Perfection, Holyness, Purity.

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God's perfection prevents Him from falling into sin, or departing from righteousness even unawares. His perfection makes every one of his acts work for the good of those who love him and who call on His name - no room for divine ignorance. His perfection leaves no room for noble desire gone awry. His perfection leaves no room even for minor errors, like an unintentionally misspelled word. Are you claiming that kind of perfection for yourself, Cobus?
 
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God's perfection prevents Him from falling into sin, or departing from righteousness even unawares. His perfection makes every one of his acts work for the good of those who love him and who call on His name - no room for divine ignorance. His perfection leaves no room for noble desire gone awry. His perfection leaves no room even for minor errors, like an unintentionally misspelled word. Are you claiming that kind of perfection for yourself, Cobus?
Cobus is so perfect that his sweat taste like honey.
 
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Kerry

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not to mention that sweat is part of the curse of fallen man and honey is bumble bee regurgitation.
 
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put that on your biscuit.
 
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God's perfection prevents Him from falling into sin, or departing from righteousness even unawares. His perfection makes every one of his acts work for the good of those who love him and who call on His name - no room for divine ignorance. His perfection leaves no room for noble desire gone awry. His perfection leaves no room even for minor errors, like an unintentionally misspelled word. Are you claiming that kind of perfection for yourself, Cobus?
God promised it I believe it and I hope He stands with His promises as HE so readely did thus far... My friend the EXACT same perfection Jesus had... that is what I believe! Why? Because that is what the Bible teaches... Does HE (God) teach of ANY other condition or salvation..... NOPE. Why am I in the very huge minority, in this belief? Iknow why. God said the false teachers will come A PLENTY, and MANY will follow them.... I also used too, until I read the Bible then I understood... The people go astray for a lack of knowledge... You CANNOT fool the Truth seekers... They FIND God in the WORD OF GOD...

So do I calim this ULTIAMTE perfection? CALIM is a strong word, do I hope and believe that.... ABSOLUTELY.. with all my heart soul and spirit.... And I think God said... SEEK AND THOU SHALL FIND... Blessed are the ones that hunger and thirst for righteousness, THEY SAHLL BE FILLED... I hunger and thirst for rightoeusness,, I guess I shall be filled...


My friend the MOMENT God implante Christ Jesus in me, I will be COMPLETE... Perfect! That is what God does... that is why he says... Be perfect as Father is, and the ones that ARE righteous is righteous as HE IS... We have a POWERFUL God he realey does this WITH EVERY CHILD OF HIS...
 
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Tdrew i am only on the SAINT stage of salvation... Not perfect yet... Still only a Saint... Eph 4:11 to 13 says a saint need to be perfected still... I only did this part...
1 Joh 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
As you can see I do have hope to be a child of God.
 
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Lord bless Kerry and herosefromthedead. I love them and reckon not these words to their account. Amen!
 

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From what i learn from Cobus is that we have absolutely NO EXCUSE to sin.
When we say that we are weak, the LORD is strong in us through HIS Spirit, all we need to do is to just draw unto HIM and HE will give us strength to overcome sin. Consider this, those moments that we spend time with the LORD, doing the things of GOD through HIS Holy Spirit. do we sin? do we think about Sin? Do we want to sin? We only think of HIS presence, and just rest IN HIM. ie the closer we get to GOD the further we go from sin.

Again We can make mistakes, but not sin. but what i know is that when AM IN HIM, AND MY CUP IS RUNNING OVER all i think about and feel about is GODLY and then is the secret found, that IN HIM there is no SINNING, but when we tackle temptations and trials outside HIS PRESENCE we will sin.

the flesh is weak but the spirit is willing, and its not by strength nor might but BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

A prayerful, Word reading, Evangelizing, obedient Christian who close to the Holy Spirit, can HE sin? can HE sin when GODS word remains in HIM? Can HE sin if HE asks the LORD on EVERYTHING? Can HE sin when HE and GOD are thick and thin?

we should all stop compromising and making excuses, because if the LORDS COMING IS LIKE A THIEF, What if HE comes when you are thinking of doing a particular sin.. and when you speak about unknown sin, why not read the Word of GOD to know what is sin, and what is NOT!!.

God bless YOU ALL
 
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From what i learn from Cobus is that we have absolutely NO EXCUSE to sin.
When we say that we are weak, the LORD is strong in us through HIS Spirit, all we need to do is to just draw unto HIM and HE will give us strength to overcome sin. Consider this, those moments that we spend time with the LORD, doing the things of GOD through HIS Holy Spirit. do we sin? do we think about Sin? Do we want to sin? We only think of HIS presence, and just rest IN HIM. ie the closer we get to GOD the further we go from sin.

