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Meaning of Daniyl 7:25

  • Daniyl 7:25 is not talking about Sabbath/Feasts but I dont know what it istalking about

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There is absolutely no scripture that tells us to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. The closest thing to it is scripture telling us not to judge the people who keep either day, but we are told not to judge people in other verses, too. It is just that this scripture mentions one thing not to use for judging other people.

In order to find some scripture to uphold it, they say scripture says Christ arose on Sunday, yet scripture only says they found that he rose that day, it doesn't say that is when he arose. By following all of scripture it is most likely that Christ rose at sunset on the Sabbath.

Some list that Christ is our rest to use to say not to honor the Sabbath. That says Christ is our rest, it is not an instruction to not honor Sabbath.

However, there is much in scripture about the Sabbath, and how we are to think of it and to honor it.
 
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In order to find some scripture to uphold it, they say scripture says Christ arose on Sunday, yet scripture only says they found that he rose that day, it doesn't say that is when he arose.

By following all of scripture it is most likely that Christ rose at sunset on the Sabbath.
this is unbelievable that people do this. so Jesus is walking around with no record of what he is doing or why he rose at sunset on the sabbath, but nothing was discovered including the ROLLED AWAY STONE for hours and hours. no explanation other than your religious POSTERING.

there's a reason unbelieving jews fastidiously keep sabbath. any idea what that is? UNBELIEF. no rest.
 

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this is unbelievable that people do this. so Jesus is walking around with no record of what he is doing or why he rose at sunset on the sabbath, but nothing was discovered including the ROLLED AWAY STONE for hours and hours. no explanation other than your religious POSTERING.

there's a reason unbelieving jews fastidiously keep sabbath. any idea what that is? UNBELIEF. no rest.


This is the EXPLANATION...and it is not religious postering....

Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mat 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
Mat 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
 
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This is the EXPLANATION...and it is not religious postering....

Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mat 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
Mat 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
hello?
the day of preparation.
they talked about jesus as he lay DEAD.

comprende?
 

Hizikyah

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This is the EXPLANATION...and it is not religious postering....

Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Mat 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Mat 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mat 27:65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
Mat 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
hello?
the day of preparation.
they talked about jesus as he lay DEAD.

comprende?
that followed the day of the preparation
 

Hizikyah

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Im still waiting for people that believe Sabbath has been rightfully changed (in any way) to honestly break down Daniyl 7:25 with its meaning....

If I am wrong prove it to me with the text, not by ignoring it.
 

Hizikyah

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I have a question for all that say Sabbath is now for any reason not the 7th day of the week, that it should not be physically kept, or if you believe there has been any change in it in any way since Messiah kept it:

please tell me what this verse is then, because without a explanation other than what I believe I can not think Sabbath has been changed. (ps Sabbath has not been changed, but for being open I ask this)

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"

2166 zeman
zeman: time
Original Word: ?????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zeman
Phonetic Spelling: (zem-awn')
Short Definition: time

2166 zeman
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

2166 zeman
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

5732 iddan
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

5732 iddan
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year


Daniyl 7 is written in Aramaic, yet "zeman" is the Aramaic parallel of "moed", showing this for understand, and 7th day Sabbath is listed in Leviticus 23.

Leviticus 23:2, "Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them, 'The set feasts of Yahweh, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my set feasts.""

4150. moed - appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting

4150. moed
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):—appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

4150. moed
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) appointed place, appointed time, meeting
1a) appointed time
1a1) appointed time (general)
1a2) sacred season, set feast, appointed season
1b) appointed meeting
1c) appointed place
1d) appointed sign or signal
1e) tent of meeting
P.S

2166 zeman is a Aramaic word, Daniyl 2:38 to 7 is written is Aramaic.


4150. moed is a Hebrew word and is the equivalent. (both carry the same meaning)
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Ariel82

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remember its written, Christ is our Sabbath . He's our rest forever. That is a lot of time right there.
i agree our Sabbath is found in Christ. This thread will become an attempt to convert people into keeping sat as their Sabbath with outdated laws from the old covenant. However they will not address why they no longer offer animal sacrifice. If they do admit Christ has done away with that law they will not admit that Christ has done away with other physical reminders of the Sabbath as well. That you should be in Christ daily and find your rest in Him. Just as you should pray without ceasing. ...but people say that can't be done either. ..leaving thread now.
 

Hizikyah

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Any that disagree please give an explanation for Daniyl 7:25?
 
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Earlier this year, I asked The LORD, why are we to keep just 9 out of Your 10 commandments? So I got the same answer that my brother used to give me when we were kids and I'd ask him what a word meant. He said, "Look it up."

So, I typed in Sabbath in the Bible Search and found out that it was just a day of rest - with The LORD.

