Oneness

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Pneuma, but that does NOT accurately represent the picture of God in Scripture. If God does not change then there cannot have been a time when there was no Father, or no Son, and no Holy Spirit.
Agreed. Before engaging me, you might want to have a clue what my position is or isn't and whether or not I will hand you your fallacious doctrine on a platter.

All three PERSONS
Exegetically support the term "person/s" from the Greek text (or translated English), and clearly define it. AND contrast it to the term "being" from the Greek text (or translated English) and both clearly define it and contrast it to the term "person/s". You don't get to just declare F/S/HS as "persons" (in one "being") by presuppositional declaration. Personal pronouns are insufficient attempts at inference; and other invalid inference attempts will be refuted as well.

Your entitlement and indoctrination are showing. Please put them aside and thoroughly support your position from the inspired text rather than dogmatized opinion.

must always have existed, in reality, not as a "role" performed by someone.
Since I'm not a Modalist, this isn't an issue for me. Support your assertions.

When Jesus prays to His Father, he doesn't dash off like Superman and change his role at the other end in order to receive the prayers he just sent to heaven. In fact he NEVER says he IS the Father, he says the Father is IN HIM (and He is in the Father).
And I never made that assertion, nor is it my position. Put away your strawman fallacy and support your declaration that God is three "persons"/one "being".
 
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Chesed, this oneness teaching is contrary to several clear verses in Scripture saying how the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is also God, yet the Son is NEVER the Father, the Father is NOT the Son, and the Holy Spirit is neither of the other two. All three are real, and all three are Divine, and yet there is only ONE Divine Being. this idea confused christians (and still does Jews and Muslims) for about 400 years from the time of the Apostles. first let me offer my analogy for the one God, three Persons idea:
To better understand the Trinity, think of 3 sunbeams shining on a partially cloudy day. Each are of the same source, same substance, but illuminating different areas.. they are all of the same thing, yet distinct from one another.. So it is with God..>one BEING< one substance, but apparent in 3 PERSONS: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Don't offer feeble analogies. Provide definitive scriptural exegesis instead of presuppositional declarations.
 
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Hello everyone!

We have just started a student ministry class at my church and are currently talking about Oneness vs. Trinity. Now the people who are teaching the class strongly believe in Oneness meaning God is only ONE being and the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not separate. This is probably the most confusing thing in the Bible to me...I have always thought of God being 3 that are separate but ALL make up God, and God is One because they are all in one accord, same heart, same mind, same purpose kind of like marriage and the scripture that says "the two shall become one flesh" of course that belief is being challenged in this class. I believe Jesus is fully God the bible clearly says that in 1 John "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." It also says the Word became flesh...that's Jesus.
What I'm stuck on is is God only ONE being or is God made up of 3 beings?
I have been studying several scriptures and asked God to help me see the truth....I'm curious what's your take on this? Do you believe God is made up of 3 beings or is God only One being who manifest himself in 3 ways? Please backup your answer with scripture I'm not looking for just a personal opinion or what someone else told you, if its not in Gods word it won't help me. :)
I would love to do a bible study with you :) can we please remember, Human can lead us astray but God's word is sound, True, and always accurate, so seek God's face and his truth, and not man! amen :) Not saying thats what your doing just wanted to remind us of that :)

Now it is from my studies of the scripture and the hebrew Lang that "God' Has a personal name! Yes, many times when we say God we think of the father, then wonder where does the others play a part, but in all actuality it's made clear to us in scripture

1 John 5:7"[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Father being [/FONT]YHWH[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], The Word being Jesus Christ(Y[/FONT]eshua)and the Holy Ghost as is, These three are one, God
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Do you see?

Colossians 2:9"
[/FONT]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily"

Jesus had the Holy Spirit sent to him of his Father, and his Father had always been with him as seen when he said,

Matthew 27:46 "
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]His Father was with him and also the Holy Spirit, and these three were one! amen, Lets look at this verse to help us better understand this topic

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[h=3]1 John 5:8"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."[/h]
I think we all can agree that we need all three things to 'live' We need Water, blood and a Spirit, these things are different but still are one, because without Water, tho Blood and Spirit remaineth, we would still die, and its pretty much the same if one would to say Vise versa

To plainly say, what my studies of the bible has shown is this

That the Godhead or Trinity consists of the Eternal Father, a personal spiritual Being, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, infinite in wisdom and love;the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, through whom all things were created and through whom the Salvation of the redeemed hosts will be accomplished; The Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, the great regenerating power in the work of redemption.


and I would leave you with this scripture :) God bless you friend, keep seeking the Lord because he will lead you into truth and understanding, so be encouraged!

Matthew 28:19"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
 
Feb 17, 2013
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Pneumonia, what exactly, dogmatically is your position and can you exegetically support it without inference?
 
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has been out of this convo for a few hours.....(has a life) and now I'm lost at where everyone stands....***sigh***
 
Feb 17, 2013
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never had duck before..... is it tender?
Well to get the perfect liver, you must tie the duck upside down and force feed it a special kibble so that liver swells and is surrounded with fat. Sounds delicious don't ya think.
 
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Well to get the perfect liver, you must tie the duck upside down and force feed it a special kibble so that liver swells and is surrounded with fat. Sounds delicious don't ya think.
fatty liver doesn't sound appetizing.
 
Feb 17, 2013
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I prefer chicken livers myself. However, you can expect to pay 25 bucks for one of them there duck livers.
 
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I prefer chicken livers myself. However, you can expect to pay 25 bucks for one of them there duck livers.
chicken lives with milk gravy..... now we're cooking with peanut oil!
 
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Okay, now you're making me hungry. Stop it. I'm on a diet the one where you eat and eat and still lose weight.
 
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Oneness is one of the worst heresies I've seen, and it denies common sense.

ROFLMBO and the TRINTY is understandable???? Nobody can fully explain the Trinity, the definition of the Trinity is totally absurd ---three Gods are ONE God --yet Trinitarians say they ONLY believe in ONE God. 1God+1GOD+1GOD=1GOD??? UM?? Trinitarian addition is totally useless.
 

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has been out of this convo for a few hours.....(has a life) and now I'm lost at where everyone stands....***sigh***
There will never be agreement on the Trinity.

There are three things that are essential to life, water, hydrogen, and oxygen and these three are one.
 
Feb 17, 2013
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Cisco, Glad to meet you. How can you deny the trinity. Can you tell me who Jesus prayed to seeing that He is God in the flesh. Why did He tell the disciples to tarry in Jerusalem till you receive the Holy Ghost. Why did God in Genesis say let US make man in our image. In case Pneumonia is watching can you do it dogmatically and without inference.
 
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PS, yes we can separate those things. Done it many times in a lab. But, you cannot separate the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.