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Your post here was because of this;
Originally Posted by HisHolly
Bible says it will be written on their hearts. Those who don't know the law.. HS is so often left out of many posts on this site.. Everything can be known by paying attention to Him.. We aren't orphans
We today are in a very privileged place in history, we have a cannon of scripture, the Ethiopians have one, nearly the same as ours but it includes the first book of Enoch. The references to this are all through the NT in the writings of Peter and Jude to name but two. But, who do you think made everything? can not He who made all and keeps all by His will, through whom was everything created, do you think that He is unable to guide anyone to his table?
Are you trying to tell me that the logic we humans have is all there is, and if we can't understand things then they are not so?
Have you met with Jesus? This question is not only to you but to everyone, have you met with Jesus? Have you been in the presence of the "first and the last", meeting Jesus is more than life. We can read all about Him from the scriptures we have, we can get to understand Him and know everything He did as it is written down, but to meet the author, to not know of Him but to know Him.
Yes He can teach us, He said he would. If anyone reading this has not met Jesus then make it your life's goal to do so, you will never regret it. The cost is high, hence the parables of the hidden treasure in a field or the pearl of great price, but it is worth every penny, and human understanding goes out the window for there is so much more than we have in scriptuer, and everything is backed up and underwritten in the scriptures. Jesus is truly a wonderful councelor, He will lead you through any problem and bring it to a conclusion that gives glory to God. Go meet him for yourself, don't take my word for it, do it. What have you got to loose. Why stay bottle fed when you can sit with Him and Father and eat the meat of the word and drink to your fill of the one true living fountain. This is without price.
Bible says it will be written on their hearts. Those who don't know the law.. HS is so often left out of many posts on this site.. Everything can be known by paying attention to Him.. We aren't orphans
Are you trying to tell me that the logic we humans have is all there is, and if we can't understand things then they are not so?
Have you met with Jesus? This question is not only to you but to everyone, have you met with Jesus? Have you been in the presence of the "first and the last", meeting Jesus is more than life. We can read all about Him from the scriptures we have, we can get to understand Him and know everything He did as it is written down, but to meet the author, to not know of Him but to know Him.
Yes He can teach us, He said he would. If anyone reading this has not met Jesus then make it your life's goal to do so, you will never regret it. The cost is high, hence the parables of the hidden treasure in a field or the pearl of great price, but it is worth every penny, and human understanding goes out the window for there is so much more than we have in scriptuer, and everything is backed up and underwritten in the scriptures. Jesus is truly a wonderful councelor, He will lead you through any problem and bring it to a conclusion that gives glory to God. Go meet him for yourself, don't take my word for it, do it. What have you got to loose. Why stay bottle fed when you can sit with Him and Father and eat the meat of the word and drink to your fill of the one true living fountain. This is without price.
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Do you not read on a daily basis? have you not read the voyages of Paul as he went round? No I am not going to give you chapter and verse, do your homework and look and read. Read Acts and see where paul went, see where he stayed for weeks or years, sometimes even only days.
If those who profess to follow Christ do not know, I am not going to tell. Trim your own wick and supply your own oil, you will have none of mine or I might not have enough.
If those who profess to follow Christ do not know, I am not going to tell. Trim your own wick and supply your own oil, you will have none of mine or I might not have enough.
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We are not servants of Paul, but if you read his words you will find they come with warnings. He does not put emphasis on them but they are there. More than this Paul emboldens the Church and gives focus to Jesus and the relationship we have with Him, which when we hold to gives rise to Spiritual growth which is Paul's aim.
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So close and yet so far, have you not read what Paul says about the Jewish understanding? Again I am not going to tell you where to look and give chapter and verse, but Paul even would loose his own salvation for the Jews to come to a knowledge of Jesus. The Jews have suffered because of their rejection of Jesus. All the curses written down within the OT have been poured out on their heads. and the purpose is for Jealousy. Try reading the bible if that's all you have and stop reading other peoples interpretation, or even better go to the author.
I will say this, I am going through this post slowly and methodically, I am astonished, so far and I am only on #17, and the lack of bible knowledge is so prevalent in posts. The OT was all the first church had. The OT is wonderful to read with the leading of the Holy Spirit. All the NT is supported by its words, and every writer of the NT quotes from it.
I do truly believe we are in the last days, It is nearly midnight, the call is here and now, the bridegroom is coming, so trim your wicks, and make ready the oil you have and if you don't have any go and buy it, but be quick when he gets here the door will be shut.
I will say this, I am going through this post slowly and methodically, I am astonished, so far and I am only on #17, and the lack of bible knowledge is so prevalent in posts. The OT was all the first church had. The OT is wonderful to read with the leading of the Holy Spirit. All the NT is supported by its words, and every writer of the NT quotes from it.