Then I hear on the radio that these secular bio-scientist discovered through their research, that the human body functions best with 1 day out of 7 for resting.

I posted this before - but I looked at the radio and said, you just spent a ton of money researching what a free Bible could have told you.

Resting with The LORD is a wonderful thing and in the book of Acts, it did stay on Saturday - but some of us have occupations, like medical, police, military, etc that cannot get off on Saturdays and that's where I think The LORD is saying to not hold us to any one certain day - but to rest and keep one day a week as separated with The LORD. I love having a day of rest. They were even told to not cook! I'm all for that part too. :rolleyes:

That's why He said that the Sabbath was made 'for' man and not man for the Sabbath. He rested on that one day and He knew that "the human body functions best with one day out of seven in resting." No problem and no problem spending any day With Him.

My body tells me when that day is going to be and it's sweet to be home with Him. It's no more "THE LAW" then "thou shalt not steal" or "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not commit adultery" or "thou shalt have no other god before Me" ... and Jesus even asked one guy to keep the commandments - which I believe were those 10 ... for our own well being as well as those that tell us to honor Him.

Why fight a day of rest? Or why fight over a day of rest? Or why not read Romans 14 and have peace?

I didn't vote, btw... because I don't know what times & laws that anti-Christ will change. I've mentioned that they're thinking of changing our calendar and we know that the beast will surely change all laws. Time will tell.
 
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Daniel 7 continues into Daniel 8 which is a clear prophecy of Jesus birth and crucifixion. ..in the same manner it talks about that time...change of time from B.C. to A.D. now no one uses the correct calendar or names for the days but God does not condemn us for speaking in terms the world understands. Nor does He want us to keep shadows.. if you want to truly discuss I will stay. If you just want to preach dogma. I will pass.
 

Hizikyah

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Daniel 7 continues into Daniel 8 which is a clear prophecy of Jesus birth and crucifixion. ..in the same manner it talks about that time...change of time from B.C. to A.D. now no one uses the correct calendar or names for the days but God does not condemn us for speaking in terms the world understands. Nor does He want us to keep shadows.. if you want to truly discuss I will stay. If you just want to preach dogma. I will pass.
Daniyl 7:25

Note the first "time" and "time" second are different words

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"


2166 zeman
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

2166 zeman
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

5732 iddan
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

5732 iddan
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year
 

Hizikyah

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Daniyl 7:25

Note the first "time" and "time" second are different words

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"


2166 zeman
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

2166 zeman
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

5732 iddan
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

5732 iddan
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year
The word iddian is calendar time

The word zeman is aramaic to the hebrew moadim... or appointed time
 
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Ariel82

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I will answer you with the Bible:
Colossians 2:15-17New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

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It seems pretty clear to me. We should rest one day out of seven and thank God for it. Which day people chose to do that is between them and God.

here is another scripture verse:


Romans 14:3-8 New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[SUP][a][/SUP] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.




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Do you condemn those who do not share your beliefs and keep the Saturday Sabbath or the Old Covenant feasts?

If you do, then you condemn yourself for you do not see the plank in your own eye.

If you want to keep the feasts and dietary laws you can. The Bible allows it. God says we are not to make people who do (which Paul calls a weak brother) to stumble because of their little faith.
 
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[h=1]Romans 14 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] 14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.

In the same manner those who need to be built up in faith might be moved by God to keep the Sabbath as documented in the Old testament, but they are not to judge those who do not. They may even only eat veggies if God so leads them.

Those who understand the New Covenant and strong in their faith are to receive our brothers and sisters who are weak and not dispute over doubtful things (Daniel 7 might be classified at this because though it seems clear to me, some might not believe until God reveals it to them.)

We are to accept that God asks us to do and be different people with different roles to play in this world. It does not help anyone to see Christians biting and tearing each other over things that God says is not important under the New covenant.
 

Hizikyah

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I still ask for Daniyl 7:25... but here goes

Colossians 2 is frequently used as a witness against Sabbath and Feast days, I will give my stance on this passage from the start:

Colossians 2:13-23, " 13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day, 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Messiah’s. 18 Let no one rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshiping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding firmly to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and ligaments, grows with God’s growth. 20 If you died with Messiah from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to ordinances, 21 “Don’t handle, nor taste, nor touch” 22 (all of which perish with use), according to the precepts and doctrines of men? 23 Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren’t of any value against the indulgence of the flesh. "

Feasts that Yahweh says should be kept for all generations are promoted in the NT:

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast (1858), not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

1858 - heortazo
heortazo: I keep a feast
Original Word: ἑορτάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: heortazo
Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo)
Short Definition: I keep a feast
Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast
keep the feast - see GREEK heorte
From heorte; to observe a festival -- keep the feast

1859 - heorté
heorté: a feast, a festival
Original Word: ἑορτή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: heorté
Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tay')
Short Definition: a festival, feast
Definition: a festival, feast, periodically recurring.
Word Origin - of uncertain derivation
Definition - a feast, a festival

Acts 18:21, "But bade them farewell, saying; I must by all means keep this Feast (word #G1859) that comes in Yerusalem; but I will return again to you, if Yahweh wills. And he sailed from Ephesus."

