Once saved, is sin ok?
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Psalms 37:8
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
Ecclesiastes 7:9
Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
Oook, now I'm a devil? Wow.. That's a lie in itself. Another "sin" You've said nothing of your pride? Why are you doing this?
I asked you a question, I haven't accused you of anything but who we are saved sinners, we are not perfect, only Christ is perfect. We must strive for perfection with a " good and righteous heart" always well intended..
I do respect you mam, I have respect for my elders, I even said I still like you and love you. While your calling me a devil. I still haven't changed my mind, but you've just called me something I'm not. I forgive you, and respect you Ms. Bride, by the way
(I'm on your side) if you would read the OP(original post) you would maybe understand, we are called to perfection, I'm close to perfect, but not.. This is something I strive to do, walk in perfection (Jesus Christ). My heart strives for the good things, my spirit has the fruit,
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I have all of this in abundance mam.. We are on the same team on this idea, only difference I realize I'm not perfect as you claim to be, but as I said, I'm sorry for bothering you with any of it, ok?
Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
Ecclesiastes 7:9
Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
Oook, now I'm a devil? Wow.. That's a lie in itself. Another "sin" You've said nothing of your pride? Why are you doing this?
I asked you a question, I haven't accused you of anything but who we are saved sinners, we are not perfect, only Christ is perfect. We must strive for perfection with a " good and righteous heart" always well intended..
I do respect you mam, I have respect for my elders, I even said I still like you and love you. While your calling me a devil. I still haven't changed my mind, but you've just called me something I'm not. I forgive you, and respect you Ms. Bride, by the way
(I'm on your side) if you would read the OP(original post) you would maybe understand, we are called to perfection, I'm close to perfect, but not.. This is something I strive to do, walk in perfection (Jesus Christ). My heart strives for the good things, my spirit has the fruit,
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I have all of this in abundance mam.. We are on the same team on this idea, only difference I realize I'm not perfect as you claim to be, but as I said, I'm sorry for bothering you with any of it, ok?
They believe that. In other words, they are convinced that something is so.
Saving faith is trusting the Savior, not believing that . . . .
Sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved?
Answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that
whosoever believes in Him . . . . .
By grace you have been saved through faith . . . NOT OF WORKS
Saving faith is trusting the Savior, not believing that . . . .
Sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved?
Answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that
whosoever believes in Him . . . . .
By grace you have been saved through faith . . . NOT OF WORKS
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i guess im saying that some there may have been other things happening. we often ignore the poor and elderly. when we visit soup kitchens we find many with gray hair sitting at the tables. im certainly not excusing sin but as walter rauschenbusch said "we are not trying to make the world good. we are trying to make it into a place where its easier to be good." it was certainly sin to sell the drugs but there may be a lot of other sins pressing against the man and while they dont force him to sin, it may be much easier than going cold or hungry.
I feel sorry for the man, I do, and it was quite insulting for him to ask me being that I was a addict, it wasn't even a thought when he asked though, nor was it the first time people have asked, but "that's the devil for ya" but if we want to go there, how did he get this electric wheel chair, these are pretty pricey, disability ? so maybe it's just bad decision making that has him in the situation he's in, don't know, I'm not him ..so how can we ask these questions?
Acts 2:36-39King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Atwood, I think both sides take it too far. I don't know if you remember any of my comments from other threads, but I do not believe that we are saved by works. But I am also reluctant to teach OSAS. First, I am not sure that it is accurate. But, even if OSAS is taught in the bible, I believe that the bible also teaches that work will accompany true belief. No, we are not saved by our works, but if we do not work then we did not truly believe. Secondly, I am concerned for those who might think they are saved, when they have not been saved. Again, true belief results in true works. If you really believe something, then you are effected by that belief.
Again, we are not saved by works. We work because we believe.
Again, we are not saved by works. We work because we believe.
No we are not "on the same team with this idea". Otherwise you would never have accused me of these things you said against me.
Yes, you were being a devil to me, accusing me of sin and pride and a whole host of things. Fact. I've don't know you and have never sinned against you. Fact. Your attacks on me were unprovoked. Fact. I am brand new to this forum stuff and perhaps there is some strange electronic wickedness that you ooze out in spite of yourself? I will write it off to immaturity and bad upbringing, as your apology is weak as well. Think twice next time before bringing false accusations against a stranger, for you were identical to this;
(Mat 26:59)
Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
Jesus was perfect, and they attacked him. Why?
Why did you attack me sir? Because I said this?
(Mat 5:48)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
More for you to know in your sin against me...
