Prophets

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave wrote,

You do error in not understanding that when Jesus said the Law and the prophets were until John,

This is in responce to the poster who thinks there are no prophets today because of the verse that says the above.

'The Law and the Prophets' were the two divisions of the Old Testament. Later, Jews would refer to the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. It's like we have New Testament and Old Testament in our Bibles.

True, it was also referred to as Torah, also there was a division even in the prophets called the Minor Prophets and the Major Prophets.

Jesus said in Matthew 23 that He would send forth prophets. Ephesians 4 tells us that Christ gave gifts unto men, including prophets. Acts shows us that there were prophets in the church. Three of them, Agabus, Judas, and Silas, are mentioned by name. Barnabas may also have been one. I Corinthians also mentions prophets in the church.

i have never said otherwise. People claim me as a prophet. If God has revealed to me prophesies concerning the future and what is to come, what does that make me?

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[DesiredHaven]

I, DiscipleDave, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ... as long as it is not contrary to my personal religious beliefs or contrary to the teachings of that belief.

Thats not written in there though is it?

Or did you just add that in?

I dont know I didnt check, I am really bad at reading long oath type contracts after the first few lines

And I ask that because I mean if it was while you placed yourself in their service and under their authority (voluntarily subjecting yourself to their oath) you wouldnt have been dishonourably discharged if that was really added in there would you have?

But were you?

I actually forget whether you said you were or not, I have to go back and read

Getting married is becoming one flesh with another and in that which should be honor by all of one choses to get married, but even Jesus disciples said its good for them not to marry (in the context they were speaking of) and not doing so pertained more to ones ability to receive that saying (which not all men could) and which is a gift (to remain single) as I understand it.

I cant compare marraige to the millitary , that just seems weird to do that.

Well, you know, the two becoming one flesh in something God ordained between a man and a woman where its not something you are discharged from.

I know a covenant is also used between a husband and a wife

Ecc 5:4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

Ecc 5:5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.

Then Jesus said,

Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Mat 5:34-36 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

Wouldnt that be like stating a YES I will serve in the millitary or a NO I will not (or a yes or a no) but I refuse to swear an oath to do so?

Or even a YES I take this man (or this woman ) to be my husband/ wife (to marry) and be one flesh with (as before God) but I wont swear an oath or take a vow to do so?

Not that it much matters its still till death do us part (either way)

Speaks of the wife of a mans "covenant"

I really need to brush up on this stuff, this is not good I am sitting here exposing my ignorance like this lol

 

[DiscipleDave]

Not only are Prophets and Apostles still in operation today but the whole Five Fold Ministry is active meaning Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers Ephesians 4:11 also 1 Corinthians 12:28 most important we must know who we are and make sure it is what GOD called us and not man. Be aware there are false ones as well for satan tries to mimic GOD.

Blessings!!!!!!!

You will know who is false, if they teach ANYTHING that is contrary to the Word of God. The Word of God is what you use to test them. If they are saying ANYTHING that is contrary to sound doctrine, they are false. However there are they that are True and not false. And many will accuse them of teaching things contrary to Scriptures and call them false, but those who are True, do not teach anything that is contrary to Scriptures, but most assuredly contrary to what people today call Truth.
For example i teach many things, And even though those many things do not contradict ANY Scriptures, they do contradict what people believe is the Truth, therefore because what i teach is contrary to what they THINK is the Truth, yet does not contradict Scriptures themselves, will accuse me of teaching false doctrines and call me a false.
Again, you can tell who are false and who are True, by what they teach. if they teach ANYTHING that is contrary to SCRIPTURES, then they are false. That is how you test them.

^i^ Responding to Post #184

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said :

i studies Hebrew and Greek a great deal. All is moot. It is the Holy Spirit of God that teaches Truths to a person studying the Word of God, Hebrew and Greek are for the Hebrews and the Greeks. KJV is for the English speaking people in the world. Those who look to the Hebrew and Greek to reveal to them Truths, miss the mark, even as i did as well. seek the Truth in prayer, and in the Holy Ghost. DO NOT seek the Truth from the Hebrew and Greek.

I see where you are coming from on this, as people can get lost in over education.

I do believe people should study the original Greek and Hebrew but need to be careful when doing so, and need to let the Holy Spirit be the main guiding tool behind one's search for truth. Do not put much stock in other material written by men unless they completely line up with the bible.

