Pentecostal/charismatic Discussion/light debate thread
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There are different kinds of gifts but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. (1 Cor. 12:4-5)
Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms. (1 Pet. 4:10)
Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. (Romans 12:4-6a)
Although opinions differ on the actual number of spiritual gifts, God's Word clearly indicates a variety of gifts. You will find twenty different Greek words used for the gifts listed in the key passages on spiritual gifting. Herein you will find definitions for those possibilities.
Also Read:
You will also find an additional listing of five possible gifts not found in the key spiritual gifting passages. In the scripture references listed by those gifts the context of the verses includes the same original language for spiritual gifts used in the key passages. This spiritual gifts list is limited to the possibilities listed in the key gifts passages and those that are suggested by context.
[h=2]List of Spiritual Gift Possibilities in Key Bible Passages[/h]Click on the name of a gift in these lists for its definition or simply keep scrolling down. The gifts in italics are repeated in one of the other passages.
Romans 12
exhortation
giving
leadership
mercy
prophecy
service
teaching
1 Corinthians 12
administration
apostle
discernment
faith
healings
helps
knowledge
miracles
prophecy
teaching
tongues
tongues interpretation
wisdom
Ephesians 4
apostle
evangelism
pastor
prophecy
teaching
Misc. Passages
celibacy
hospitality
martyrdom
missionary
voluntary poverty
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Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms. (1 Pet. 4:10)
Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. (Romans 12:4-6a)
Although opinions differ on the actual number of spiritual gifts, God's Word clearly indicates a variety of gifts. You will find twenty different Greek words used for the gifts listed in the key passages on spiritual gifting. Herein you will find definitions for those possibilities.
Also Read:
You will also find an additional listing of five possible gifts not found in the key spiritual gifting passages. In the scripture references listed by those gifts the context of the verses includes the same original language for spiritual gifts used in the key passages. This spiritual gifts list is limited to the possibilities listed in the key gifts passages and those that are suggested by context.
[h=2]List of Spiritual Gift Possibilities in Key Bible Passages[/h]Click on the name of a gift in these lists for its definition or simply keep scrolling down. The gifts in italics are repeated in one of the other passages.
Romans 12
exhortation
giving
leadership
mercy
prophecy
service
teaching
1 Corinthians 12
administration
apostle
discernment
faith
healings
helps
knowledge
miracles
prophecy
teaching
tongues
tongues interpretation
wisdom
Ephesians 4
apostle
evangelism
pastor
prophecy
teaching
Misc. Passages
celibacy
hospitality
martyrdom
missionary
voluntary poverty
Reasource mintools.com
Hornet guy- I believe we are seeing the miracles as they did in His day, in the gospels we see the highlights, we don't see the mundane parts. When it relates how "they went to Capernum" of such there is no trivial writing of how one of the say, broke a strap on their sandal and they all waited while he fixed it. I am sure you have the gift of a prayer language, I don't the why of
it not being apparent and used. I know when I use mine He responds immediately in my spirit. It seems to be a "let go and let G-d" thing for me. One doesn't have to "try harder", from my vantage point, His yoke is easy, His burden is light.
blessings
it not being apparent and used. I know when I use mine He responds immediately in my spirit. It seems to be a "let go and let G-d" thing for me. One doesn't have to "try harder", from my vantage point, His yoke is easy, His burden is light.
blessings
We all have gifts not using them is disobediance to our father his mission to all of us is to go out into nations preform healing and use the gifts to edify and strengthens people faith we are fishers of men and in jesus name we cast out spirits sometimes it just s hug to someone homeless or an Addict that’s nearly suicidle god put people in your path so you can have an impact and give his word which is love and healing restoring hope in peoples lives every now and then if god wills it you get a supernatural healing.
I see a lot of scripture tossed back and forth here, but to be honest with you I don't see any real results.
Over the past several years I have personally invited at least a dozen people who claim to have the gift of healing to spend the evening with me at the nearby mental health hospital. Not one would join me.
I also invited one to the bedside of a 50 year old cousin who had an inoperable brain tumor. He told me to bring her to him.
God healed this wonderful woman about a week later. He took a wonderful woman of God home to be with him.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
Jesus told us to go and make disciples. If we are doing this, the Holy Spirit will give you the gifts that you need, when you need them.