Job's three friends attacked Job also with false allegations. It was almost their death seal except Job prayed for them and God accepted Jobs sacrifice for them. So also I pray for you and ask the Lord to forgive you for your exact same false witness against me. Let this be a lesson son. Never claim another is a sinner. That is putting a noose around your neck. And if YOU ARE one, you better get your life right before God, because He won't put up with that for very long I can assure you. For that simply tells about your lack of love for Him. Read and understand;
(Job 42:7)
And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
(Job 42:8)
Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.
(Job 42:9)
So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.
(Job 42:10)
And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before.
Anyway, to get back to the question someone asked earlier, if anyone sinned last week, and I gave my testimony... I had temptations this last week. Through Jesus they were conquered immediately. I haven't left the Holy Spirit of Christ in me, nor has He forsaken me to be defenseless against temptation.
But some here say they are sinners while claiming to be Christians. As bizarre a claim as that is, I'm sure they wouldn't mind divulging what their sin was, I'm curious to hear what sin you committed last week, those of you who are sinners. What was it, adultery? Theft or lying? Coveting your neighbor's property? What was it? We are here to help, if you want to overcome sin by the Blood of Christ.
I used to be a fornicator, guilty of fornication and adultery. So I personally can relate to when Jesus forgave me and told me to go and sin no more, and take it very seriously to not sin any more. I hate sin. Jesus delivers me from it as promised. It wasn't always that way, and I'd never go back to being that way. My heart is with the perfect Jesus.
So let's hear it all you who claim to be sinners, what did you sin at last week? (the first nut who says "ate too much ice cream" gets a rotten tomato throwed hehe) Ok, let's hear it, let us help! Nothing is more important than this!
But some here say they are sinners while claiming to be Christians. As bizarre a claim as that is, I'm sure they wouldn't mind divulging what their sin was, I'm curious to hear what sin you committed last week, those of you who are sinners. What was it, adultery? Theft or lying? Coveting your neighbor's property? What was it? We are here to help, if you want to overcome sin by the Blood of Christ.
I used to be a fornicator, guilty of fornication and adultery. So I personally can relate to when Jesus forgave me and told me to go and sin no more, and take it very seriously to not sin any more. I hate sin. Jesus delivers me from it as promised. It wasn't always that way, and I'd never go back to being that way. My heart is with the perfect Jesus.
So let's hear it all you who claim to be sinners, what did you sin at last week? (the first nut who says "ate too much ice cream" gets a rotten tomato throwed hehe) Ok, let's hear it, let us help! Nothing is more important than this!
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most of us make bad decisions many times. sadly there are people in america living so close to homelessness and hunger that their bad decisions cost more than the bad decisions of others. as far as the electric wheelchair: they are covered by medicare/medicaid and the manufacturers peddle them on tv. i guess what i am really saying is that there is certainly enough sin in modern society to spread around (and in a pretty thick layer.) i think it was dorothy sayers who said that "the church condemns the sins that society condemns and ignores the sins that make society rich."
Here is what you stated and what I was responding to...
You have just designated three categories of sin.
1. Living in sin = unabashed sinnning. ie. sinning all the time.
2. Occasionally sinning. You know, just here or there.
3. Sins of ignorance.
Then you speak of "losing salvation" which gives me the impression that you view salvation is a "thing" or "position" instead of a "manifest present reality of abiding in the will of God."
To claim that one can "occasionally sin here or there" just so long as they don't do it all the time is clearly arguing in favour of sin. Occasionally get drunk, steal, look at porn, hate someone, get angry without cause? Is that what you mean?
Escaping the corruption that is in the world through lust and being born unto God is either a real experience or it isn't, it is either a total transformation of the heart or it isn't. Jesus was very clear that we cannot serve two masters and Paul was clear that we are slaves to whom we obey, therefore if we obey sin then we are the slave of sin, which is EXACTLY what Jesus taught when He said that if you commit sin you are a slave of sin, which He appended with that the Son sets us free from that indeed. That is either true or it isn't and most professing Christian's believe it is not true unfortunately.
Thus the rest of your post...
...is basically a moot point because you have "occasional sin" in there. If you really believe that you can rebel against God occasionally and choose evil and yet remain saved then you have a false view of what salvation means.
Think about it.
You have just designated three categories of sin.
1. Living in sin = unabashed sinnning. ie. sinning all the time.
2. Occasionally sinning. You know, just here or there.
3. Sins of ignorance.
Then you speak of "losing salvation" which gives me the impression that you view salvation is a "thing" or "position" instead of a "manifest present reality of abiding in the will of God."