You say that people SHOULD study the original Greek and Hebrew, Tell me what can be learned in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that the HOLY SPIRIT of God can't reveal to a person? i mean if there was information in the Hebrew and Greek that the Holy Spirit of God does not reveal, then i would also say People SHOULD study the original Greek and Hebrew. But if EVERYTHING can be learned from the Holy Spirit of Truth, whey would i need to go to the Hebrew and Greek to learn Truths that the Holy Ghost can teach me?

You say

and need to let the Holy Spirit be the main guiding tool behind one's search for truth.

If the Holy Spirit is the main guiding tool, why would you need the tool called Hebrew and Greek? The Hebrew and Greek is a tool, but is not a Main Tool. If i can use the Main Tool, why would i go and use a lesser tool? Going to the Hebrew and Greek as a tool to glean Truth and lets say you learn something, at BEST, because it came from your own learning and understanding, it MIGHT be True, MAY be a Truth. Something that comes from the Spirit, you KNOW is Truth.
For example, those who are Spiritually led, KNOW that Jesus is the Son of God, NOT because the Bible says so, NOT because Hebrew and Greek says so, NOT because preachers teach it, They just KNOW it is TRUE, That Truth comes from the Spirit and not from any earthly documents (ie. Hebrew/Greek/KJV/Bibles/Books/Preachers/Humans) You KNOW He is the Son of God, because the Spirit has revealed it to you, not because Other things has revealed it to you. Other things only present the Truth to you, it is the Spirit that allows you to believe it with all your HEART.

The Spirit of Truth can reveal Truths to you, a person need not go to Hebrew or Greek, they merely need to turn to God, in prayer, and in study of the Bible, One does not NEED to, or even SHOULD study the Hebrew and Greek. You your own self, gave a warning in going to the Hebrew and Greek.

I do believe people should study the original Greek and Hebrew but need to be careful when doing so

Why? Why should they be careful, what could go wrong in studying the original languages? It is that very reason that people should not study it, it will only add to the Confusion that is prevalent today. But i am curious as to why you say people should be careful, i know why they should be careful, and know what type of people belong to the Last Days generation, and what this type of people would do if they did study the Hebrew and Greek, we witness them even now, but WHY be careful? i would like to hear WHY you say that why should they be careful?

The original Greek and Hebrew words do have multiple meanings as you mentioned, and I even on multiple times have posted the Greek words pisteuo and echo and gave their full meaning and showed how they are applied in the bible.

And you did this for what reason? Is it not so they would believe as you do, and you use the Hebrew and Greek as a means to imply that you are right, because you have taken that word, or verse the Hebrew and Greek?

Because I have seen a few of our brothers and sisters in Christ only using partial definitions from these words to fit and suit their understanding, which makes it contradict other scriptures in the bible on the same subject.

understand, i really do. And i use to do "If you take that word to the Hebrew/Greek " thing as well. Now i don't mention that at all. i have found that 99% of the time i can recall Scriptures that contradict what they are saying, without ever mentioning Hebrew or Greek. Another Truth that i have learned is this. If a person does not believe what the Scriptures plainly teach, they will in no way whatsoever then believe it when i bring up Hebrew and Greek. If a person does not believe Scriptures, they will not believe Hebrew and Greek either. i will tell you another Truth, and this is from me, not the Lord, from my own personal experience. Many who study Hebrew and Greek, only causes more damage to the Truth, then it does helping reveal the Truth. Again, that is my opinion, and not from the Lord, and since it is my opinion, i could be dead wrong in that assumption, i am only basing that opinion on what i have experienced personally from those who know Hebrew and Greek.

I still don't side with you on the whole planet thing as there is no biblical evidence for such,

There is no Biblical evidence that pizza exists either. Does not change the fact that it does exist. And you say side with me, maybe i did not make it clear, it is not from me, but from Him who told me that thing. If you do not agree, that is your choice, but don't say you don't side with me, when the Truth is you are not siding with Him who told me that thing. Now i do believe it is True, because i know to whom told me that thing, but you can not know who told me, and therefore do not believe, this i understand, and do not fault you for it. But answer me this, when in the last days God spirit will pour out upon the sons and daughter and they shall prophesy, what do you think they will prophesy about? Things that are already in the Word of God, and people have been prophesying those things for over 2000 years now. Why would God pour out His spirit so that those sons and daughters can prophesy things that are already in the Bible? Nay, you do not understand, They will prophesy NEW things, things that God will reveal to them, Things that were secret, sealed up, hidden. All for one reason, a last attempt to warn and to get the children of the last days generation to believe the Truth. and change their current sinful path, to a path that will be pleasing to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

and the first time I even heard such talk was from the Mormons who have plenty of issues with their faith.

i know not what they believe. or what they talk about.

