Once saved, is sin ok?

[SeaBass]

thanks for not reading the second part

Your second part said "Hope you were saved today, tomorrow is your free day to be unrighteous maybe? Sounds a bit like indulgences"

As I was pointing out 1 Jn 1:7 does not allow for "indulgences". 1 Jn 1:7 REQUIRES the Christian to walk in the light continuously>a day to day lifestyle else his sins will no longer be cleansed away and he will become lost.

 

[Brainfreeze]

hey man, i am not trying to be a d-bag to you - I just think there is assurance of salvation in Jesus Christ, but not assumption of salvation - i can't just do anything I want. I was called for a purpose, and I need to find that out and search that out, to live it out. We can worry about other's in their sin to the point where we doubt the existence of God, or worse think more highly of ourselves.

I drive myself crazy with my thoughts as well at times, a brother on here encourages me - just keep it simple bro - will save you a lot of trouble - simple trust in who God is, what He does in a believer, not a goat.

If this is some what of a apology, I accept, God is simple, the rules are simple, us humans make all this complicated. I'm not worried about everyone else's sin, that's on the individual, and I'm not damning anyone to hell, never have, out of the 476 post so far here, or anywhere else for that matter, but it's my job to speak the truth, if people are convicted by the Spirit and truth, that should tell them something, if we are doing right by God and living in the Spirit, we will automatically be dying to the flesh. It's either we serve the flesh and what we want, or we serve the Spirit and what He wants, very simple, of course we still live in the flesh, but to train yourself through the Spirit, to repent, and if we're sorry, we would do our very best not to do it anymore. We shouldn't say because we live in the flesh, we have to give to it, because we also live in the Spirit and have a choice to give to God. It's like a preacher told me long ago, if there's two dogs came off the chain and started to fight, which one will win? The one who we fed more will win.

 

[Bride]

Bible says not so..


John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.



Proverbs 26:11 - As a dog returneth to his vomit, [so] a fool returneth to his folly.


Hebrews 10:26 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,


Romans 2:16 - In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


Thoughts on this subject please...

Living His Righteousness is awesome!
Good topic to post, and very important to know about I agree, amen.

(Rom 8:1)
There is
therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



(Rom 8:4)
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


(Rom 8:9)
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.




(Rom 8:10)
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.






(Rom 14:17)
For the kingdom of God is...

righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

 

[Atwood]

Let us ask:

For a sinner, is once & for all saved OK?

He is able to save to the uttermost.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded,
sick & sore.

If you tarry till you're better,'
You will never come at all;
Not the righteous,
Not the righteous,
Sinners Jesus came to call.

 

[newbirth]

Let us ask:

For a sinner, is once & for all saved OK?

He is able to save to the uttermost.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sins.

Come ye sinners,
Tired & weary,
Weak & wounded,
sick & sore.

If you tarry till you're better,'
You will never come at all;
Not the righteous,
Not the righteous,
Sinners Jesus came to call.

did Christ save you from sin so that you can sin some more?...if you came to Christ a sinner and you remain a sinner ...then why did you come to Christ???

 

[john832]

Paul most certainly does not answer it no. You do not seem to comprehend what you read. The man was separated for the purpose of fellowship but never given to believe that he was unsaved. For the purpose of the testimony of the local assembly they separated from him but they gave it over to God as to his eternal state. A lesson you should take note of by the way.

When this man repented he was restored to fellowship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Perhaps you can give us your insight as to the meaning of these scriptures...

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[newbirth]

Paul most certainly does not answer it no. You do not seem to comprehend what you read. The man was separated for the purpose of fellowship but never given to believe that he was unsaved. For the purpose of the testimony of the local assembly they separated from him but they gave it over to God as to his eternal state. A lesson you should take note of by the way.

When this man repented he was restored to fellowship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

if he was not given to believe he was unsaved then why would he have repented? and if he was restored , where was he restored from and to where?

 

[Calminian]

You guys love this Romans 7:24... But refuse to add the next verse, which is the answer...
Romans 7:25King James Version (KJV)


25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

He is saved!! Through Christ ...

Exactly. He is saved, yet calling himself a wretched man, and the chief of sinners. I'm pretty sure Jimbone would also have no problem calling himself a sinner. But for some reason, you do. Why? Why is is you disagree with Paul on this?

Utter these 4 little words and I'm off your back: "I am a sinner."

 

[Calminian]

....I just think there is assurance of salvation in Jesus Christ, but not assumption of salvation ......

Very well put.

Heb. 3:12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

2Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselvesa to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?​

I would also put the Heb. 6 warning in this category as well as the Heb. 10 warning. Nothing can touch God's elect, but there is a faith out there that doesn't save, and we need to circumspect.

 

[blue_ladybug]

*momentary derailment of thread*

Sorry for sidetracking this thread, but I have a question about unclean foods and the laws in the bible concerning them, specifically bacon. Is eating bacon still "taboo" or did God declare it fit to eat? I believe in the OT he declared it unfit to eat, but did he rescind that command in the NT? Thanks for any answers.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Exactly. He is saved, yet calling himself a wretched man, and the chief of sinners. I'm pretty sure Jimbone would also have no problem calling himself a sinner. But for some reason, you do. Why? Why is is you disagree with Paul on this?