To claim that one can "occasionally sin here or there" just so long as they don't do it all the time is clearly arguing in favour of sin. Occasionally get drunk, steal, look at porn, hate someone, get angry without cause? Is that what you mean?
Escaping the corruption that is in the world through lust and being born unto God is either a real experience or it isn't, it is either a total transformation of the heart or it isn't. Jesus was very clear that we cannot serve two masters and Paul was clear that we are slaves to whom we obey, therefore if we obey sin then we are the slave of sin, which is EXACTLY what Jesus taught when He said that if you commit sin you are a slave of sin, which He appended with that the Son sets us free from that indeed. That is either true or it isn't and most professing Christian's believe it is not true unfortunately.
Thus the rest of your post...
...is basically a moot point because you have "occasional sin" in there. If you really believe that you can rebel against God occasionally and choose evil and yet remain saved then you have a false view of what salvation means.
Think about it.
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What a lot of people do is speak out of two sides of their mouth.
On the one hand they will state that salvation involves a total transformation and that obedience to God is a necessity then on the other hand they will make an allowance for occasional rebellion which basically destroys their first assertion.
So you might oppose unconditional eternal security, claim that salvation involves a total transformation, claim that one can lose salvation through defying the Holy Spirit through the deceitfulness of sin, yet to say that one can "sin here or there" as long as it is not "all the time" just undoes all those other claims.
When you say "lustful thought" and label it sin what exactly do you mean? Do you mean the natural passion which would lead one to sin, a natural passion which we mortify and thus refuse to submit to it?
When you mean speak of "getting angry at another driver" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean having evil in your heart towards another for a brief period of time?
Paul wrote "be angry and sin not." Anger itself is not sin, only unrighteous anger is sin. Frustration is not sin either, it is only sin if we allow frustration to rule us where it breeds unjust anger. The Spirit of life in Jesus Christ ALWAYS gives us victory in these things IF we WALK after it and choose the way of escape. If we don't, then we are just fooling ourselves.
Jesus was angry in the temple where the outer court has been turned into a market place. Likewise Jesus would have had the natural sexual passions of any man yet He refused to yield to them in disobedience to God (in mind and body) and therefore sin.
Sin unto death always involve an act of the will and is always rooted in iniquity. The Saints do not do such things.
On the one hand they will state that salvation involves a total transformation and that obedience to God is a necessity then on the other hand they will make an allowance for occasional rebellion which basically destroys their first assertion.
So you might oppose unconditional eternal security, claim that salvation involves a total transformation, claim that one can lose salvation through defying the Holy Spirit through the deceitfulness of sin, yet to say that one can "sin here or there" as long as it is not "all the time" just undoes all those other claims.
When you say "lustful thought" and label it sin what exactly do you mean? Do you mean the natural passion which would lead one to sin, a natural passion which we mortify and thus refuse to submit to it?
When you mean speak of "getting angry at another driver" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean having evil in your heart towards another for a brief period of time?
Paul wrote "be angry and sin not." Anger itself is not sin, only unrighteous anger is sin. Frustration is not sin either, it is only sin if we allow frustration to rule us where it breeds unjust anger. The Spirit of life in Jesus Christ ALWAYS gives us victory in these things IF we WALK after it and choose the way of escape. If we don't, then we are just fooling ourselves.
Jesus was angry in the temple where the outer court has been turned into a market place. Likewise Jesus would have had the natural sexual passions of any man yet He refused to yield to them in disobedience to God (in mind and body) and therefore sin.
Sin unto death always involve an act of the will and is always rooted in iniquity. The Saints do not do such things.
So you never get angry anymore? Never a lustful thought? You are walking perfection now like Jesus Himself? I would also like to point out that my heart has been transformed by Christ and you have ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!! to say about it. How can you even presume to tell me about my salvation? You better educate yourself before throwing accusations and arrogantly proclaiming others salvation status. Have you read my testimony? Do you know me at all, or did you jump to a rash and premature judgment of me from one comment? I don't know who you think YOU are, but you are defiantly not who judges or tells me about MY relationship with the one true God through the blood of Jesus Christ, and only by His grace, and made apparent in me through the regenerative power of the Holy Spirit. I HAVE changed brother, if you knew anything about me you'd know that too. I'd watch it with those snap judgments if I were you brother, it makes you look bad.
This is great post.
This person speaks of their salvation as an abiding reality and therefore there is simply no room for rebellion in that.
