prophets guide to persecution
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We all know the apostles were great prophets. They were told to spread the gospel. The gospel has been spread and is continuing to do so. What more can a true prophet add to the gospels 2000 years later? I would like to know.
If it isn't adding to the gospel message that is being prophesied then what is the significance? We already know we will be persecuted and hated. We already know the world will become more evil. We already know that many will leave the faith or refuse to believe it because evil has taken over. What more is there to tell others? I sincerely want to know.
If it isn't adding to the gospel message that is being prophesied then what is the significance? We already know we will be persecuted and hated. We already know the world will become more evil. We already know that many will leave the faith or refuse to believe it because evil has taken over. What more is there to tell others? I sincerely want to know.
T
Prophecy isn't always about the future. Actually, very little of it is. Most prophecy concerns the past and more importantly, the present. Again, prophets who toot their own horn aren't prophets from God. Also, you're doing a great/terrible job of twisting people's words to say something other than what they said.
You have the WRONG definition of Biblical prophecy! You are thinking of seers and crystal ball gazers! God has left us with his Word. Revelation is a finished book in the Bible, it does not need some false prophets to interpret it wrongly for the thousandth time!
God will unfold the future to Christians when he wants. What he wants us to do now is exactly what he told us to do in Matt 28:18-20 and Acts 1:8.
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20
"8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Acts 1:8
I hope you think carefully about this occult vision of prophecy as predicting the future. And start to do the work Jesus commanded us to do before he ascended into heaven!
Land please take your head out of Revelation, and instead read the gospels and learn to follow Jesus!
God will unfold the future to Christians when he wants. What he wants us to do now is exactly what he told us to do in Matt 28:18-20 and Acts 1:8.
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20
"8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Acts 1:8
I hope you think carefully about this occult vision of prophecy as predicting the future. And start to do the work Jesus commanded us to do before he ascended into heaven!
Land please take your head out of Revelation, and instead read the gospels and learn to follow Jesus!
I may or may not be on. I come here in spurts, and I am likely about to take another leave of absence i believe.
Anyway, you pretty much said you can't understand if you don't have the gifts. I see what you mean, but I have a slight issue with that. Whatever gifts one may have it isn't for that person. It should never be used for their benefit. The gifts were to help bring others to Christ. They are used as tools to assist one in their ministry, and it is saddening to see many on CC talk more about gifts than they do about the gospel. I am not a Christian because I want/have gifts. I am not a Christian because I want to tell others about gifts or defend whether they exist or not.
I think many people are concentrating too much on the wrong thing in scripture. Paul spent very little time on discussing gifts, and we all know he had them. I see too many people harping on magical powers than they do trying to bring others to the Lord.
Anyway, you pretty much said you can't understand if you don't have the gifts. I see what you mean, but I have a slight issue with that. Whatever gifts one may have it isn't for that person. It should never be used for their benefit. The gifts were to help bring others to Christ. They are used as tools to assist one in their ministry, and it is saddening to see many on CC talk more about gifts than they do about the gospel. I am not a Christian because I want/have gifts. I am not a Christian because I want to tell others about gifts or defend whether they exist or not.
I think many people are concentrating too much on the wrong thing in scripture. Paul spent very little time on discussing gifts, and we all know he had them. I see too many people harping on magical powers than they do trying to bring others to the Lord.
T
Son,
I do not have a problem with those desiring the gift of prophecy. I do not have a problem with those who are in the ministry gift/office of the Prophet, I surely do not have a problem with the true prophetic today, because I believe that prophetic anointing ushered in the first coming of Jesus Christ and I believe the prophetic anointing will usher in the second coming of Jesus Christ.
What I do have a problem with is YOU!
You seem stuck on the fact, that just because you flit around in your church and give a "word" to people or think you constantly have a THUS Saith the Lord in your mouth, to deliver, means you can now and no less on a chat board, rebuke people for not desiring to prophesy and elevate yourself above others in the Body and boldly without stating it directly, attempt to convince chat board members, you are a bona-fide New Testament Prophet and the rest of us poor brothers and sisters should bow down to you. I only bow down to God, not any of his past or present Prophets.
Your immaturity in areas of scripture and other things are tell tale signs you have really no clue about how the true prophetic works. At best you might be a strong exhorter and 1 John 4.1-3 is not the test for the prophetic.
The primary test you fail outright and do so consistently is having control over your own spirit, you are the complete opposite of 1 Cor 14.32. You are better described like a city that is broken down and without walls. The other test you fail is the promotion of the GIFT over the GIFT GIVER! No prophet would exalt his gifts or his ministry over the gift giver.
You continually worship the gift of prophecy. The Bible says to worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Your spirit does not testify about Jesus, Your spirit testify's about the gift of prophecy and your damnable desire of shameless self promotion.
I have asked repeatedly and many times and you continue to ignore the questions and never answer.
So here goes super man give it a shot.
