Pentecostal/charismatic Discussion/light debate thread

[Ugly]

One thing I say is that my denomination is very lax on tongues and aren't all to strict. Meaning speak in tongues, even on the mic, all you want and no one will complain. However I've heard several times this one lady who is a singer, sing a song, then when filled with he spirit starts singing the same song in tongues. There is no translation yet we assume that she is singing the same lyrics but in a different tongue. What do you think about that?

Speaking tongues without interpretation, in front of others, goes directly against the bible. Many modern Christians over-emphasize speaking in tongues, even to the point of contradicting the bible.

 

[Splagna]

What the AG post as their official position is not necessarily practiced in individual churches. My last AG church was teaching Bill Johnson's book "God is Good". It is a regurgitated Latter Rain/Dominionism condemned by the AG, but as long as the church sends in their dues the denomination leaders don't care.

I don't agree with your perception of the AG. Yes, individual churches may wander from AG positions, but to say the denomination leaders turn a blind eye to doctrines condemned by the AG is simply not the case. If an AG church gets out of line, and the district finds out about it, heads will roll (figuratively speaking of course). And if the district doesn't take care of it, Springfield would.

I'm not currently in the AG, but I have relatives that are pastors and another that works with credentialing of pastors. Listening to their stories, I'm amazed how easy it is for a wayward pastor to loose his credentials. Since I'm not attending an AG church due to doctrinal differences, I don't particularly have an ax to grind out side of the fact that I have a tremendous respect for the AG.

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't agree with your perception of the AG. Yes, individual churches may wander from AG positions, but to say the denomination leaders turn a blind eye to doctrines condemned by the AG is simply not the case. If an AG church gets out of line, and the district finds out about it, heads will roll (figuratively speaking of course). And if the district doesn't take care of it, Springfield would.

I'm not currently in the AG, but I have relatives that are pastors and another that works with credentialing of pastors. Listening to their stories, I'm amazed how easy it is for a wayward pastor to loose his credentials. Since I'm not attending an AG church due to doctrinal differences, I don't particularly have an ax to grind out side of the fact that I have a tremendous respect for the AG.

I would agree with what you said. I have several family members/friends that are or have been pastors in the AG. We ousted a pastor from a church we attended because he was teaching a doctrine the church does not approve,among other things. The district was behind us all the way.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I don't agree with your perception of the AG. Yes, individual churches may wander from AG positions, but to say the denomination leaders turn a blind eye to doctrines condemned by the AG is simply not the case. If an AG church gets out of line, and the district finds out about it, heads will roll (figuratively speaking of course). And if the district doesn't take care of it, Springfield would.

I'm not currently in the AG, but I have relatives that are pastors and another that works with credentialing of pastors. Listening to their stories, I'm amazed how easy it is for a wayward pastor to loose his credentials. Since I'm not attending an AG church due to doctrinal differences, I don't particularly have an ax to grind out side of the fact that I have a tremendous respect for the AG.

I called the district office which handles doctrinal issues and left a message that I had a doctrinal concern in my church. I left my name, ph, email, church and city where I attended. They never got back to me. What does that tell you?

 

[oldethennew]

maybe they don't believe you or simply don't care, so neither should you...
sit under Jesus Christ...

 

[CS1]

What the AG post as their official position is not necessarily practiced in individual churches. My last AG church was teaching Bill Johnson's book "God is Good". It is a regurgitated Latter Rain/Dominionism condemned by the AG, but as long as the church sends in their dues the denomination leaders don't care.

That is not correct.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

That is not correct.

It is true. I called my AOG State office which handles doctrinal purity and left a message as to the nature of my concern and my contact info. They never got back to me. I also found an NAR blog of people with similar complaints of their AOG church and the Denomination not doing anything about NAR teachings.

 

[CS1]

It is true. I called my AOG State office which handles doctrinal purity and left a message as to the nature of my concern and my contact info. They never got back to me. I also found an NAR blog of people with similar complaints of their AOG church and the Denomination not doing anything about NAR teachings.

first let me say that I made a mistake in context being respectful . I was wrong in my comment to you. You show up as another invidual who I will not mention. That invidual was disrespectful and was not you. I want to say that here so all can see it.

