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Hizikyah, you are reading things into the fourth commandment which are not there.
"Saturday" is not in this text. "Sabbath," originally, had no time or septenary significance. All it identified is one day in seven.
Saturday, in the modern calendar, cannot be traced, in a cycle of sevens, back to the first Sabbath in Genesis.
Neither Constantine, or a Pope changed that which was observed since the time of the apostles. The edict of Constantine merely gave official recognition to the day observed by Christians since the time of the apostles. And that day was, "...the first day of the week" (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). "Week," in these verses, is Sabbaton (Strong's #4521). Young's Literal Translation give the meaning of "tes mias sabbaton." It reads: "And early in the morning of the first of Sabbaths." The above eight references tell us that this was the day that the apostolic church met to break bread, (i.e., to hold their common assembly). The writings of the church fathers say the same. Among them are Ignatius, Barnabas, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian and others. By this time days were known by name, and the name applied to the above day, "the first of Sabbaths," was "Sunday," it is so stated in their writings. Whether or not this was a change is irrelevant to the fact that this day, "the first day of the week (sabbatons)" was, in apostolic times, the only Sabbath remaining (Heb. 4:9). And yes, it was, as the fourth commandment requires, one day in a cycle of sevens. And yes, this first, this chief of Sabbaths, is also called, in scripture "the Lords day." So the bottom line is, if "the first day of the week (sabbatons)" was the result of a change to Sunday from some other day, this change was legitimate. This is why the vast majority of Christians, from the time of the apostles to the present observe Sunday as applicable to the fourth commandment and the New Covenant.
"Saturday" is not in this text. "Sabbath," originally, had no time or septenary significance. All it identified is one day in seven.
Saturday, in the modern calendar, cannot be traced, in a cycle of sevens, back to the first Sabbath in Genesis.
Neither Constantine, or a Pope changed that which was observed since the time of the apostles. The edict of Constantine merely gave official recognition to the day observed by Christians since the time of the apostles. And that day was, "...the first day of the week" (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). "Week," in these verses, is Sabbaton (Strong's #4521). Young's Literal Translation give the meaning of "tes mias sabbaton." It reads: "And early in the morning of the first of Sabbaths." The above eight references tell us that this was the day that the apostolic church met to break bread, (i.e., to hold their common assembly). The writings of the church fathers say the same. Among them are Ignatius, Barnabas, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian and others. By this time days were known by name, and the name applied to the above day, "the first of Sabbaths," was "Sunday," it is so stated in their writings. Whether or not this was a change is irrelevant to the fact that this day, "the first day of the week (sabbatons)" was, in apostolic times, the only Sabbath remaining (Heb. 4:9). And yes, it was, as the fourth commandment requires, one day in a cycle of sevens. And yes, this first, this chief of Sabbaths, is also called, in scripture "the Lords day." So the bottom line is, if "the first day of the week (sabbatons)" was the result of a change to Sunday from some other day, this change was legitimate. This is why the vast majority of Christians, from the time of the apostles to the present observe Sunday as applicable to the fourth commandment and the New Covenant.
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Exodus 20:8-10, "Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, But the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of Yahweh your Heavenly Father. In it you shall do no work..."
So you said: "the day observed by Christians since the time of the apostles. And that day was, "...the first day of the week" (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). "Week," in these verses, is Sabbaton"
You use Matt 28:1 as an example.
Matt 28:1 -
New International Version
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
English Standard Version
Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
New American Standard Bible
Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
King James Bible
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
The first day of the week is the day after Sabbath.
It does not get any clearer.
So you said: "the day observed by Christians since the time of the apostles. And that day was, "...the first day of the week" (Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). "Week," in these verses, is Sabbaton"
You use Matt 28:1 as an example.
Matt 28:1 -
New International Version
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
English Standard Version
Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
New American Standard Bible
Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
King James Bible
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
The first day of the week is the day after Sabbath.
It does not get any clearer.
I want to honour you trying to get back on topic, so I'll make this my last post on this topic, and then I won't follow it up anymore.