I know I cannot choose to do evil EVER without leaving such an abiding reality. The notion that one can be "saved" and "choose evil" and "remain saved" is evidence that they believe that salvation is "positional only" as opposed to being a "manifest reality."
It is the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ which sets us free from the law of sin and death. It is the abiding reality of walking according to the Spirit in which we are energised by God where we go and sin no more. That is the salvation we experience now.
The law of sin and death is simply that if you sin you die. Rebellion to God instantly cuts one off from God, for it is an act of turning from the Creator and an act which brings condemnation over the soul because that soul is guilty. The guilt cannot be undone hence the need of a washing, not a continual washing of ongoing condemnation, no! A once and for all washing in which we are given a fresh start where we can overcome by patiently continue in doing good, seeking for glory, honour, immortality, eternal life.
This person speaks of their salvation as an abiding reality and therefore there is simply no room for rebellion in that.
I know I cannot choose to do evil EVER without leaving such an abiding reality. The notion that one can be "saved" and "choose evil" and "remain saved" is evidence that they believe that salvation is "positional only" as opposed to being a "manifest reality."
It is the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ which sets us free from the law of sin and death. It is the abiding reality of walking according to the Spirit in which we are energised by God where we go and sin no more. That is the salvation we experience now.
The law of sin and death is simply that if you sin you die. Rebellion to God instantly cuts one off from God, for it is an act of turning from the Creator and an act which brings condemnation over the soul because that soul is guilty. The guilt cannot be undone hence the need of a washing, not a continual washing of ongoing condemnation, no! A once and for all washing in which we are given a fresh start where we can overcome by patiently continue in doing good, seeking for glory, honour, immortality, eternal life.
My issue was with you claiming that one can "occasionally sin so long as they do not do it all the time" and making a distinction between that and sins of ignorance.
In other words you clearly stated that one can rebel against God "every now and then" and not be condemned for it.
Yet you don't address that point to me at all. Instead you approach me in an accusatory and brash manner and by doing so COMPLETELY IGNORE MY PREMISE.
Why do you do that?
Here again is the quote I am referring to...
You plainly put sin into three categories.
1. Living in sin = unabashed sinnning. ie. sinning all the time.
2. Occasionally sinning. Sinning here or there.
3. Sins of ignorance.
You have stated that it is ONLY the first category which should not apply to a Christian. You make allowance for the second and third categories.
The Bible speaks of TWO categories of sin not three.
1. Sins of rebellion, disobedience unto unrighteousness, sin unto death.
2. Sins of ignorance, sin not unto death.
It is ONLY the second category which may apply to a Christian and it is for those things that a Christian receives chastisement and then puts the lesson learned to use by changing their behaviour.
The first category is out of the question.
Do I ever get angry? Of course I do. Yet anger is not a sin. Only unrighteous anger is sin. I get angry at sin all the time especially when I hear news reports or see the destructiveness of sin right in front of my face. God is angry with the wicked every day but God is not sinning.
Paul wrote...
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Here Paul is teaching what it means to be a Christian. There is simply no room for wickedness in that, not even occasionally here and there.
Why not address the substance of what I write instead of responding in an accusatory manner whereby you just blow off my premise? Why do you do that?
In other words you clearly stated that one can rebel against God "every now and then" and not be condemned for it.
Yet you don't address that point to me at all. Instead you approach me in an accusatory and brash manner and by doing so COMPLETELY IGNORE MY PREMISE.
Why do you do that?
Here again is the quote I am referring to...
You plainly put sin into three categories.
1. Living in sin = unabashed sinnning. ie. sinning all the time.
2. Occasionally sinning. Sinning here or there.
3. Sins of ignorance.
You have stated that it is ONLY the first category which should not apply to a Christian. You make allowance for the second and third categories.
The Bible speaks of TWO categories of sin not three.
1. Sins of rebellion, disobedience unto unrighteousness, sin unto death.
2. Sins of ignorance, sin not unto death.
It is ONLY the second category which may apply to a Christian and it is for those things that a Christian receives chastisement and then puts the lesson learned to use by changing their behaviour.
The first category is out of the question.
Do I ever get angry? Of course I do. Yet anger is not a sin. Only unrighteous anger is sin. I get angry at sin all the time especially when I hear news reports or see the destructiveness of sin right in front of my face. God is angry with the wicked every day but God is not sinning.
Paul wrote...
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Here Paul is teaching what it means to be a Christian. There is simply no room for wickedness in that, not even occasionally here and there.
Why not address the substance of what I write instead of responding in an accusatory manner whereby you just blow off my premise? Why do you do that?
