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God is THREE persons, yet ONE divine being.???????
So , according to this statement the addition should add up like this--1God+ 1God+ 1God=1 God??? It makes no sense.
I've never found in the scriptures, evidence of THREE SEPERATE PERSONS.
I don't recall Jesus ever being referred to as "God the Son" or the Holy Ghost being called "God the Holy Ghost".
I do recall scriptures giving reference to Jesus being "sent" by the Father.
I recall Jesus saying the power he had and the words he spoke--came from the Father.
Jesus said he did the Fathers "bidding" ---so it doesn't sound like the Father and Jesus "shared the same "authority.
I understand Jesus was made in the "image" of God--but since God is a spirit and has no flesh or bones--it males or should make a person start asking questions instead of supposing this or that.
So , according to this statement the addition should add up like this--1God+ 1God+ 1God=1 God??? It makes no sense.
I've never found in the scriptures, evidence of THREE SEPERATE PERSONS.
I don't recall Jesus ever being referred to as "God the Son" or the Holy Ghost being called "God the Holy Ghost".
I do recall scriptures giving reference to Jesus being "sent" by the Father.
I recall Jesus saying the power he had and the words he spoke--came from the Father.
Jesus said he did the Fathers "bidding" ---so it doesn't sound like the Father and Jesus "shared the same "authority.
I understand Jesus was made in the "image" of God--but since God is a spirit and has no flesh or bones--it males or should make a person start asking questions instead of supposing this or that.
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you realise what Jesus left to become a man and stay that way as long as we know.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Genesis 1 and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3 in 1. You have a mind a body and a spirit. The atom has neutrons, protons and electrons. The computer you are typing on and the house that you are in were built with 3 things. Wisdom, knowledge and prudence.
He is God in three persons, the blessed trinity. Together they are love.[/FONT]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you realise what Jesus left to become a man and stay that way as long as we know.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Genesis 1 and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3 in 1. You have a mind a body and a spirit. The atom has neutrons, protons and electrons. The computer you are typing on and the house that you are in were built with 3 things. Wisdom, knowledge and prudence.
He is God in three persons, the blessed trinity. Together they are love.[/FONT]
Nice shuck and jive. I haven't made any dogmatic statements yet. I've been responding to yours and other Trinitarians who have, and have condescended to me and other non-Trinitarians of various sorts.
I most certainly can support my position with a lengthy and thorough exegesis without inference. But you haven't even come close to an initial attempt at doing so to support your adamant assertions.
I'm quite content to reveal the omissions of misunderstanding that ALL historical views share, and to reconcile them all to the central truth of scripture. But when Trinitarians start bloviating about everything and everyone else being wrong when they can't even exegetically support their own conceptual version of their doctrine from scripture, I start tightening the screws.
You haven't even bothered to provide the authoritative English definitions of "person/s" and "being", and specifically contrasted them. And I doubt you'll ever address the Greek text. So all you have a general sense of attempted deduction and inference derived from what you've been told and taught. There's so much truth in Trinity, you can't see the error.
I'd think that of all things, it would be obvious I could likely back up my criticisms by providing the truth in response to what I've challenged. Why do you overestimate yourself and your doctrine? You've provided the least content with the vaguest inference I think I've ever encountered for the Trinity position.
I've outlined your simple steps, but you've avoided them and started questioning me instead of answering any of the very simple and basic questions I've asked. Why is that? Why can't your doctrine be literally provided from scripture?
The further problem is that I affirm all the major tenets of Trinity doctrine, so all the criticisms and arguments against other competing views are irrelevant and ineffectual. I affirm that F/S/HS are all distinct, all eternal, all uncreated, and all subsistence Deity.
But you present a God who couldn't and didn't create ALL. A God too impotent to create ALL isn't much of a God. But you won't know what I mean by that because Trinity is just one of many perspectives that shares three omitted central truths represented in scripture. Trinity is no more or less right or wrong than any of the others.
So go ahead and tell me what "person/s" and "being" are by definition, and then go on from there. I await the literal scriptural exegetical support for your conceptual doctrine.
I most certainly can support my position with a lengthy and thorough exegesis without inference. But you haven't even come close to an initial attempt at doing so to support your adamant assertions.
I'm quite content to reveal the omissions of misunderstanding that ALL historical views share, and to reconcile them all to the central truth of scripture. But when Trinitarians start bloviating about everything and everyone else being wrong when they can't even exegetically support their own conceptual version of their doctrine from scripture, I start tightening the screws.
You haven't even bothered to provide the authoritative English definitions of "person/s" and "being", and specifically contrasted them. And I doubt you'll ever address the Greek text. So all you have a general sense of attempted deduction and inference derived from what you've been told and taught. There's so much truth in Trinity, you can't see the error.
I'd think that of all things, it would be obvious I could likely back up my criticisms by providing the truth in response to what I've challenged. Why do you overestimate yourself and your doctrine? You've provided the least content with the vaguest inference I think I've ever encountered for the Trinity position.