No one has any credibility unless they cite sources. That's my point - I wouldn't even trust an historian saying stuff unless they indicated where there proof was coming (although historians should no better). Compton's doesn't go into the mythic stuff at all, save to link the word Easter and Eostre without any evidence. As I pointed out earlier, even if there is an etymological link (Easter being named Easter because it fell in the Saxon month Eostromonath, for instance) it doesn't prove easter is inherently pagan and 'wrong' on the basis of what one language calls it. This is basically as far as the other commentary by those other writers you cite goes, as well (except to say Eostre followers also sacrificed - not sure that's true of Anglo-Saxon culture at that period of time, even if Eostre was a genuine deity worshipped at the time)
My main beef is with Hislop. He appears to have been widely discredited as a source on mythic origins, and really offers little to no genuine historical information on the topic (see here for an article by someone who used to also write popular books on the subject and was influenced by Hislop, but then realised it was a crock and rejected his own thesis).
Regular service can now resume
No one has any credibility unless they cite sources. That's my point - I wouldn't even trust an historian saying stuff unless they indicated where there proof was coming (although historians should no better). Compton's doesn't go into the mythic stuff at all, save to link the word Easter and Eostre without any evidence. As I pointed out earlier, even if there is an etymological link (Easter being named Easter because it fell in the Saxon month Eostromonath, for instance) it doesn't prove easter is inherently pagan and 'wrong' on the basis of what one language calls it. This is basically as far as the other commentary by those other writers you cite goes, as well (except to say Eostre followers also sacrificed - not sure that's true of Anglo-Saxon culture at that period of time, even if Eostre was a genuine deity worshipped at the time)
My main beef is with Hislop. He appears to have been widely discredited as a source on mythic origins, and really offers little to no genuine historical information on the topic (see here for an article by someone who used to also write popular books on the subject and was influenced by Hislop, but then realised it was a crock and rejected his own thesis).
Regular service can now resume
Hizikyah, your response is as much evasive as it is dogmatic. You do not address the fact that both days, the day before, and---"the first day of the week (sabbaton)" are identified as "sabbaton." I can verify this in my Greek-English interlinear text. It is also verifiable using Strong's Concordance. Its number for sabbaton is 4521 and you will see that sabbaton ocurrs twice in Matt. 28:1. The first occurrence identifies the old Sabbath, and the second occurrence, in the phrase "the first day of the week (sabbaton)," identifies the new Sabbath. This is why it is described as "first." Look up "first" in Strong's (#3391, mia). It means "first...number one...chief." Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1 and John 20:1, 19 all agree on this. They all say that the second Sabbath referred to in these verses is the first or chief compared to that the day before. In your rebuttal you quote English translations only, those wherein the second "sabbaton" is translated as week. Why? Have you not looked it up in the Greek? Or, do you not have a Strong's Concordance? Either will demonstrate that Sabbaton occurs twice in these verses. Below is the King James with the Greek underneath.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.... Matt. 28:1 KJV
Opse de sabbaton ote epiphoskouse eis mian sabbaton. Matt. 28:1 Greek text
It doesn't take a Greek scholar to recognize that the Greek word for sabbath occurs twice in this and other verses, those where most English translations translate the second sabbaton as "week." Robert Young, author of Young's Analytical Condordance and one of the finest Hebrew and Greek scholars is author of A Literal Translation of the Bible. In it he translates Matt. 28:1 as follows:
And on the eve of sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of sabbaths. Matthew 28:1 Young's, A Literal Translation of the Bible.
That sabbaton occurs twice in these verses is also recognized in the Fenton and numerous other English and foreign language translations. The evidence is there for those willing to seek it. It's why the apostles broke bread (Acts 20:7), and held their common assembly on "the first day of the week (sabbaton)," on "the first of sabbaths." Today's Christians would do well to follow their example.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.... Matt. 28:1 KJV
Opse de sabbaton ote epiphoskouse eis mian sabbaton. Matt. 28:1 Greek text
It doesn't take a Greek scholar to recognize that the Greek word for sabbath occurs twice in this and other verses, those where most English translations translate the second sabbaton as "week." Robert Young, author of Young's Analytical Condordance and one of the finest Hebrew and Greek scholars is author of A Literal Translation of the Bible. In it he translates Matt. 28:1 as follows:
And on the eve of sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of sabbaths. Matthew 28:1 Young's, A Literal Translation of the Bible.