Again We can make mistakes, but not sin. but what i know is that when AM IN HIM, AND MY CUP IS RUNNING OVER all i think about and feel about is GODLY and then is the secret found, that IN HIM there is no SINNING, but when we tackle temptations and trials outside HIS PRESENCE we will sin.

the flesh is weak but the spirit is willing, and its not by strength nor might but BY HIS HOLY SPIRIT.

A prayerful, Word reading, Evangelizing, obedient Christian who close to the Holy Spirit, can HE sin? can HE sin when GODS word remains in HIM? Can HE sin if HE asks the LORD on EVERYTHING? Can HE sin when HE and GOD are thick and thin?

we should all stop compromising and making excuses, because if the LORDS COMING IS LIKE A THIEF, What if HE comes when you are thinking of doing a particular sin.. and when you speak about unknown sin, why not read the Word of GOD to know what is sin, and what is NOT!!.

God bless YOU ALL

You need to learn from the bible not Cobus

We can never stop sin in thoughts

Was not david a man after Gods own heart hmmmmm just a thought
 
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[h=3]Zechariah 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.
6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
 
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tdrew777

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Cobus is so perfect that his sweat taste like honey.
Cobus believes some things similar to what some GREAT SAINTS have believed - like John Wesley. Your attitude in this post - not so great.
 
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Cobus believes some things similar to what some GREAT SAINTS have believed - like John Wesley. Your attitude in this post - not so great.
Did Wesley believe:

  • there is no need for continual cleansing, as it was done once and never needs to be repeated again.
  • his flesh was sinless, i.e., that he no longer had a sinful old nature
  • the old nature becomes a new nature at some mysterious threshold of obedience

These are things that Cobus believes.
 
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tdrew777

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Tdrew i am only on the SAINT stage of salvation... Not perfect yet... Still only a Saint... Eph 4:11 to 13 says a saint need to be perfected still... I only did this part...
1 Joh 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
As you can see I do have hope to be a child of God.
You can not hope to be a child of God for the same reason that Barak Obama can not hope to be President of the USA - you already are one. Hope must be contrary to present circumstances - or it is not hope. The verses you quoted were directed to those who are already children of God.

I Jn 2:28-3:3 And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

We have the hope of righteousness, the hope of being perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect.
On the one hand, you agree that you do not possess perfection yet. You do not want to be judged for your spelling errors. Presumably, you would not want to be judged whenever you act from your corrupt birth nature, which is still alive and being crucified in you (else you would not be making spelling errors AND WORSE), instead of the perfect, regenerated nature that is ALSO alive in you (else you would have NO RIGHT TO BE CALLED A SAINT - HOLY ONE). Perfection is the standard. God has not lowered the standard. He raised us up to it IN HOPE.

Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

You and I have this in common with John Wesley - we have a HOPE of holiness. But our hope is not a probability - it is a sure thing. A hope that anchors our soul (our thoughts and emotions can not drift too far before they wind on the anchor, they circle back). God is just when he declares us innocent - there is no sin in us, consequences of which have not been paid in full. GOd is just when he calls us holy - we do have, right now, an incorruptible nature that can not sin. And we do have a sanctification problem - described over and over in scripture
Putting off the old nature, putting on the new.
Walking in the spirit instead of in the flesh.
Presenting our members as slaves to God instead of as slaves to sin
Our righteousness is not a matter of obedience. Just as we can not be saved by obedience, NEITHER CAN WE BE SANCTIFIED BY OBEDIENCE. Obedience is not a strategy, it is an outcome. We re not saved by the Law. We will not be sanctified by the law, but by grace through faith.

We need to "reckon", to "Consider" to "present ourselves" to remember who we are.

Eph 1:16-19 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might.

If we remember who we are as a result of the atonement of Christ, we will live according to our regenerated character and will not be capable of sin. If we forget who we are, we will live according to our birth character and will not be capable of pleasing God. This is the struggle of sanctification. It is correct, from a point of view, to say we can not sin. We need to forget who we are in order to be capable of sin. But we are capable of forgetting who we are. Otherwise, there would be no misspellings, intentional or otherwise.



God has judged, and atoned for the sin of the world. There will be no second payment demanded. But bad character produces bad works. Those who slip into eternity with their birth character will produce bad works and be judged for the works of their hands. Those who have a regenerated character
 
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Need to mention: 1. The last paragraph was in draft and should have been erased (or at least completed). It belonged in the middle, but drifted to the end as I wrote and I forgot about it. The next to the last paragraph is the conclusion.
2. The incorruptible nature that is in us is Christ Himself in us. That is why it can not sin. That is why it is true to say that God does not see us with our own righteousness, but rather the righteousness of Christ.
3. When the old nature is finally done away with (when it is no longer in the process of daily being crucified), Christ dwelling in us will produce a righteousness that is fully "ours" in a sense that temporal righteousness is never "ours".
 
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Cobus, stand up for what you believe in, until the Holy Spirit shows you something else in scripture. I admire your persistence. I disagree with your position.
 