I've outlined your simple steps, but you've avoided them and started questioning me instead of answering any of the very simple and basic questions I've asked. Why is that? Why can't your doctrine be literally provided from scripture?
The further problem is that I affirm all the major tenets of Trinity doctrine, so all the criticisms and arguments against other competing views are irrelevant and ineffectual. I affirm that F/S/HS are all distinct, all eternal, all uncreated, and all subsistence Deity.
But you present a God who couldn't and didn't create ALL. A God too impotent to create ALL isn't much of a God. But you won't know what I mean by that because Trinity is just one of many perspectives that shares three omitted central truths represented in scripture. Trinity is no more or less right or wrong than any of the others.
So go ahead and tell me what "person/s" and "being" are by definition, and then go on from there. I await the literal scriptural exegetical support for your conceptual doctrine.
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What's so difficult?
God breathed life into us, but we had to choose Him (after He first chose us) to get abundant LIFE ! All men have breath, the 'breath of life,' but ONLY men (and women) who become His become NO LONGER LIVE BUT CHRIST LIVES IN THEM ! And, if that doesn't just coogle your coggle to know, then, you must be dead ! God is living in you, you in Him, ONCE you accept Him, and, who does Scripture say is in us, the HOly Spirit, right? So, IS God in us, or, is the HOly Spirit in us. BOTH ! BEcause they are BOTH God.
And, do I really need to explain Jesus to you? He is 'God in the flesh,' Scripture says that, not me. He is God with us, Emmanuel, right. And, Emmanuel refers to who? Jesus One, two, three DIFFERENT manifestations of Himself, and, 'Himself' is God. Why can't God manifest Himself all over, why can't He, He is GOD ! LOL, Yeah, He can do it, NOTHING is impossible for God, with God, by God period And, the HOly Spirit helps (reveals) to us this truth, through Him who was God in the flesh, Jesus, on Earth, who shows us the way, the truth, and, the life.
Seems so simple, why complicate things But, I know, the Lord works in His timing for us all and I just pray that through the revelation He gives you in Scripture, as you pray, you will see the truth of God being One, Not Two, and, certainly not, Three. One. He's a doppleganger, ahhhhh !! I'm being cute, but, also, that is the truth, God is the ONLY one who has the power of a doppleganger.
God breathed life into us, but we had to choose Him (after He first chose us) to get abundant LIFE ! All men have breath, the 'breath of life,' but ONLY men (and women) who become His become NO LONGER LIVE BUT CHRIST LIVES IN THEM ! And, if that doesn't just coogle your coggle to know, then, you must be dead ! God is living in you, you in Him, ONCE you accept Him, and, who does Scripture say is in us, the HOly Spirit, right? So, IS God in us, or, is the HOly Spirit in us. BOTH ! BEcause they are BOTH God.
And, do I really need to explain Jesus to you? He is 'God in the flesh,' Scripture says that, not me. He is God with us, Emmanuel, right. And, Emmanuel refers to who? Jesus One, two, three DIFFERENT manifestations of Himself, and, 'Himself' is God. Why can't God manifest Himself all over, why can't He, He is GOD ! LOL, Yeah, He can do it, NOTHING is impossible for God, with God, by God period And, the HOly Spirit helps (reveals) to us this truth, through Him who was God in the flesh, Jesus, on Earth, who shows us the way, the truth, and, the life. Seems so simple, why complicate things
But, I know, the Lord works in His timing for us all and I just pray that through the revelation He gives you in Scripture, as you pray, you will see the truth of God being One, Not Two, and, certainly not, Three. One. He's a doppleganger, ahhhhh !! I'm being cute, but, also, that is the truth, God is the ONLY one who has the power of a doppleganger. I think you might be right, by definition there can only be one God and I think everyone accepts that. We are told God appears as fire, wind, a dove, a thunderous voice and as a man and I think we need to accept that infinite God is greater than man's finite mind.
I hope church was good this morning.
I hope church was good this morning.
Okay Pnuema, a response. But, is your stand that the trinity is false. If so then, you are denying the deity of Christ. I speak and will always speak as a laymen. Greek or hebrew, if you deny the trinity, you deny the deity of Christ, or at least you place him subordinate to the Father.
Jesus said before Moses was "I AM". Yet, He prayed to the Father, and was baptised in The Holy Spirit.
Jesus said before Moses was "I AM". Yet, He prayed to the Father, and was baptised in The Holy Spirit.
Christ is the Greek name for the Jewish Messiah. As for the Trinity thing, I use to thought it did not really matter. I looked at it, examined it, thought about it, and came to the conclusion that the Trinity concept makes sense that God is in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are connected to each other, it is as one person said 1*1*1=1 and also that water comes in three forms, steam, liquid water, and gas. Those are forms of water (h20) but they are in different states. God is spirit, as far as I know I did not say anyone saying that was not true here. The term Trinity, basically means three-in-one, in unity and diversity. God is united but he is also diverse. But again if you don't see it, let God reveal it to you. God bless.