The other thing is that there is no biblical backing on what you stated that an Apostle can only be one who has seen Jesus.

You are correct, Can you can give Biblical backing that one can become an Apostle NOT ever seeing Jesus? Scriptures please. Far as i know, all those who were called Apostles, have seen Jesus Christ. One of the requirements to replace Judas, to be one of the 12 Apostles, was that they had to have seen Jesus coming and going with them. i could be wrong about what an Apostle is, but it seems to me (my opinion) that to be an Apostle you should have seen Jesus Christ. Are there any Apostles mentioned in the Scriptures that were Apostles that never did see Jesus Christ? i don't know of any, again could be wrong. And there are mentions of Apostles like Barnabas, but we don't know if he has seen Jesus Christ or not, it does not say he never did. It is things like this, that i wish i still communicated with God, i would put this in a list that i would ask Him about this matter and He would tell me.

Other Apostles were appointed by Peter and Paul on down the line, and no mention was made if they saw Christ or not, and they were made to be apostles after the crucifixion and resurrection.

Yes i understand, Are the reasons they were made Apostles pointed out? Why did Peter and Paul appoint them as Apostles, and not Disciples, or Teachers, or Elects, why Apostles? And you say there was no mention made if they saw Christ or NOT. exactly, are you saying they DID NOT ever see Him, how do you know they NEVER seen Him, that also is not in Scriptures. So i have no Biblical backing that they did see Jesus, but likewise you have no Biblical backing that says they didn't, is that correct? As i said i could be wrong on what an Apostle is, if He ever starts talking to me again, Lord willing, i will ask Him about that.

The one thing I also have pointed out to those who put to much stock on human study tools, and even college professors teachings is that to look at the History and Discovery channels programs when they do shows about the bible. They use biblical scholars that went to college to study the bible, and they I would say are wrong or miss the mark 95% of the time.

And these Biblical Scholars, did they study Hebrew and Greek? yet you say that these who have studied Hebrew and Greek miss the mark 95% of the time. Tell me do you know any Biblical Scholars that have not studied Hebrew and Greek, i wander if they miss the mark 95% of the time as well. i wouldn't think they would, The problem is, what learned Biblical Scholar does not study Hebrew and Greek?

^i^ Responding to Post #187

 

[DiscipleDave]

care to elaborate how the angels got you back on the path towards salvation?

Sure email me.

This is not the Thread for it.

^i^ Responding to Post #190

 

[DesiredHaven]

I dont think my post is on topic, so you can ignore because its not really of interest to me

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said :

You would really freak out if i said it comes with your own galaxy too. It is impossible for finite minds to comprehend what God has in store for His Immortal Saints. Is it not True that in general the prophets are not believed? In general are they not killed because of what they teach? And here is something to consider also. What if God DID tell me we get our own planets to design and form as we see fit, and you just mocked me for telling you what He told me, How do you think He would react to you? He would love you anyways, despite your mocking.

Then I would say it was not God talking to you, because each Christian getting his/her own planet does not line up with scripture..