That sabbaton occurs twice in these verses is also recognized in the Fenton and numerous other English and foreign language translations. The evidence is there for those willing to seek it. It's why the apostles broke bread (Acts 20:7), and held their common assembly on "the first day of the week (sabbaton)," on "the first of sabbaths." Today's Christians would do well to follow their example.
I addressed this earlier.
Clearly you dont understand Israylite culture. Only someone looking at this from a western perspective would not know this.
In Israyl the days were called as follows:
1st from the Sabbath
2nd from the Sabbath
3rd from the Sabbath
4th from the Sabbath
5th from the Sabbath
6th from the Sabbath
Sabbath
"Sunday" was literally called 1st from the Sabbath, and so on.
Clearly you dont understand Israylite culture. Only someone looking at this from a western perspective would not know this.
In Israyl the days were called as follows:
1st from the Sabbath
2nd from the Sabbath
3rd from the Sabbath
4th from the Sabbath
5th from the Sabbath
6th from the Sabbath
Sabbath
"Sunday" was literally called 1st from the Sabbath, and so on.
Hizikyah, you are still ignoring why "sabbaton" occurs twice in Matt. 28:1. Again, do you not have, or are you not willing to verify this in Strong's, or in a Greek-English interlinear text? If you would like to examine a compilation of the best evidence on this subject I will send you a 74 page book titled Israel's Calendar and the True Sabbath. Ignored, but never refuted, this book is epitome of scholarship and the last word on this subject. Evangelical leaders used to take the Sunday position, but now, unfortunately, they are busy teaching that the fourth commandment was somehow abrogated. Itching ears like to hear this, "as the prophets prophesy falsely...and my people love to have it so."
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No Hizikyah, I am not an expert on Israel's ancient calendar, but sources in the aforementioned book Israel's Calendar and the True Sabbath are. They also agree with sources in the British Museum. And why did you say "...what Sabbath is written twice?" I've already shown that Strong's, and the Greek text, in referring to two different sabbaths, use the exact same word twice. Are you trying to dance around the fact that the latter application only, is called "the first of sabbaths." And the epistles tell us it was this, not that of the day before (i.e., Saturday) on which the apostles "broke bread" and held their common assembly.
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They broke bread EVERY day.
Acts 2:46, "So daily, without ceasing, with one accord in the sacred precincts and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart."
You need to do some in depth study into the Creator's calendar. This booklet has misled you. We are so far detached for the calendar Yahweh has ordained in favor of a calendar literally from Babylon that even simple principles of His moadim (appointed times) are hard for the masses to understand.
Acts 2:46, "So daily, without ceasing, with one accord in the sacred precincts and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart."
You need to do some in depth study into the Creator's calendar. This booklet has misled you. We are so far detached for the calendar Yahweh has ordained in favor of a calendar literally from Babylon that even simple principles of His moadim (appointed times) are hard for the masses to understand.
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Hizikyah, many will not have much insight on this topic because the knowledge of prophesy hasn't been revealed unto them yet.
To understand this you would also have understand Revelation 13.
You need to know which nation represents this power that claims to have the ecclesiastical authority to change scripture and you may have to accept that you've been worshipping in a way that wasn't intended by God/Yahweh
To understand this you would also have understand Revelation 13.