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Isdaniel, herosefromthedead, mydear friends, you are VERY close to become Saints as well. IF God unlocks this Scripture for you today, you will lay down the LIE and the DECIET you believed for so long....

Let God's Word speak to your hearts. READ this and BELIEVE this...If is NOT you that stop sinning, it is the NEW HEART THAT GOD GIVES YOU THAT STOP SINNING... that sinning heart of you that can sin GOD REMOVES FROM YOU.

I know yo uteach and believe that YOU GIVE YOUR HEART TO GOD... but that is the lie... GOD TAKES IT, AND HE GIVES YOU HIS HEART.... NOt the other way around. There is no ONE man in the Bible that GAVE A HEART TO GOD, GOD GIVES THEM HIS HEART....

Here is how it works.. The moment we sin for the fist time in our lives, our hearts are STONY HEARTS.... And the ONLY thing a stoney heart can do is sin. God cannot and never does modify a stoney heart. Please get this, you do not give your stoney heart to God HE TAKES IT, and HE BURNS IT TO DUST. That stoney heart is GONE FOREVER... God says He will NEVER even think of that heart again.... Please get this,, that heart is GONE, DEAD, AND NEVER will live again.

Then God says, He will give us a heart of flesh. HIS HEART in OUR FLESH, this new heart is a heart that CANNOT sin. like the stoney heart could not be made holy, so the NEW HEART OF FLESH cannot be made UNHOLY... This heart of God CAN ONLY DO GOD'S WORKS. This heart is untouchable for the wicket... This heart is Holy and CANNOT SIN... And then this is not even the end of God's Work on us...

Now that the FLESH is made obedient only for God's Heart of FLESH (not Stone) God wakes up the flesh altogether with HIS SPIRIT. This is the thoughts, the actions, the Words, the works, the WHOLE LIFE OF GOD FOR MAN.... Look at the NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST....

The old flesh that sinned, is DEAD! God's Spirit quickens that flesh to ONLY DO WHAT THE NEW HEART AND SPIRIT WANTS IT TO DO.... WHAT does God Spirit want to do? The Holy Spirit does what God wants done... The Holy Spirit is GOD! God does in that flesh HE put Himslef in, do what HE WANTS IT TO DO. The heart of GOd is in that flesh, the Spirit of God is in that flesh. The THOUGHTS and WORDS and WORKS of God is in that flesh? There is the OLD COBUS?.... Gone with the other spirit and heart that USED TO BE IN THE OLD FLESH... Even the FLESH is made NEW. God says no person put NEW WINE in OLD BAGS..

Our flesh is the old BAGS, so God even make the BAG NEW, and then HE PUTS HIS NEW WINE.. the NEW HEART AND NEW SPIRIT, in our NEW FLESH.

Now read teh Scripture that says all of the above...

Ezek 36....A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

2 Cor 5:17...Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Luke 5:37..And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

Romans 8:11... But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

LORD PLEASE REVEAL YOUR TRUTH TO KERRY, ISDANIEL AND HEROSE, AMEN!
 
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Tdrew, the only one that CAN derail me from the WAY of GOD is God Himslef, and HE WILL NEVER DO THAT.
I know where I stand, because GOD PUT ME THERE.... I did not write 1 John 3 I only believe that Scripture, and even that FAITH in that Scripture is from God, not my own.

Read this, I believe it EXACTLY as it is written, and this is what God gave me to believe. God gave me a heart that will NEVER no believe this SCRIPTURE...
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I have this hope to be as He is when He shall appear (BIG MYSTERY OF THE FAITH).... Only the CHILDREN OF GOD WILL BE AS HE IS, BECAUSE THEY WERE MADE AS HE IS BY THE SEED HE PLANTED IN THEM, AND THEY ARE AS HE IS IN THIS PRESENT WORLD FOR HE APPEARED UNTO THEM AT REBIRTH FROM GOD......
 
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Nothing in this post is inconsistent with what I posted previously. AMEN!

Tdrew, the only one that CAN derail me from the WAY of GOD is God Himslef, and HE WILL NEVER DO THAT.
I know where I stand, because GOD PUT ME THERE.... I did not write 1 John 3 I only believe that Scripture, and even that FAITH in that Scripture is from God, not my own.

Read this, I believe it EXACTLY as it is written, and this is what God gave me to believe. God gave me a heart that will NEVER no believe this SCRIPTURE...
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I have this hope to be as He is when He shall appear (BIG MYSTERY OF THE FAITH).... Only the CHILDREN OF GOD WILL BE AS HE IS, BECAUSE THEY WERE MADE AS HE IS BY THE SEED HE PLANTED IN THEM, AND THEY ARE AS HE IS IN THIS PRESENT WORLD FOR HE APPEARED UNTO THEM AT REBIRTH FROM GOD......
You call yourself a saint presently. "Holy One". So does God!
You make spelling errors - and worse errors.
Conclusion: you have a dual nature.