Once saved, is sin ok?
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If Paul answers with a 'yes' then he contradicts himself..."Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," 1 Cor 6:9
Fornicators, as the one in 1 Cor 5, will NOT inherit the kingdom of God.
"He that committeth sin is of the devil.." 1 Jn 3:8.
1 Cor 5:5 "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
Why deliver one to Satan? That he MAY be saved, not deliver him to Satan for he IS saved.
Christ's righteousness is not transferred to the sinner while the sinner does nothing. The sinner must work righteousness/obey the gospel by being baptized into Christ, Gal 3:27
1 Jn 1:7 the Christian must walk in the light continuously for his sins to be continuously washed away. Quit walking in the light tomorrow then sins are no longer washed away becoming lost.
C
Actually BF, you're a found sinner, if you truly have the correct God. I'm not sure you do, being you cannot admit you're a sinner like Paul did. In fact Paul called himself the chief of sinners.
1Tim. 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
Notice the tense there. I am, not I was. If you can't admit this, I don't think you've found the true Savior yet.
1Tim. 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
Notice the tense there. I am, not I was. If you can't admit this, I don't think you've found the true Savior yet.
Dude you did it to me twice in the other discussion on this, but STOP declaring if people are saved or not. You told me the same thing and I am 100% saved buddy, read our testimonies before you declare our salvation to us brother. I rebuke you right now for doing this over and over. You are not God, you are not Jesus, our salvation is between us and Him, NOT YOU!
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Doing Righteousness simply means, believing in Jesus.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
When the bible talks about doing righteousness it's talking about doing something that makes you a righteous person. Since the bible tells us that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is none righteous, no, not one, and there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good and sinneth not, how does one become righteous?
Of course, it's obvious that the only way any sinful person can become righteous is by having all of his sins forgiven and righteousness automatically imputed upon him by faith. And the only way that can happen is by recieving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. So, doing righteouness simply means believing in Jesus. It doesn't mean obeying a lot of commandments and rules and being on some kind of self-righteous works trip.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
When you recieve Jesus He destroys the works of the devil in you. He wipes away all your sins, past, present and future so that you can't sin anymore. You'll still make mistakes and wrong decisions and do bad things but nothing you can do is wrong from that time forward. It is wrong to get under condemnation for anything you think are wrong or that other people tell you are wrong. you are white as snow, clean as a whistle, made perfect by the blood of the the Lamb.
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
When the bible talks about doing righteousness it's talking about doing something that makes you a righteous person. Since the bible tells us that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,and there is none righteous, no, not one, and there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good and sinneth not, how does one become righteous?
Of course, it's obvious that the only way any sinful person can become righteous is by having all of his sins forgiven and righteousness automatically imputed upon him by faith. And the only way that can happen is by recieving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. So, doing righteouness simply means believing in Jesus. It doesn't mean obeying a lot of commandments and rules and being on some kind of self-righteous works trip.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
When you recieve Jesus He destroys the works of the devil in you. He wipes away all your sins, past, present and future so that you can't sin anymore. You'll still make mistakes and wrong decisions and do bad things but nothing you can do is wrong from that time forward. It is wrong to get under condemnation for anything you think are wrong or that other people tell you are wrong. you are white as snow, clean as a whistle, made perfect by the blood of the the Lamb.
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
C
I didn't declare it I shared my opinion. If one cannot admit he's a sinner, I don't think he an be a christian. BF continually denies being a sinner. If you cared about him you'd warn him too.....dude. And BTW, you're a sinner too. Deny that and I'll say the same to you. You'e worshipping a false god if you think you're not a sinner. That said, I don't think I ever accused you of not being a christian. Can you show me where I did? And the irony is, you told me I wasn't a christian. Go figure.
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And just to be clear here too, Jim, BF is making quite a different point than you were. You believe one cannot continue in a pattern of habitual sin after being saved, but you admit you are still a sinner. I agree with that position as well. I believe in repentance and Lordship salvation, not watered down licentiousness. I believe the Spirit changes those He indwells, but at the same time, I also know I'm a wretched sinner.
But BF if taking a very different stand. He says emphatically he is not a sinner. That's very different, I think you'll admit. That gets into heresy territory, and you should be backing me up on warning him. Your position and his are diametrically opposed. He's in big trouble believing that, and you know it. Do you care enough to say anything?
But BF if taking a very different stand. He says emphatically he is not a sinner. That's very different, I think you'll admit. That gets into heresy territory, and you should be backing me up on warning him. Your position and his are diametrically opposed. He's in big trouble believing that, and you know it. Do you care enough to say anything?
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That depends on whether he is saved or not. You didn't make that clear in your question. If he is saved, then he's not a fornicator because the blood of Jesus has washed away all his sins. If he's not saved then he is a fornicator because he has not been cleansed of all his sins. Or, we can put it this way, if he's saved then he's a righteous fornicator, if he's not saved then he's a wicked fornicator.
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13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
C
But there are also passages warning us to check ourselves.
2Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
Then there's the entire letter of 1John warning that those who do not obey are deceiving themselves.
I think there's a balance here. Yes, it's true we cannot sin our way out of salvation. But it's also true that true believers persevere. As Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them.
1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
2Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
Then there's the entire letter of 1John warning that those who do not obey are deceiving themselves.
I think there's a balance here. Yes, it's true we cannot sin our way out of salvation. But it's also true that true believers persevere. As Jesus said, by their fruits you will know them.
1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
D
Well, my point is that we're all sinners but if we receive Jesus He cleanses us from all sin, but for the ones who don't receive Jesus, they're not cleansed and forgiven for all their sins. It's like some one once said, "The Christian is not perfect, he is forgiven." So, really, the only difference between the wicked and the righteous is Jesus. The righteous are saved sinners because we believe in Jesus. The wicked are unsaved sinners because they reject Jesus and refuse to believe in Him. What sins each of us may or may not be guilty of is irrelevant. A fornicator becomes righteous by receiving Jesus. A different fornicator refuses to repent and receive Jesus and, therefore, remains wicked.
C
What you say here I can wholeheartedly agree with, and it's well put. And I'm convinced any christian can commit any sin. There are many passages though, that warn about false professions of belief, and that's the only element of balance I was trying to address. If one is continually in his old lifestyle with reckless abandon, it would seem likely from a biblical standpoint, he may not have truly believed. If one has faith, but no works, can that faith save him?