You need to know which nation represents this power that claims to have the ecclesiastical authority to change scripture and you may have to accept that you've been worshipping in a way that wasn't intended by God/Yahweh
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Dan 7:25 And he shall speak melal, (Chald.), mel-al'; corresp. to H4448; to speak:--say, speak (-ing).
great words millah, (Chald.), mil-law'; papa Bulls, commands, discourse,
against the most High, (supreme God)
and shall wear out (afflct persecute)
the saints (qaddiysh, (Chald.), kad-deesh'; corresp. to H6918.--commandment keepers).
of the most High, (supreme God)
and think to change (ALTER)
times (CALENDER!) Sabbath to sunday!
and laws: (Dawth - DECREES! plural commandment #4 and #2 about idols)
and they shall be given (saints submitted and yielded to him)
into his hand (power - kingdom)
until a time (YEAR!)
and times (2 YEARS!)
and the dividing of time. (half a year!)
interesting I did not know this.
the word time is actually the word YEAR
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
in prophecy a day stands for a year
So
one plus two plus half is 1260 days and a day for a year is
1260 years
from 321 AD when the TIME of Sabbath was changed to sunday until 1798 (1260 years later) when the papa was put in prison they rulesd with changed laws
sunday for Sabbath and no idol worship ten commandment
they changed the ten commandments
proof:
Get the catechism
in it you will see commandment #2 MISSING! They like idols so they just took it out.
Idols make a TON of money.
yes completely missing
law changed
and they split up number ten into two parts
so when you talk to any of them and tell them they are breaking # 4 they think you are talking about honoring father and mother so you can never connect and talk sensibly...
all their commandments are numbered differently
they definitley changed times and the law all around
great words millah, (Chald.), mil-law'; papa Bulls, commands, discourse,
against the most High, (supreme God)
and shall wear out (afflct persecute)
the saints (qaddiysh, (Chald.), kad-deesh'; corresp. to H6918.--commandment keepers).
of the most High, (supreme God)
and think to change (ALTER)
times (CALENDER!) Sabbath to sunday!
and laws: (Dawth - DECREES! plural commandment #4 and #2 about idols)
and they shall be given (saints submitted and yielded to him)
into his hand (power - kingdom)
until a time (YEAR!)
and times (2 YEARS!)
and the dividing of time. (half a year!)
interesting I did not know this.
the word time is actually the word YEAR
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
in prophecy a day stands for a year
So
one plus two plus half is 1260 days and a day for a year is
1260 years
from 321 AD when the TIME of Sabbath was changed to sunday until 1798 (1260 years later) when the papa was put in prison they rulesd with changed laws
sunday for Sabbath and no idol worship ten commandment
they changed the ten commandments
proof:
Get the catechism
in it you will see commandment #2 MISSING! They like idols so they just took it out.
Idols make a TON of money.
yes completely missing
law changed
and they split up number ten into two parts
so when you talk to any of them and tell them they are breaking # 4 they think you are talking about honoring father and mother so you can never connect and talk sensibly...
all their commandments are numbered differently
they definitley changed times and the law all around
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Yes my brother, you are right. The beautiful thing is if we humble ourselves before Yahweh and dont lean upon our own understanding the truth will be revealed! Thanks to Yahweh for this because with all the deception in this world I know if I didnt have Him I would be lost, with no clue and eventually devoured. Sincere praise and glory to our heavenly Father for guiding us patiently! For the Ancient of Days is perfect in all ways!
They boastfully admit it:
“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons
“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.
Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29
"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."
“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons
“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.
Council of Laodicea (4th Century) Canon 29
"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."
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The book is no longer sealed
time is up
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
we just hit 1335 days (years) from 321 AD
all prophecies are now avaialble.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak melal, (Chald.), mel-al'; corresp. to H4448; to speak:--say, speak (-ing).
great words millah, (Chald.), mil-law'; papa Bulls, commands, discourse,
against the most High, (supreme God)
and shall wear out (afflct persecute)
the saints (qaddiysh, (Chald.), kad-deesh'; corresp. to H6918.--commandment keepers).
of the most High, (supreme God)
and think to change (ALTER)
times (CALENDER!) Sabbath to sunday!
and laws: (Dawth - DECREES! plural commandment #4 and #2 about idols)
and they shall be given (saints submitted and yielded to him)
into his hand (power - kingdom)
until a time (YEAR!)
and times (2 YEARS!)
and the dividing of time. (half a year!)
interesting I did not know this.
the word time is actually the word YEAR
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
in prophecy a day stands for a year
So
one plus two plus half is 1260 days and a day for a year is
1260 years
from 321 AD when the TIME of Sabbath was changed to sunday until 1798 (1260 years later) when the papa was put in prison they rulesd with changed laws
sunday for Sabbath and no idol worship ten commandment
they changed the ten commandments
proof:
Get the catechism
in it you will see commandment #2 MISSING! They like idols so they just took it out.
