POLL: The Deity of Christ

[p_rehbein]

So you think this verse is wrong? It should read what you say? LOL

1 Cr 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

Ahh, I see, you are playing word games............ok...........No, I do not think the verse from Corinthians is wrong, but that was not how you WORD GAMED your question was it?

Your comment #84:

If Christ is God's, then how is God's Word not from God?

This is not a direct quote from 1 Corinthians 3:23 is it? Nope. So, as often times with other deniers of Christ, you are playing word games.....and I stand by my comment.....I, nor anyone else who confesses Christ is Lord and God have any obligation to prove anything to those who deny the Deity of Christ.

Game players are involved in verbal deception, and I know for sure verbal deception, or deception of any kind IS NOT OF GOD..............

God the Father: God of man
God the Son: God as man
God the Holy Spirit: God within man

The Holy Trinity.............Biblical Truth!


Deal with it, or He will deal with you when the chaff is separated from the wheat.

Just the way it is.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Is it this verse here?

1 Cr 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

In the sense of His Christ?

Like in these verses?

Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Or no?

Yeah I posted it above, evidently someone thought it was my own words. And yes Christ is God's
Just as Jesus' words were not his own, but God's.


1 Corinthians 11:3.... and the head of Christ is God.

 

[DesiredHaven]

So you think this verse is wrong? It should read what you say? LOL

1 Cr 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

1 Cr 3:23 And ye are Christ's;and Christ is God's.

If we highlight it this way we too belong to Christ, as the Father gave him these and yet the Father gave us Christ also

John 10: 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

 

[oldhermit]

So the Word is not God's? Funny I thought God's words were His.

In Greek, how a word is understood is determined by the spelling of the word. The word "God" is spelled in a number of different ways in Greek and translation is limited to the definition associated with a given spelling; for example, we cannot translate the word Θεόν an a genitive of possession or as a plural because it is always accusative masculine singular. If you are looking for genitive of possession this can only be rendered from Θεοῦ. In John 1:1 the only two forms of θεῷ that appear are Θεόν and Θεὸς neither of which are possessive. "The Word was God," not the Word was God's. Words have meanings and you cannot substitute the different forms, they are not interchangeable.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Yeah I posted it above, evidently someone thought it was my own words. And yes Christ is God's
Just as Jesus' words were not his own, but God's.


1 Corinthians 11:3.... and the head of Christ is God.

Jesus words were not his but the Fathers

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them,
and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

The word spake the words of God yes

 

[FancyNancy]

Jesus Christ is the Word. It is He who spoke Creation into existence.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Yeah I posted it above, evidently someone thought it was my own words. And yes Christ is God's
Just as Jesus' words were not his own, but God's.


1 Corinthians 11:3.... and the head of Christ is God.

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine,
whether it be of God,or whether I speak of myself.

Forgot that part of the verse because Jesus didnt speak of himself Jesus spake by commandment as prophesied by Moses

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Moses wrote of him in that

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

In Greek, how a word is understood is determined by the spelling of the word. The word "God" is spelled in a number of different ways in Greek and translation is limited to the definition associated with a given spelling; for example, we cannot translate the word Θεόν an a genitive of possession or as a plural because it is always accusative masculine singular. If you are looking for genitive of possession this can only be rendered from Θεοῦ. In John 1:1 the only two forms of θεῷ that appear are Θεόν and Θεὸς neither of which are possessive. "The Word was God," not the Word was God's. Words have meanings and you cannot substitute the different forms, they are not interchangeable.

Here's the point Christ is God's, and the Word of God is the Son of God, which is God's Christ, or God's Son, or God's Word, all are of God the Father.

You can play word hockey all day long, but the Truth is the Word of God is God's. There is only One God.

 

[oldhermit]

Here's the point Christ is God's, and the Word of God is the Son of God, which is God's Christ, or God's Son, or God's Word, all are of God the Father.

You can play word hockey all day long, but the Truth is the Word of God is God's. There is only One God.

Clearly you do not understand enough about this topic to be arguing these points. Yes, the Son is God's Son but you cannot apply this definition just anywhere you wish. This is not what John is saying in John 1:1 and the grammar of that text is meticulously designed to expressly establish the fact that Jesus is God. If you like I can take you through the Greek construction of the text point by point.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Heres the of whom's and by whom's also

2Cr 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ


1Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom areall things, and we by him.

God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

Col 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine,
whether it be of God,or whether I speak of myself.

Forgot that part of the verse because Jesus didnt speak of himself Jesus spake by commandment as prophesied by Moses

Duet 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Moses wrote of him in that

Whose words did Jesus speak? Not his own, but God's.

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Clearly you do not understand enough about this topic to be arguing these points. Yes, the Son is God's Son but you cannot apply this definition just anywhere you wish. This is not what John is saying in John 1:1 and the grammar of that text is meticulously designed to expressly establish the fact that Jesus is God. If you like I can take you through the Greek construction of the text point by point.

That's alright I have God's Son dwelling in me, and I have God's Spirit guiding me into all Truth. But thanks for your concern.

 

[oldhermit]

That's alright I have God's Son dwelling in me, and I have God's Spirit guiding me into all Truth. But thanks for your concern.

If Jesus is not God then perhaps you can explain why the Father addressed the Son as God in Heb. 1:8.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Whose words did Jesus speak? Not his own, but God's.

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Thats what Jesus said

 

[DesiredHaven]

Heres a few more

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

2 Cr 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ , and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1 Col 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ephes 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

All invisible powers were created by him and for him

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

John 17 :5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

1 Cr 1:24 Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

 

[Bowman]

That's alright I have God's Son dwelling in me, and I have God's Spirit guiding me into all Truth. But thanks for your concern.

No.

You don't...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If Jesus is not God then perhaps you can explain why the Father addressed the Son as God in Heb. 1:8.

Same reason David called the Word of God Lord, when David spoke by the Spirit saying the Lord said unto my Lord concerning God's Christ. God has made His Word both Lord and Christ and it is a marvelous thing indeed!

 

[oldhermit]

Same reason David called the Word of God Lord, when David spoke by the Spirit saying the Lord said unto my Lord concerning God's Christ. God has made His Word both Lord and Christ and it is a marvelous thing indeed!

You are not explaining why the Father acknowledged the Son as God. You are insisting that he is not God but the Father says he is.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Same reason David called the Word of God Lord, when David spoke by the Spirit saying the Lord said unto my Lord concerning God's Christ. God has made His Word both Lord and Christ and it is a marvelous thing indeed!

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

People nowadays are trying to bypass the Son, and even do away with the title of the Son of God by saying phrases like "God the Son." This is a dangerous doctrine because it tries to eliminate the one mediator between God and man.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Here are a few verses explaining how the apostles of the Lord showed the difference between God and Jesus Christ.


1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:2Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2 Corinthians 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Galatians 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with allspiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Ephesians 1:17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Ephesians 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
1 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2 Thessalonians 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
1 Timothy 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Timothy 1:2 To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Titus 1:4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Philemon 1:3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.