Does watching a football game line up with Scriptures? Does eating a picnic line up with Scriptures, Here is something in the future, does me getting a pension line up with Scriptures, what about me getting social security, does that line up with Scriptures? If i say People can draw social security at the age of 62, and that does NOT line up with Scriptures, does that make the statement any less True? Just because i say something that does not line up with Scriptures does NOT make it untrue. Now if i said something that is contrary to Scriptures, that is a whole different story. i could say the same thing to you. consider;
You say "We do not get our own planet"
i could then reply exactly as you did. "That is not True, it does not line up with Scriptures." For which Scriptures teach that we Don't. As far as i know Scriptures teach we get whatsoever we desire, if then i desire a planet, who are you to say we don't one, if you desire a unicorn, that lays giant chicken eggs, who are you to say they don't get one.
God told me many things that is to come, that are not found in Scriptures, yet not one thing He has told me contradicts any Scriptures.
For example i seen in a vision of the antichrist, he was holding a handheld computer, screen and keyboard present, his hand went in between the screen and the keyboard and he was typing on it with his right hand. This device tracks ever single person with the chip, satellite tracking is the least of its capabilities. a few years later i had a dream of a cop walking down a city sidewalk, and he was carrying the same handheld computer, what i saw that was extremely odd, is not the cop carrying the same device the antichrist had, but what i noticed is that all people treated that cop like he was a God, bowing down as he walked, not eye contact with him at all. Also saw the antichrist on TV and this is what He said "Where is your God now?" This being said after the world, and i mean the entire world is in destruction, Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, floods, fires, asteroid impacts like crazy, people running around in no direction at all, scared, all of them wandering why has God allowed this to happen, how can a LOVING God let this happen. And when doubt is at 100%, not only the Christian faith, but all faiths in the entire world, then you will hear him, saying "Where is your God now?" Then he goes into great detail how everyone should put away their religious beliefs, and come together as a human nation, It is at this time, there will be a great falling away from all faiths in the world, united under one banner, the human one. survival of the human race banner.

All of this That God revealed to me, does not line up with Scriptures, but i will tell you the Truth, it does not contradict it, and i KNOW it will happen exactly as He told me it will.
He already assured me, it is not my calling to convince you of the Truth, it is only my calling to present the Truth to you, what you do with it, is on you, my hands are clean.

.But each of us becoming our own ruler of our world to form as we desire is from the devil, because the word says he is the god of this world and seeks to exalt himself above God..

Who told you that you become a Ruler of a world, i did not tell you that, God did not tell you that, where did that information come from? Who told you, that you Rule over a world? i said all the Saints will get a planet to design and form as they see fit, and that is all i have said, NOTHING at all about Ruling there, this planet is merely your house in the Universe. a gift from the Most High.

..ANYTHING that exalts itself above GOD is a partner with the powers of darkness..

i 100% agree, And who told you the lie that i said you are a Ruler over a planet, whoever told you that LIE, is under the powers of darkness, because satan is the Father of lies.

.By you stating we could form a world according to how we see fit takes away God...and makes us our own gods...

Have you never read "ye are gods"? we are children of God offspring of God Himself, what does that mean to you? if i have a Father (God) and i am His offspring, what does that make me? a horse? an animal? Tell me what is an offspring of a Bear? a Bear. What is an offspring of a Horse? a Horse. what is an offspring of a apple tree? an apple tree. Are you seeing how it works. We are children of God, because we are His offspring. Even satan is an offspring of God, he is immortal, even as the spirit that is within us is also immortal, This is why you will either spend eternity with God, or spend eternity separated from God, either way, you are immortal, and will spend eternity one place or the other.
Is it not written that the Father is God?
Is it not written that Jesus is God?
Is it not written that the Father and Jesus are ONE? Yes.
Is it not written that we are ONE with them? Yes we are.
If then we are ONE with God, what does that make us?
Please note i am not talking about NOW, while we are in the flesh, bound to this flesh, until we receive our Glorified Bodies we are nothing but wretched flesh, filthy rags. But our Glorified Bodies, we are Gods, because we are children, offspring of the Living God in Heaven, we were created immortal, we were created children of God. We have been put on this Earth to be tested. Those who LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will be accepted into Heaven, those who fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will be rejected. Because all those who fail to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, love self more. The Kingdom of Heaven will not take anyone in, who is selfish. The Kingdom of Heaven only desires those who LOVE OTHER more than their own self, like satan and his followers loved self. All sin is selfishness.

let the stone throwing commence.

^i^ Responding to Post #191

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

Do you seriously think satan does not know what is to come to pass, He knows the Bible better than we do. He knows what is to come to pass, He is given the power to make things come to pass as well.
For example a demon can reveal to physic to tell a woman that she will meat a brown haired man with blue eye within a week, and fall head over heels in love. And lo and behold because the woman puts faith in the soothsayer, satan is able to make it come to pass exactly as foretold. So even though it came to pass, it was NOT from God.
You would do well to understand your enemy. If you don't think he knows the future and what is to come, you will be more easily duped by him.