Idols make a TON of money.
yes completely missing
law changed
and they split up number ten into two parts
so when you talk to any of them and tell them they are breaking # 4 they think you are talking about honoring father and mother so you can never connect and talk sensibly...
all their commandments are numbered differently
they definitley changed times and the law all around
time is up
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
we just hit 1335 days (years) from 321 AD
all prophecies are now avaialble.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak melal, (Chald.), mel-al'; corresp. to H4448; to speak:--say, speak (-ing).
great words millah, (Chald.), mil-law'; papa Bulls, commands, discourse,
against the most High, (supreme God)
and shall wear out (afflct persecute)
the saints (qaddiysh, (Chald.), kad-deesh'; corresp. to H6918.--commandment keepers).
of the most High, (supreme God)
and think to change (ALTER)
times (CALENDER!) Sabbath to sunday!
and laws: (Dawth - DECREES! plural commandment #4 and #2 about idols)
and they shall be given (saints submitted and yielded to him)
into his hand (power - kingdom)
until a time (YEAR!)
and times (2 YEARS!)
and the dividing of time. (half a year!)
interesting I did not know this.
the word time is actually the word YEAR
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
in prophecy a day stands for a year
So
one plus two plus half is 1260 days and a day for a year is
1260 years
from 321 AD when the TIME of Sabbath was changed to sunday until 1798 (1260 years later) when the papa was put in prison they rulesd with changed laws
sunday for Sabbath and no idol worship ten commandment
they changed the ten commandments
proof:
Get the catechism
in it you will see commandment #2 MISSING! They like idols so they just took it out.
Idols make a TON of money.
yes completely missing
law changed
and they split up number ten into two parts
so when you talk to any of them and tell them they are breaking # 4 they think you are talking about honoring father and mother so you can never connect and talk sensibly...
all their commandments are numbered differently
they definitley changed times and the law all around
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interesting I did not know:
Saints means those who keep the commandments of God!
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
this means
Psa 50:5 Gather my commandment keepers together unto me;
those that have made a Alliance with me by sacrifice.
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of commandment keepers.
now this makes sense:
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints(commandment keepers): here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
final proof!
Saints means those who keep the commandments of God!
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
this means
Psa 50:5 Gather my commandment keepers together unto me;
those that have made a Alliance with me by sacrifice.
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of commandment keepers.
now this makes sense:
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints(commandment keepers): here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
final proof!
Yes Hizikyah, I am looking at this "from a western (Christian) perspective, I am not looking at this from that of the unbelievers at that time, those whose descendants would cling to the obsolete Old Covenant Sabbath. You say, "Sunday was literally called 1st from the Sabbath, and so on." I have about twenty English translations and I've yet to see this in any of them. No, Matt. 28:1 and others are not calling the second application of sabbaton in these verses other than the Sabbath (i.e., "the first of Sabbaths"). And no, even if they did, it would not negate the fact that "the first of Sabbaths" (i.e., what we now call Sunday) was the day the apostles "came together to break bread" (Acts 20:7). The epistles clearly state this, that the disciples held their common assembly, that they "came together to break bread" on "the first of Sabbaths." This was their one day in a cycle of sevens, and it was soon known as Sunday.
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Re: The Truth About The Sabbath
Originally Posted by Laodicea
Acts 20:7 KJV
(7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
This text should read 'one of the sabbaths' not first day of the week.
G3391
μία
mia
Thayer Definition:
1) only one, someone
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: irregular feminine of G1520
This is the meaning of the the word first it means one not first.
Matthew 5:24 KJV
(24) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
G4412
πρῶτον
prōton
Thayer Definition:
1) first in time or place
1a) in any succession of things or persons
2) first in rank
2a) influence, honour
2b) chief
2c) principal
3) first, at the first
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: neuter of G4413 as adverb (with or without G3588)
Citing in TDNT: 6:868, 965
Notice the different word this word means first not the other which means one.