Acts 20:16, "For Shaul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he hurried, so it would be possible for him to celebrate the Day of Pentecost (word#H4005) at Yerusalem."

4005 - pentékosté
pentékosté: fiftieth, Pentecost, the second of the three great Jewish feasts
Original Word: πεντηκοστή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pentékosté
Phonetic Spelling: (pen-tay-kos-tay')
Short Definition: Pentecost
Definition: Pentecost, a feast of the Jews, the fiftieth day after Passover

Leviticus 23:2, "Speak to the children of Israyl, and say to them; Concerning the Feasts of Yahweh, which you shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations; these are My Feasts."

Most resources call the ,"Jewish" Feasts, but Yahweh calls them His Feasts, they are not for Jews only.

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who asojourns with you."

Acts 27:9, "Since much time had passed, and the voyage was already dangerous because The Fast (word #G3521), had already gone by, Shaul warned them,"

3521 - nésteia
nésteia: fasting, a fast
Original Word: νηστεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: nésteia
Phonetic Spelling: (nace-ti'-ah)
Short Definition: fasting, the day of atonement
Definition: fasting, the day of atonement

13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;

15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no one therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day,

17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Messiah’s.

18 Let no one rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshiping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19 and not holding firmly to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and ligaments, grows with God’s growth.

20 If you died with Messiah from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to ordinances,

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Yahweh"s/Yahshua's Commandments would make no sense, but he explains it further.

21 “Don’t handle, nor taste, nor touch”

the pharisees had a law in which you could not eat meat and cheese togather, or even within 4 houhs of eachother. Now this is not in Yahweh's Law even, Yahweh's Law says dont boil a goat in its mothers milk (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice Yahweh did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture and enforced it as from Yahweh.

22 (all of which perish with use), according to the precepts and doctrines of men?

So here very clearly he states "the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you, so we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is ant commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23 Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren’t of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Pleasing of the pharisees by following the talmud. v22 for context = "after the commands and teachings of men"

you see the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to Yahweh's instruction and not their ORAL LAW, this is shown in MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc

If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked
Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."
"And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, such as Rosh hashanna and more. They also had their own day and way of "celebrating" Yahweh's Feast Days as opposed to what Yahweh said. When they left babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year, commandment and ordinances of men. the calendar Yahweh instuted is Yahweh's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth. Our current calendar is the gregorian calendar, which goes back to the bablonian calendar. Yahweh said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis."

% made up "feast days" the Pharisees may had, brought you to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring. The Talmud tells a story of another "Rabbi" disagreeing and wanting to follow the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees makes then man, on threat of death appear in public on a Scriptual Feast Day in a way that the man cant honor Yahweh, thus commanding him to disobey Yahweh.

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, Yahweh's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and Yahweh;s calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6

1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet (word #G4536). For the trumpet will sound (word #G4537), and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, "For Yahshua Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the malak gadol, and with the trumpet (word #G4536) of Yahweh. And the dead in Messiah will be raised first, Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet Yahshua in the air; and so will we ever be with Yahshua."

4536 - salpigx
salpigx: a trumpet
Original Word: σάλπιγξ, ιγγος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: salpigx
Phonetic Spelling: (sal'-pinx)
Short Definition: a trumpet
Definition: a trumpet, the sound of a trumpet
Word Origin - from salpizó
Definition - a trumpet

4537 - salpizó
salpizó: to sound a trumpet
Original Word: σαλπίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: salpizó
Phonetic Spelling: (sal-pid'-zo)
Short Definition: I sound a trumpet
Definition: I sound a trumpet.
Word Origin - of uncertain origin
Definition - to sound a trumpet

Genesis 1:14, "And Yahweh said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark the Feasts (word #H4150) , and for days (word #H3117) and years."

Leviticus 23:4, "These are the Feasts (word #H4150) of Yahweh, His Holy Convocations, which you shall proclaim in their seasons."

4150 - moed
moed: appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: מוֹעֵד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting
Word Origin - from yaad
Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting

3117 - yom
yom: day
Original Word: יוֹם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: yom
Phonetic Spelling: (yome)
Short Definition: day
 

Hizikyah

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Do you condemn those who do not share your beliefs and keep the Saturday Sabbath or the Old Covenant feasts?

