Peter, The First Pope?
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Matthew 7:15-20: “....You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
It does seem strange between then and now, even between our Lord and the same
In the one (then)
Mat 21:5
Tell ye the daughter of Sion,
Behold, thy King cometh unto thee,
meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
In the other (now)
Behold thy pope cometh unto thee
seated in an armored vehicle with three inches of bullet proof glass
What if Peter gets the keys to the Kingdom and these other fella's got the keys to these bullet proof cruisers (which they are free to pass those keys onto their chauffeur's)
In the one (then)
Mat 21:5
Tell ye the daughter of Sion,
Behold, thy King cometh unto thee,
meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
In the other (now)
Behold thy pope cometh unto thee
seated in an armored vehicle with three inches of bullet proof glass
What if Peter gets the keys to the Kingdom and these other fella's got the keys to these bullet proof cruisers (which they are free to pass those keys onto their chauffeur's)
The one I instantly thought of was....
Matthew 8:20: "And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.”
Meanwhile the pope lives like a king in his palace
T
Actually, if I remember my church history correctly tradition has it that Peter was actually crucified in Rome by the emperor Nero.
This should not be construed as an actual fact though since it not a verifiable fact.
Even if it is true it still proves absolutely nothing with respect to the Catholic doctrine of papal apostolic succession with respect to Peter.
This should not be construed as an actual fact though since it not a verifiable fact.
Even if it is true it still proves absolutely nothing with respect to the Catholic doctrine of papal apostolic succession with respect to Peter.
The Catholics today have by their doctrines made Mary to be equal with God.
God can hear and answer our Prayers. They also claim Mary can hear and answer our Prayers.
Jesus was born without sin. The Catholics teach Mary was also born without sin.
Jesus rose into Heaven. The Catholics teach Mary was assumed into Heaven.
Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. The Catholics teach Mary is also sitting at the right hand of God.
Its through Jesus we receive Salvation. The Catholics teach its through Mary and Jesus we receive our Salvation.
Do you see how the Catholics have made Mary equal to God!
God can hear and answer our Prayers. They also claim Mary can hear and answer our Prayers.
Jesus was born without sin. The Catholics teach Mary was also born without sin.
Jesus rose into Heaven. The Catholics teach Mary was assumed into Heaven.
Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God. The Catholics teach Mary is also sitting at the right hand of God.
Its through Jesus we receive Salvation. The Catholics teach its through Mary and Jesus we receive our Salvation.
Do you see how the Catholics have made Mary equal to God!
R
The Real Mary in heaven was converted like every sinner on the day of Pentecost in the upper room, ( Acts Chapter 1) Then Read Peter's entire message at that first Christian Service. Mary even admitted she was a sinner like all of us when she told her cousin Elizabeth in Luke 1 verses 46-47: Mary stated.."My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my Spirit has rejoiced in GOD MY SAVIOR". Only sinners need to be saved..Amen.
The Catholic Church elevated to co-creator, Mother of us all, Queen of heaven, the very same title given to the Pagan queen "Mother" Which was called "Ashtoreth" in Israel, Diana in Ephesian beleifs, Venus in Rome, etc, etc. All of this actually began in Ancient Babylon with Semarasis the Queen of Babylon, and spread to other cultures.
The Catholic Church elevated to co-creator, Mother of us all, Queen of heaven, the very same title given to the Pagan queen "Mother" Which was called "Ashtoreth" in Israel, Diana in Ephesian beleifs, Venus in Rome, etc, etc. All of this actually began in Ancient Babylon with Semarasis the Queen of Babylon, and spread to other cultures.
Clearly the scriptures prove how anti biblical the teachings of Catholicism are. So no doubts about that.
In response to what you said about Peter possibly being in Rome, I can only trust what the scriptures say.....
Galatians 2:7-8: "...But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles)"
Paul's mission was to preach the gospel to the gentiles, while Peter was to preach the gospel to the Jews. (Gentiles/uncircumcised, Jews/circumcised) Peter was never the head of any church and definitely not of any gentile church.
Clearly this confirms Peter was not in Rome and shoots down the belief of apostolic succession from Peter, which is the very foundation that the Catholic church is built upon.
There's a scripture somewhere that speaks of a man that was trying to buy the gifts of the Holy Spirit from the apostles... and I recall reading that he in fact became the first "pope" of the Catholic church, that apparently it's his body that is buried under the Vatican (not Peter's).... but I'll need to find the scripture and my notes on that.
Peter actually died in Jerusalem. They even found his gravestone there.
1 Peter 5:1-4: "The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; and when the Chief Shepherd (Jesus) appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away" - Jesus is the chief shepherd. Peter is on an equal level with other elders in the church, as overseers. He is a fellow elder, nothing more. They all have work to do for the church.
R
The Chapter and Verses you are looking, for regarding trying to buy the power of the Holy Ghost was a man called Simon in Acts 8 verses 16-23. Something overlooked by a lot of people is what did Simon witness when it tells in verse 17, that the Holy Ghost fell upon them. It was the fact those who received the Holy Ghost were speaking in Tongues, and Simon thought he could buy that power. That is why Peter rebuked him.
We're supposed to trust in scripture. All opinions that don't agree must be rejected.
The charcoal inscription reads: "Shimon Bar Yonah" which means "Simon [Peter] son of Jonah".
Mat 16:17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven
It is very improbable that a name with three words, and one so complete, could refer to any other than Peter.
The charcoal inscription reads: "Shimon Bar Yonah" which means "Simon [Peter] son of Jonah".
Mat 16:17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven
It is very improbable that a name with three words, and one so complete, could refer to any other than Peter.
R
I grew up a Catholic. Educated in Parochial Schools, Baptized, Confirmed, Altar Boy speaking in Latin the responses from the priest.
I'm the Only one in my Family God had mercy on to call me out, I got converted IN 1987. I have been a Missionary to a Dominant Catholic Nation, and learned from reading the KJV what a hoax this Church is. God was merciful unto me to send me a Born Again Child of God who became my wife, and she never begged me to come to Church..God talked to me one day..and I know it had to be God, because Satan is'nt going to tell anyone in a strong clear voice "Go to That Church Tonight"!...Twice in 5 minutes!!
They were having a Revival with a visiting Evangelist, I surrendered after I heard his message...no more drinking...Smoking..Cursing..Being stupid in various ways...BOOM...gone all of it. God is good dear people!!
I'm the Only one in my Family God had mercy on to call me out, I got converted IN 1987. I have been a Missionary to a Dominant Catholic Nation, and learned from reading the KJV what a hoax this Church is. God was merciful unto me to send me a Born Again Child of God who became my wife, and she never begged me to come to Church..God talked to me one day..and I know it had to be God, because Satan is'nt going to tell anyone in a strong clear voice "Go to That Church Tonight"!...Twice in 5 minutes!!
They were having a Revival with a visiting Evangelist, I surrendered after I heard his message...no more drinking...Smoking..Cursing..Being stupid in various ways...BOOM...gone all of it. God is good dear people!!