CS1,

 

[CS1]

It is true. I called my AOG State office which handles doctrinal purity and left a message as to the nature of my concern and my contact info. They never got back to me. I also found an NAR blog of people with similar complaints of their AOG church and the Denomination not doing anything about NAR teachings.

Now, as far as aog church of your State office, I would like to know what State? That should not be hard to provide .
Thank you,

 

[Socreta93]

Speaking tongues without interpretation, in front of others, goes directly against the bible. Many modern Christians over-emphasize speaking in tongues, even to the point of contradicting the bible.

Problem is too many get carried away. I've seen preachers or even members in our congregation when they speak in tongues , they do it privately and make sure the mic is away. My pastor has said many times, you can speak the most beautiful tongues, doesn't mean you're going to heaven.

 

[Socreta93]

My pastor has reminded us many times, and others have as well that we shouldn't get emotion and anointing confused. When you see a preacher screaming, running jumping, that's emotion, charisma and just a character trait. That doesn't mean the more you jump, the more anointed you are. So they are not faking the Holy Spirit or God's anointing, but that the culture and character traits.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Now, as far as aog church of your State office, I would like to know what State? That should not be hard to provide .
Thank you,

FL. It was a year ago. I attend a Calvary Chapel church now. I went through my AOG church in FL back in the 90's which turned into a Brownsville circus. I didn't want to see that happen again. But God knows I tried. That's all that matters.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

first let me say that I made a mistake in context being respectful . I was wrong in my comment to you. You show up as another invidual who I will not mention. That invidual was disrespectful and was not you. I want to say that here so all can see it.

CS1,

Thanks. I thought you were just another attacker instead of wanting a discussion.

 

[CS1]

Thanks. I thought you were just another attacker instead of wanting a discussion.

No as a mod I try not to do that

 

[oldethennew]

if you really LOVE Jesus, this is the 'tell'...always...

 

[Angela53510]

I don't agree with your perception of the AG. Yes, individual churches may wander from AG positions, but to say the denomination leaders turn a blind eye to doctrines condemned by the AG is simply not the case. If an AG church gets out of line, and the district finds out about it, heads will roll (figuratively speaking of course). And if the district doesn't take care of it, Springfield would.

I'm not currently in the AG, but I have relatives that are pastors and another that works with credentialing of pastors. Listening to their stories, I'm amazed how easy it is for a wayward pastor to loose his credentials. Since I'm not attending an AG church due to doctrinal differences, I don't particularly have an ax to grind out side of the fact that I have a tremendous respect for the AG.

In Canada, the PAOC is the sister to AG. We have an ordained PAOC pastor, who is currently leading a campus ministry which the PAOC supports. He attends our Baptist church, because his wife has attended there since she was born, and in fact, she was the head of the elder board the last 2 years.

He cannot be a member of our church, or they will yank his creditials. He is allowed to attend, even preach on occasion, but he cannot be a member, which he does not like. The PAOC thinks the doctrinal differences are too large for him to actively commit to our church as a full member., and they said they will yank his ordination if he becomes a member. He loves our church, we are pretty open, but I have to agree with the PAOC that if he is ordained by them, and believes as they do, it is a vast gap in some areas. Now, we have the same Christiology, our worship is actually similar, but we do not speak in tongues. We are “mildly Calvinistic,” whatever that means, and PAOC is Arminian.

For me the biggest issue, is that the PAOC has it right in their doctrinal statement that anyone not believing in a pre-trib premillennial rapture, is a “heretic.” We were researching doctrinal statements in seminary, and I never knew that the whole time I attended that church, except we went to another Pentecostal Denomination for 2 years, and when we moved, and changed churches, we told people where we had formerly attended. People always asked why we had gone to a church with “heretics?” Of course, I knew nothing of eschatology one way or another in those days, but as one of my fellow seminary students said, how can you call someone a heretic based on an educated guess that hasn’t happened yet?