a new creature in Christ.

You are so dead! Ever see a court prosecute a dead corps? You cannot be judged if you have died already! But now you are a new creature, that sin nature is no longer living in you, the Holy Spirit lives in you, and you are declared righteous before God if you have faith that Jesus Christ was crucified and resurrected the third day. Let Jesus rule over you life, let go and let God keep you out of the bondage of sin. Sin is no longer you master if you are in Christ.

So go in sin no more sister, you have been set free from sin in Christ.
 
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Kayiw1

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I see you were speaking from experience (in your reply to my intro post Kayiw1) Thanks for giving me a heads up ☺
 
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Kayiw1

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Ummmmm. I think I responds to the wrong person. Sorry. I'm a nuby
 

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Once saved always saved? but when are you eternally secure (saved)?
I don't believe you can say you are secure in the future while you still have the choice to deny Jesus.
If you can choose to be unsaved, it isn't sure. We can have the eternal promise and the sure Hope, and be sure that God will be faithful but we can still choose who we serve.
Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
 
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Kayiw1

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Thank you. I believe I'm beging to understand. You're not going to loose you faith/salvation unless you want to. I.e. intentionally turn your back & no longer believe. Right?
 
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Ultimatum77

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Thank you. I believe I'm beging to understand. You're not going to loose you faith/salvation unless you want to. I.e. intentionally turn your back & no longer believe. Right?
Yea I think you've got the gist of it... :)
 

TMS

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Intentionally or unintentionally, either way you can loss the connection. Satan isn't stupid people can slowly and gradually loss their connection with Jesus, One sin can lead to another and slowly separate us from God. We turn our backs on Him, God is always there to save us but we need to be in Christ to be Saved.
Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
 

mailmandan

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The problem with this group is that they are hoping in their own good works rather than trusting in Christ's perfect Work.
That's exactly right! These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in THEIR WORKS to save them and NOT in CHRIST ALONE. Jesus NEVER knew them. *Notice that Jesus did not say I once knew you, but don't anymore. Their hearts were not right with God because they are unbelievers, so their attempted external obedience was not done out of faith. This is why Jesus referred to them as WORKERS OF INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS! They said, "Lord, Lord," but did not do His will (vs. 21) "For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day" (John 6:40). The correct answer for these many people would have been Lord, Lord, didn't YOU live a sinless perfect life, die for my sins on the cross and rise from the dead on the third day, I am trusting exclusively in YOUR finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of my salvation.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Once saved always saved? but when are you eternally secure (saved)?
I don't believe you can say you are secure in the future while you still have the choice to deny Jesus.
If you can choose to be unsaved, it isn't sure. We can have the eternal promise and the sure Hope, and be sure that God will be faithful but we can still choose who we serve.
Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

So when God said you will not die, he did not mean it? When God said you have eternal life, He did not mean it When God said you are justified, he did not mean it..

God should have said you MIGHT BE? (I Ask because that is basically what you just said)
 

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So when God said you will not die, he did not mean it? When God said you have eternal life, He did not mean it When God said you are justified, he did not mean it..

God should have said you MIGHT BE? (I Ask because that is basically what you just said)
Was there conditions on those statement? If you repent, If you believe, if, ....
If our heart is right we are Saved. But our hearts can change so it isn't sure until probation closes.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Was there conditions on those statement? If you repent, If you believe, if, ....
If our heart is right we are Saved. But our hearts can change so it isn't sure until probation closes.
Not every one who believes is saved. even demons believe and tremble, it takes much more than belief in Christ to save a person

Those who have true faith are saved.. And they will never fall away, That is what the bible teaches. SOmeone who left, Left to as John says, prove they were never part of the church.

I do not believe God, who is omniscient and knows every thought we will ever think, will give a person a gift, he calls eternal. Knowing in ten years they will fall from faith and no longer believe. and force him to take his "eternal" gift back.

That is a mock on Gods character.

 

valiant

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Once saved always saved? but when are you eternally secure (saved)?
I don't believe you can say you are secure in the future while you still have the choice to deny Jesus.
If you can choose to be unsaved, it isn't sure. We can have the eternal promise and the sure Hope, and be sure that God will be faithful but we can still choose who we serve.
Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Then how do you explain these verses?

'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)


But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).


All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3,23-25).


'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)


'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).


'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).


'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).


I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).


But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).


Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).


Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).


He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)
 
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roaringkitten

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Was there conditions on those statement? If you repent, If you believe, if, ....
If our heart is right we are Saved. But our hearts can change so it isn't sure until probation closes.
So you're saying salvation is ultimately based on our own hearts. Not a stable foundation according to the Word(Jer 17:9). My salvation is based on my Rock, Fortress, Deliverer, Buckler, My High Tower!(Psa 18:2). I am assured of my salvation because the Bible plainly states that in 1 John 5:13:

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that
ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
 
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The problem with this group is that they are hoping in their own good works rather than trusting in Christ's perfect Work.
Or they they were living by "faith" and following their own spirit instead of Christ's spirit. Correct doctrine is required to keep us on the straight and narrow path.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Or they they were living by "faith" and following their own spirit instead of Christ's spirit. Correct doctrine is required to keep us on the straight and narrow path.
And one of those correct doctrines that keeps us on the straight and narrow path is the doctrine of the Trinity.
 
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Amen!...if you take God the Holy Spirit out...then you are left with "working for your own self-righteousness"....no real dependency on Him to transforms as like 2 Cor 3:17-18 says true transformation happens in a believer's life that is based on the grace of Christ alone through faith....things like this are very telling.


And one of those correct doctrines that keeps us on the straight and narrow path is the doctrine of the Trinity.
 

valiant

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Was there conditions on those statement? If you repent, If you believe, if, ....
If our heart is right we are Saved. But our hearts can change so it isn't sure until probation closes.
There is no IF with God. These are written so that you may know for certain that you have eternal life (1 John 5.13), Full Stop.

When He addresses us before we are saved He says 'if you repent and believe.' When He makes an overall statement he says I WILL.

He is doing the saving, not us. When He says I WILL.. He means it, He changes our hearts, not us,
 
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There is no IF with God. These are written so that you may know for certain that you have eternal life (1 John 5.13), Full Stop.

When He addresses us before we are saved He says 'if you repent and believe.' When He makes an overall statement he says I WILL.

He is doing the saving, not us. When He says I WILL.. He means it, He changes our hearts, not us,
That's the way Martin Luther looked at it. He envisioned GOD as riding man's free will like a horse with a bridle in his mouth turning it wheresoever he will ("it was ridden either by God or the devil"). Quite a bizarre concept of GOD actually.
 

valiant

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That's the way Martin Luther looked at it. He envisioned GOD as riding man's free will like a horse with a bridle in his mouth turning it wheresoever he will ("it was ridden either by God or the devil"). Quite a bizarre concept of GOD actually.
Where did I say that? I spoke about GOD changing our hearts once and for all,