Over the past several years I have personally invited at least a dozen people who claim to have the gift of healing to spend the evening with me at the nearby mental health hospital. Not one would join me.
I also invited one to the bedside of a 50 year old cousin who had an inoperable brain tumor. He told me to bring her to him.
God healed this wonderful woman about a week later. He took a wonderful woman of God home to be with him.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
Jesus told us to go and make disciples. If we are doing this, the Holy Spirit will give you the gifts that you need, when you need them.
Any one wants to go on the YouTube site and pick out a video that represent what any of you are talking about in action?
Those for tongues for today can best show a video of how it is done in your church or record & post it on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/
Those for tongues for today can best show a video of how it is done in your church or record & post it on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/
I find it almost hilarious that those with nearly no experience with Spiritual Gifts and the Pentecostal movement feel the most qualified to judge and condemn it.
BTW, running out of a messed up church does NOT qualify a person to judge and condemn a movement they were never a true partaker of in the first place.
BTW, running out of a messed up church does NOT qualify a person to judge and condemn a movement they were never a true partaker of in the first place.
Matthew 13: 53When Jesus had finished these parables, He departed from there. 54He came to His hometown and began teaching them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? 55“Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?56“And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.” 58And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.
It's not fair to ask for a demonstration of a spiritual gift while contributing unbelief to purposely hinder it.
It's not fair to ask for a demonstration of a spiritual gift while contributing unbelief to purposely hinder it.
That would be assuming that the dividing between that person supposedly doing the mocking and the person mocked was the person doing the mocking first.
Is it not mocking a believer who did not receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign of tongues? Is it not saying to them that they are missing something in their lives that they are not complete in Christ Jesus after all? And by doing so, is that not intentionally mocking the Holy Spirit as received at their salvation as promised by faith in Jesus Christ as if He has not been doing anything in their lives since they had been saved?
I do not consider that as blaspheming the Holy Spirit , but I do call that hypocrisy by that standard which you judge by. You guys do not hear yourselves in how provocative you are when you preach another calling and a tongue that does not come with interpretation as gained by that other calling.
Scriptures has warned me not to go after that other calling, but remain resting in Christ Jesus as filled & thus saved, and having received Jesus Christ, I trust Him as my Good Shepherd to help me walk in Him, rooted in the word from those that would wrest it to leave my resting place in Him to chase after other gods for a sign... even for a sign of tongues.
I thank Him that I serve the Lord Jesus Christ & nothing else in His name thereby being His disciples in seeking His glory alone for it is by the Son, I glorify God the Father at the same time.
Is it not mocking a believer who did not receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign of tongues? Is it not saying to them that they are missing something in their lives that they are not complete in Christ Jesus after all? And by doing so, is that not intentionally mocking the Holy Spirit as received at their salvation as promised by faith in Jesus Christ as if He has not been doing anything in their lives since they had been saved?
I do not consider that as blaspheming the Holy Spirit , but I do call that hypocrisy by that standard which you judge by. You guys do not hear yourselves in how provocative you are when you preach another calling and a tongue that does not come with interpretation as gained by that other calling.
Scriptures has warned me not to go after that other calling, but remain resting in Christ Jesus as filled & thus saved, and having received Jesus Christ, I trust Him as my Good Shepherd to help me walk in Him, rooted in the word from those that would wrest it to leave my resting place in Him to chase after other gods for a sign... even for a sign of tongues.
I thank Him that I serve the Lord Jesus Christ & nothing else in His name thereby being His disciples in seeking His glory alone for it is by the Son, I glorify God the Father at the same time.
There are several ways to approach a discussion:
1) Don't confuse me with facts, I just want to sound off.
2) I know what I think, so you can't possibly teach me anything new. If I can't persuade you I'll try to impress the people reading.
3) I'll present my thoughts, You present yours and one or both of us might learn something.
I don't think that will change much; but we can choose whose posts we answer.
1) Don't confuse me with facts, I just want to sound off.
2) I know what I think, so you can't possibly teach me anything new. If I can't persuade you I'll try to impress the people reading.
3) I'll present my thoughts, You present yours and one or both of us might learn something.
I don't think that will change much; but we can choose whose posts we answer.