G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
Thayer Definition:
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day
2) seven days, a week
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H7676
Notice the word for week. So the translation should read 'one of the sabbaths' not firstdayoftheweek.
Acts 20:7 KJV
(7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
This text should read 'one of the sabbaths' not first day of the week.
G3391
μία
mia
Thayer Definition:
1) only one, someone
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: irregular feminine of G1520
This is the meaning of the the word first it means one not first.
Matthew 5:24 KJV
(24) Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
G4412
πρῶτον
prōton
Thayer Definition:
1) first in time or place
1a) in any succession of things or persons
2) first in rank
2a) influence, honour
2b) chief
2c) principal
3) first, at the first
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: neuter of G4413 as adverb (with or without G3588)
Citing in TDNT: 6:868, 965
Notice the different word this word means first not the other which means one.
G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
Thayer Definition:
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day
2) seven days, a week
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Hebrew origin H7676
Notice the word for week. So the translation should read 'one of the sabbaths' not firstdayoftheweek.
Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Act 20:7 And upon thefirstdayoftheweek, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
It is imperative that we understand God's Feasts. That's right, God said they are His Feast. We find thecomplete list in Leviticus 23.
The day after Passover (Nisan 14th) is the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Nisan 15th/A High Sabbath).
The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed 7 days. On Nisan 21, is the last day of theFeast of Unleavened Bread and is also a High Sabbath.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Next, in the INSTRUCTIONS (TORAH), we see that the firstfruit of the harvest is to be brought for a WAVE OFFERING. This is done on the morrow after the Sabbath. So if Nisan 14th Passover happened on a Wednesday, Nisan 15th begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread/A High Sabbath, happens on Thursday.The wave offering is brought to the priest on Nisan 16th, which in this example would be Friday, the dayafter the Sabbath (High Sabbath).
Lev 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after thesabbath the priest shall wave it.
Lev 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:13 And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye broughtthe sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
So the WAVE OFFERING, in this example is done on Friday (the morrow after the Sabbath which is a High Sabbath.)
Then on the first weekly Sabbath after the Wave Offering, begin counting 7 Sabbaths (weekly sabbaths.) This equals 49 days of counting. Then after the 7th Sabbath (49th day) the next day is DAY 50. Day 50 is Feast of Shavuot (we Christians call it Pentecost Sunday).
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
Lev 23:18 And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
Lev 23:19 Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
Lev 23:20 And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before theLORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
Lev 23:21 And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
Lev 23:22 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the cornersof thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.
Ok. History lesson complete. Now why is this significant. We read in Acts 20:6 "Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
The next verse, Acts 20:7 reads in KJV "Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when thedisciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Your break down of the Greek is absolutely correct. The word first could also be "one of". There is no word "day" because is was added by the translators. (Good reason not to go against what God said about not adding or diminishing from His Word (Deuteronomy 4:2) Next the word "week" is just like you said, Sabbaton in the Greek.
So what we have here in Acts 20:7 is they are counting after the Feast of Unleavened Bread the 7 weekly Sabbaths. It is one of the 7 Sabbaths. Which one of the 7?
Let's read Acts 20:6 again. Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
After the days of unleavened bread = Last day of the feast of Unleavened Bread is always on Nisan 21st. They set sail after Nisan 21st and it took them five days to travel to Troas. And after arriving at their destination, they stayed 7 days.
Then Acts 20:7 "Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
So they are definitely meeting on one of the 7 Sabbaths. Paul was leaving the next day and so he continued speaking until midnight. The Sabbath ended at sunset that day, but Paul continued preaching.
Also, note that in Acts 20:7 that the disciples came together to break bread. The question is was thebread unleavened or leavened? It is "AFTER" the Feast of Unleavened Bread, so the Bread is Leavened. Strong's Word #G740.
G740
ἄρτος
artos
ar'-tos
From G142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: - (shew-) bread, loaf.
So, again, you are absolutely correct in saying "Notice the word for week. So the translation should read'one of the sabbaths' not first day of the week.