Do you preach and teach the word of God and are you invited into other churches to do this?
If you do this do you prefer preaching from notes or is your sermon often times delivered differently, than your notes.
Do you operate in the revelation or other vocal gifts listed in 1 Cor 12? if so please list which ones.
What is your primary and secondary Romans 12 gift? please list both and your understanding of what they mean.
At 28 years old, how long have you been in Full time ministry? Have you been on the missions field, evangelized people, been refined & empowered for the call?
How many hours a week do you spend in intercessory prayer?
Deep down in the places you don't talk about with anyone: Do you battle with secret sins like addictions or sexual perversion?
To be clear superman these are not tests, these are simply questions. I would really be interested in seeing your answers.
I do not have a problem with those desiring the gift of prophecy. I do not have a problem with those who are in the ministry gift/office of the Prophet, I surely do not have a problem with the true prophetic today, because I believe that prophetic anointing ushered in the first coming of Jesus Christ and I believe the prophetic anointing will usher in the second coming of Jesus Christ.
What I do have a problem with is YOU!
You seem stuck on the fact, that just because you flit around in your church and give a "word" to people or think you constantly have a THUS Saith the Lord in your mouth, to deliver, means you can now and no less on a chat board, rebuke people for not desiring to prophesy and elevate yourself above others in the Body and boldly without stating it directly, attempt to convince chat board members, you are a bona-fide New Testament Prophet and the rest of us poor brothers and sisters should bow down to you. I only bow down to God, not any of his past or present Prophets.
Your immaturity in areas of scripture and other things are tell tale signs you have really no clue about how the true prophetic works. At best you might be a strong exhorter and 1 John 4.1-3 is not the test for the prophetic.
The primary test you fail outright and do so consistently is having control over your own spirit, you are the complete opposite of 1 Cor 14.32. You are better described like a city that is broken down and without walls. The other test you fail is the promotion of the GIFT over the GIFT GIVER! No prophet would exalt his gifts or his ministry over the gift giver.
You continually worship the gift of prophecy. The Bible says to worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Your spirit does not testify about Jesus, Your spirit testify's about the gift of prophecy and your damnable desire of shameless self promotion.
I have asked repeatedly and many times and you continue to ignore the questions and never answer.
So here goes super man give it a shot.
Do you preach and teach the word of God and are you invited into other churches to do this?
If you do this do you prefer preaching from notes or is your sermon often times delivered differently, than your notes.
Do you operate in the revelation or other vocal gifts listed in 1 Cor 12? if so please list which ones.
What is your primary and secondary Romans 12 gift? please list both and your understanding of what they mean.
At 28 years old, how long have you been in Full time ministry? Have you been on the missions field, evangelized people, been refined & empowered for the call?
How many hours a week do you spend in intercessory prayer?
Deep down in the places you don't talk about with anyone: Do you battle with secret sins like addictions or sexual perversion?
To be clear superman these are not tests, these are simply questions. I would really be interested in seeing your answers.
I agree the gifting is one part of us but a balanced focus is needed for all is profitable in reference to the spirit bit a healthy outlook of the gospel is important , I am a witness that you can ask for tge giftings of you dont have them acording to ones faith the spirit will endow not just to the heads of fhe church but for all believers.
here is the curious part of "modern day prophets",,,(john 5;39),then compared to (Isaiah 46;10) So is there a "new thing" concerning Christ written between the "first scripture in Matthew and the last scripture of Revelations"? that was never foretold from the beginning(Isaiah 46;10) that it could be said is a "new prophecy" ?
this it seems to be the point that is was Paul,peter,john and others (explaining things) that Christ fulfilled when he was in the flesh on earth,and the things that were already written of him that would still be accomplished in the future,or were they stating things that were never written in the scriptures until they gave them to us?
this is why,,Christ told those of the destruction of the temple,a.d.70(was this already spoken of in the scriptures)?,,the Resurrection in the many scriptures Paul gave is he speaking of something no one had ever heard or was he explaining what was already told in the scriptures? in the Revelation the kingdom,the woman the harlot,the dragon,the judgement the new earth the new heaven are these new things,or are they discerned by looking at the other scriptures god had already given(isaah 46;10)?
why is if so,,a modern day prophet would not be saying "new things never reveled by god" but instead he would be delivering things that god had already foretold. and you would know him to be an actual prophet because the thing he said is the same as god said "so for sure it would come to pass",,,,
examine (Danial 10;21),,,,"but i will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth:and (there is) none that holdeth with me in these things,but Michael your prince",,,,then he proceeds to deliver to Daniel the things in chapter 11,and 12 which explains the rest of the worlds timeline.,,,,so everything in chapter 11-12 according to the angel(Daniel 10;21) has already been noted in the scripture of truth(prior to the book of Daniel),,,so not even the angel approaches this with somthing new but instead explains the things god has already said,,,,,,