Utter these 4 little words and I'm off your back: "I am a sinner."

There is a difference between someone unsaved and of the world, then someone covered by Jesus, saved, not of the world, none of us can keep Gods laws, that doesn't mean go on, live your life how you want to, it means if we are living for Jesus " righteously " we are saved from sin, if we now have the Holy Spirit, it will correct us from carnal thinking, therefore we don't deliberately ( on purpose ) do as everyone else in the world does ( unsaved sinners ). A saved person is different then everyone else, we should be light in a dark world, not live amongst the darkness and be overcome by it with what everyone else does (sin), are you understanding any of this, or the verses anyone is posting? As newbirth said, if we came to Christ a sinner and after getting The Holy Spirit, remain a sinner ( nothing's changed ), why did we come to Christ then?

 

[Jimbone]

*momentary derailment of thread*

Sorry for sidetracking this thread, but I have a question about unclean foods and the laws in the bible concerning them, specifically bacon. Is eating bacon still "taboo" or did God declare it fit to eat? I believe in the OT he declared it unfit to eat, but did he rescind that command in the NT? Thanks for any answers.

All food is ok now, it goes right alone with the gentiles not having to be circumcised. Here are some verses on it.

Matthew 15:17-20
"Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."

Mark 7:15-19
"There is nothing outside the man which can defile him if it goes into him; but the things which proceed out of the man are what defile the man. [" If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear."] When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?"

1 Timothy 4:1-5
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer"

 

[Brainfreeze]

*momentary derailment of thread*

Sorry for sidetracking this thread, but I have a question about unclean foods and the laws in the bible concerning them, specifically bacon. Is eating bacon still "taboo" or did God declare it fit to eat? I believe in the OT he declared it unfit to eat, but did he rescind that command in the NT? Thanks for any answers.

I try not to eat, pig, whenever I can, I know pig eats anything, therefore I don't eat it. Farm raised cow is different, I do eat that.

 

[blue_ladybug]

​Ok great..thank you Jimbone and Brainfreeze. You've been a big help to me.. Carry on debating..lol

 

[Jimbone]

I try not to eat, pig, whenever I can, I know pig eats anything, therefore I don't eat it. Farm raised cow is different, I do eat that.

I don't think this has anything to do with the subject either, but I actually want a farm to raise a cow on.

 

[newbirth]

I try not to eat, pig, whenever I can, I know pig eats anything, therefore I don't eat it. Farm raised cow is different, I do eat that.

I know a guy who eats anything...the only thing he doesn't eat is things to drink

 

[just-me]

Hebrews 10:26 To the thread name. Why in the world would you ask? That's a no brainer.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Mistakes and non willful sin will occur. The heart condition toward God through Christ is what matters. If we are apathetic concerning this, we are doomed to eternal death.

 

[newbirth]

Exactly. He is saved, yet calling himself a wretched man, and the chief of sinners. I'm pretty sure Jimbone would also have no problem calling himself a sinner. But for some reason, you do. Why? Why is is you disagree with Paul on this?

Utter these 4 little words and I'm off your back: "I am a sinner."

why would you want someone to say they are a sinner when Christ called us to be saints????

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

Ephesians 5:2-4King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

 

[Billyd]

I try not to eat, pig, whenever I can, I know pig eats anything, therefore I don't eat it. Farm raised cow is different, I do eat that.

I raised on pork and the Word of God. God gave us two commandments that fulfilled the Levitical Laws. He also gave us His Son who died on the cross, was buried, and lived again after three days to pay the price of our salvation. He also promised me that no one can take that salvation from me. I just spent over an hour talking with a dear friend who was struggling with his sin nature. He said "I know that I am saved, but I'm having a terrible time breaking away from a sin." How many of us have been there? I don't care if you are a OSAS believer, or a works believer, or you lost you salvation because of a continuing sin, we are going to tell my friend that he will not defeat his sin until he turns it over to Christ. I am saved through my faith in Christ. I know that I will sin. I also have trouble living with a sin until I give it to Christ.

After thousands of posts I pray that those of you caught up in this fruitless debate will turn your opinions over to Christ and let Him resolve it in your heart.

 

[john832]

Hebrews 10:26 To the thread name. Why in the world would you ask? That's a no brainer.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Mistakes and non willful sin will occur. The heart condition toward God through Christ is what matters. If we are apathetic concerning this, we are doomed to eternal death.

This post shows great understanding of what God is looking for. He understands that will will make mistakes, that we will fall, He also wants us to be forgiven and get back up and strive to overcome sin.

Psa 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
Psa 130:4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.

What does He look for?

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

If you are to forgive a brother, isn't that an example of what God does for us?

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

We are to repent, become converted (notice become is progressive? A continuing process Rom 7:14-25) and our sins are blotted out?

God nowhere says that He does away with the Law, what He does do is apply the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to our sins to PAY for them.