There is no verse that says it is the Holy Spirit's responsibility to refrain the Christian from sinning and falling away.
The fact is, eternal security says salvation is UNconditional thereby allowing the Christian to sin as he pleases without losing his salvation. Yet if the Christian's actions do matter, then that makes salvation conditional. So you have tried to find a way around this by putting accountability and responsibility upon the Holy Spirit for the sins men commit.
Heb 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
Christians willfully choose to sin and the Holy Spirit does not step in an violate man's free will and stop the willful sinning. The actions of the Christian do matter making salvation conditional.
Therefore eternal security would answer the OP's question with a "yes"
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Look man I don't have to do anything because you say it, but I will try to answer your questions one more time to clear thing up. First stop acting like you know it all. Your arrogant tone is VERY off-putting. Second you can't tell everything about someone by overanalyzing one comment.
Ok to you questions.
"You have stated that it is ONLY the first category which should not apply to a Christian. You make allowance for the second and third categories", see here is a disconnect, I would put the 2 remaining categories together. I may react to a given situation in a way I immediately regret and will repent and do what I can to make everything right, but I still actually did wrong. I, given a choice, feel I will not choose to sin at all, yet if it is something I didn't think of as sin until the Holy Spirit convicts me of it later in my walk then what? Have I not been sinning even though I didn't realize it?
An example, when I was reborn I stopped a lot of lifelong habits I never even though of as sin, like video games and porn. I tried to play video games once and just felt there was better ways to spend my time, I tried to pull up porn one time as well after regeneration and could only think of what the girl had been through to get to this spot, what happens if her kids ever come across this, how would her parents feel to see it. The Spirit just changed all that overnight, and I haven't done either in about 14 months now. The thing is I even took the TV's out of my house too now, yet the Spirit only lead me to do that 2 months ago. I now see the TV as a tool for sin, yet I was regenerated a whole year while still watching it, and letting my kids watch it. I was saved and still sinned. I may still be sinning every day in a way I don't see yet.
That is what I'm talking about. I really agree with what you're saying, and to be honest I am usually on the other side of this debate anyway. I do KNOW that a true Christian is changed, a new creature and we do not sin knowingly, and if we do the Spirit lets us know that it was a slap to His face.
I just think you were on a "Sin is not ok" mission (that I agree with you on) and overreacted to a very small part of one post in ignorance of who Gods made me. I still feel you should chill all that "I know about your salvation" stuff out man. This isn't a game and He works in each one of us differently, and while you should never stop speaking truth, you are not God and cannot make those kinds of calls. Why do you feel you know enough to say these things to people? I addressed your questions, it would be cool to see why you feel you are so authoritative. You do know the very same God is in many of us right?
Ok to you questions.
"You have stated that it is ONLY the first category which should not apply to a Christian. You make allowance for the second and third categories", see here is a disconnect, I would put the 2 remaining categories together. I may react to a given situation in a way I immediately regret and will repent and do what I can to make everything right, but I still actually did wrong. I, given a choice, feel I will not choose to sin at all, yet if it is something I didn't think of as sin until the Holy Spirit convicts me of it later in my walk then what? Have I not been sinning even though I didn't realize it?
An example, when I was reborn I stopped a lot of lifelong habits I never even though of as sin, like video games and porn. I tried to play video games once and just felt there was better ways to spend my time, I tried to pull up porn one time as well after regeneration and could only think of what the girl had been through to get to this spot, what happens if her kids ever come across this, how would her parents feel to see it. The Spirit just changed all that overnight, and I haven't done either in about 14 months now. The thing is I even took the TV's out of my house too now, yet the Spirit only lead me to do that 2 months ago. I now see the TV as a tool for sin, yet I was regenerated a whole year while still watching it, and letting my kids watch it. I was saved and still sinned. I may still be sinning every day in a way I don't see yet.
That is what I'm talking about. I really agree with what you're saying, and to be honest I am usually on the other side of this debate anyway. I do KNOW that a true Christian is changed, a new creature and we do not sin knowingly, and if we do the Spirit lets us know that it was a slap to His face.
I just think you were on a "Sin is not ok" mission (that I agree with you on) and overreacted to a very small part of one post in ignorance of who Gods made me. I still feel you should chill all that "I know about your salvation" stuff out man. This isn't a game and He works in each one of us differently, and while you should never stop speaking truth, you are not God and cannot make those kinds of calls. Why do you feel you know enough to say these things to people? I addressed your questions, it would be cool to see why you feel you are so authoritative. You do know the very same God is in many of us right?