I do truly believe we are in the last days, It is nearly midnight, the call is here and now, the bridegroom is coming, so trim your wicks, and make ready the oil you have and if you don't have any go and buy it, but be quick when he gets here the door will be shut.
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Ahhh...maybe. I was beginning to wonder if I couldn't speel "unfaithful" ( some pun or fun intended with speel )....
To have the letter and not the spirit is not good. Do you Grace777 remember every word you read? when asked about something, would you quote verbatim or would you give an interpretation? An interpretation would suffice if all parties knew the source, but you make fun.
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Now your getting it, so where is the problem here? You agreed with me.
Do we have to separate between salvation and sanctification? or even make a distinction? With Jesus leading do we not have both? would walking through and by the Spirit of God not be part of what a relationship with Jesus and his leading in our lives mean?
Do we have to separate between salvation and sanctification? or even make a distinction? With Jesus leading do we not have both? would walking through and by the Spirit of God not be part of what a relationship with Jesus and his leading in our lives mean?
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"Getting the Christ character right" What does that sound like to you? and my bit of humour or call it mockery if you will, A "Capon" is a small chicken. I wonder what his character was like? Never heard of the man or woman, which book is theirs in scripture? and yes I am getting annoyed with all this rubbish. If you can't quote from Jesus words, eg the whole of scripture, then don't quote.
And apart fro magenta's post, from #23 to #37 has no bearing on my op. You have filled up this thread with twaddle and useless discussion which hides the purpose of the op. I am done with this and gone.
And apart fro magenta's post, from #23 to #37 has no bearing on my op. You have filled up this thread with twaddle and useless discussion which hides the purpose of the op. I am done with this and gone.
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At least we have a discussion, YAY! I used the parables of the servants especially because they were servants, Yes I know we are children of God, and heirs through faith, into the promises given to Abraham Isaac and Israel. But even in this parable of the 'Prodigal' although he was alive he was counted as dead. The prodigals father counted him as dead. We can not ignore this. And yet He was received back and had a robe put on him, he was clothed in righteousness, and he had a ring put on his finger, the ring signifies 'authority', everything the father had belonged to his other son, but this prodigal who was counted as dead, was given a covering and the authority of his father.
If the prodigal son had not made the decision he did and had gotten himself killed before he had made his choice to return, he would have died being already dead to the Father.
I have seen your posts PennEd, you are a lateral thinker and you have some spiritual wisdom. I also agree with Paul when He wrote that he was convinced that ;
Before this though in the same chapter Paul was encouraging the Church to live right in Gods eyes and in v 13 ;
There are if's and but's here PennEd. and Paul wrote of the warnings and instead of emphasising them he wrote of the power of Christ to conform our mortality/flesh to His Spirituality, thus giving edification to the Church at Rome who were under persecution leading to death.
If the prodigal son had not made the decision he did and had gotten himself killed before he had made his choice to return, he would have died being already dead to the Father.
I have seen your posts PennEd, you are a lateral thinker and you have some spiritual wisdom. I also agree with Paul when He wrote that he was convinced that ;
Before this though in the same chapter Paul was encouraging the Church to live right in Gods eyes and in v 13 ;
There are if's and but's here PennEd. and Paul wrote of the warnings and instead of emphasising them he wrote of the power of Christ to conform our mortality/flesh to His Spirituality, thus giving edification to the Church at Rome who were under persecution leading to death.
The fact that the latter man in this parable is called wicked and slothful and an unprofitable servant (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness, certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results are not truly converted.
This man's characterization of the master maligns him as, "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This slothful so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it is obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.
The fact that this man is called a servant does not mean necessarily that he is saved. Israel (the Jews) are the Lord's witnesses and His servant whom He has chosen, but they were not all saved (Isaiah 43:10) The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (vs. 15).
The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (vs. 27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground. The third servant had been given abilities and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance with salvation, but had chosen to reject it.
This man's characterization of the master maligns him as, "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This slothful so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it is obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness.
The fact that this man is called a servant does not mean necessarily that he is saved. Israel (the Jews) are the Lord's witnesses and His servant whom He has chosen, but they were not all saved (Isaiah 43:10) The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (vs. 15).
The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (vs. 27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground. The third servant had been given abilities and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance with salvation, but had chosen to reject it.
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reading your responses backwards, but my point was that there is a difference between the Old Covenant where people are servants only, in contrast of the new convenant where we are called children of the most high King. That the parable you refer to should be examined in a deeper level with that eternal perspective in mind.
***if you believe that people only respond to argue and contradict you or have "issues" with what you say, I can leave your thread now.
I had the mistaken impression you actually wanted to have a conversation.
***if you believe that people only respond to argue and contradict you or have "issues" with what you say, I can leave your thread now.
I had the mistaken impression you actually wanted to have a conversation.