If you do, then you condemn yourself for you do not see the plank in your own eye.

If you want to keep the feasts and dietary laws you can. The Bible allows it. God says we are not to make people who do (which Paul calls a weak brother) to stumble because of their little faith.
I have never condemed anyone. No does my mind even operate in that manner.

DO I promote connection to Yahweh? YES. The way He says.

Do I sin, yes. Do I give myself a pass? No.

I stand ready to be judged by the Creator, as I know He judges justly, I pray for mercy, and I thank Yahweh for Yahshua.

I believe the big disconnect is people do not understand who "Paul" was.

He knew the firs 5 books by heart, he could recite them.

His education was of a higher level than 99%.

One must understand what Yahweh and Yahshua say before one gets in Paul. I know Paul has "the full message" many say...

There is only one prophecy that says "I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"
 
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Ariel82

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I stop reading after this incorrect statement. It is clear you do not know what the LEAVEN Jesus is speaking about.

Stop for a moment and compare these verses:

Feasts that Yahweh says should be kept for all generations are promoted in the NT:

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast (1858), not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
Matthew 16
[h=3][/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]Now when His disciples had come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “It is because we have taken no bread.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Jesus, being aware of it, said to them, “O you of little faith, why do you reason among yourselves because you have brought no bread?[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you not yet understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how many large baskets you took up? [SUP]11 [/SUP]How is it you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread?—but to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

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So you can see the LEAVEN Jesus speaks about is NOT bread or anything physical and the verse clearly calls it out as "malice and wickedness" which is found in the heart.

The keeping of the OLD TESTAMENT Feasts are not being promoted by 1 Corinthians 5. It speaks against hyprocrisy and mixing that in with God's truth and gospel. It points to the Spiritual keeping of the feast, not the physical. though you can still keep the physical if you chose. it just is not a requirement for keeping the New Covenant.

***Note that some people are still deceived by the doctrines of the Pharisees and Saducees. Which doctrines did these very strict Jewish people have that Jesus warned against?

They strictly held the Sabbath and all the feast but they did not understand the SPIRITUAL meaning behind any of it. I hope and pray that those who insist that others keep both Sat. Sabbath and OT feast in Modern times have not mixed in their leaven. I really hope they understand the New Covenant and do not still have the veil over their eyes as the Jews did who did not believe in Jesus.
 

Hizikyah

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I stop reading after this incorrect statement. It is clear you do not know what the LEAVEN Jesus is speaking about.

Stop for a moment and compare these verses:



Matthew 16
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now when His disciples had come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “It is because we have taken no bread.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But Jesus, being aware of it, said to them, “O you of little faith, why do you reason among yourselves because you have brought no bread?[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you not yet understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how many large baskets you took up? [SUP]11 [/SUP]How is it you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread?—but to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

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So you can see the LEAVEN Jesus speaks about is NOT bread or anything physical and the verse clearly calls it out as "malice and wickedness" which is found in the heart.

The keeping of the OLD TESTAMENT Feasts are not being promoted by 1 Corinthians 5. It speaks against hyprocrisy and mixing that in with God's truth and gospel. It points to the Spiritual keeping of the feast, not the physical. though you can still keep the physical if you chose. it just is not a requirement for keeping the New Covenant.

***Note that some people are still deceived by the doctrines of the Pharisees and Saducees. Which doctrines did these very strict Jewish people have that Jesus warned against?

They strictly held the Sabbath and all the feast but they did not understand the SPIRITUAL meaning behind any of it. I hope and pray that those who insist that others keep both Sat. Sabbath and OT feast in Modern times have not mixed in their leaven. I really hope they understand the New Covenant and do not still have the veil over their eyes as the Jews did who did not believe in Jesus.
Do you not understand

1 all the feasts have not yet been fulfilled

2 all the feasts are physical tools for spiritual training

The moadim of Yahweh are amazing, not only are they all the laid out plan of the Messiah but the are called

"appointed times"

Set times for us to celebrate Yahweh!
 

Hizikyah

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Aug 25, 2013
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They strictly held the Sabbath and all the feast but they did not understand the SPIRITUAL meaning behind any of it. I hope and pray that those who insist that others keep both Sat. Sabbath and OT feast in Modern times have not mixed in their leaven. I really hope they understand the New Covenant and do not still have the veil over their eyes as the Jews did who did not believe in Jesus.
You know the pharisees had changed the entire religion, completely making the Law of no effect, including what days these feasts were to be celebrated?

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Their problem was not that they kept the Feasts so so good.

The problem was they did not want anything to do with Yahweh, His Law, His Feast days, or His Messiah.

The Feast days area celebration of the Messiah.

Where did Easter and Christmas come from? (and please do not use Paul to say thats ok now)