Satan is not all knowing[omniscient] and certainly not everywhere at once...[omnipresent]

Really? So you know a place i can go, where satan is not at? Please tell. You do error not knowing or understanding the Truth. a lone man by himself, stranded on an island nobody has ever heard of, well guess what, satan is there too. Are you suggesting that man can't sin, because satan is not everywhere? Again, tell us all the place where satan is not at. Right now satan is not on Mars. But i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if men stepped on Mars, then satan is there too. Lol, as if there is place that satan is not at. Seriously, tell me where satan is not at, so i can go there immediately and live the rest of my days without being tempted by him, tell us all.

Anyone who states this has fallen under his deception...It is evident you are not talking to the one true Living God, but conversing with the Angel of Light, who has you completely deceived...

believe as you will brother, i have not said one thing contrary to Scriptures, not one thing, and i teach over and over again to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and i teach against sinning, i teach things like STOP obeying the devil which is Jesus enemy. i teach all things the Bible teaches, Your master is to whom you obey, if you obey satan and commit sin when you are tempted, guess who your master is according to the Word of God. Yeah satan tell me to teach against sinning. i thought Jesus made it clear that a house divided against itself shall fall, yep satan teaches people to stop sinning, how is that not divided against himself? you believe as you believe, i have not failed to tell you the Truth, what you do with it, is on you.

Only Satan would tell you he is AS GOD is.....

According to your own logic, then i guess the Word of God is satan. It is the Word of God that calls satan the god of this world, according to you only satan would tell you he is a god, yet the Scriptures teach us plainly that satan is the god of this world, you do not understand the Truth, if you did, you would believe the Word of God.

For the record, Angels would not get you back on the right path, it crosses a kingdom mandate called free will and is the job of the person of the Holy Spirit....

Believe as you will, but when i was very young, and went to a Christian camp for two week, what i saw of Christians there made me want to give up Christianity for ever, if being a Christian was like that, i wanted not part of it, then an Angel of God talked with me, then i was back on track, where He wanted me to be. The other time, was in 1994, when He told me that i must stop sinning, i ran from him then, wanted nothing to do with it, i was not willing to give up sinning. i lived like the devil then, nothing to stop me, if i was running from God, i wasn't going to live Godly. After many months is this LOST condition, God sent an Angel to me, and the Angels one statement got me back on Track again, i stopped living like the devil, and started on the path of righteousness, because of that Angel of God. But there are always consequences to your actions, because i ran in 1994, i have not communicated with Him since, He will not speak with me as He did before. crying now. i should never have ran, oh how i would that He speak with me as He did before, i have repented crying and weeping, i have repented a million times, He still will not speak to me. crying some more now. i know full well how sorrowful Adam was when he was kicked out of the Garden of Eden, one mess up, and never again will he step foot in the Garden. i communicated with God on a regular basis, then i ran, and have never heard from Him again. sorry, i am done for the night.

Demons however would tell you they could do this...

you should go by DecievedDave.....the hand you are holding is not the nail scared hand of Jesus, but the angle of light....you ae in complete lock step with him my friend....[/QUOTE]

 

[The_highwayman]

DiscipleDave said



Really? So you know a place i can go, where satan is not at? Please tell. You do error not knowing or understanding the Truth. a lone man by himself, stranded on an island nobody has ever heard of, well guess what, satan is there too. Are you suggesting that man can't sin, because satan is not everywhere? Again, tell us all the place where satan is not at. Right now satan is not on Mars. But i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if men stepped on Mars, then satan is there too. Lol, as if there is place that satan is not at. Seriously, tell me where satan is not at, so i can go there immediately and live the rest of my days without being tempted by him, tell us all.



believe as you will brother, i have not said one thing contrary to Scriptures, not one thing, and i teach over and over again to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and i teach against sinning, i teach things like STOP obeying the devil which is Jesus enemy. i teach all things the Bible teaches, Your master is to whom you obey, if you obey satan and commit sin when you are tempted, guess who your master is according to the Word of God. Yeah satan tell me to teach against sinning. i thought Jesus made it clear that a house divided against itself shall fall, yep satan teaches people to stop sinning, how is that not divided against himself? you believe as you believe, i have not failed to tell you the Truth, what you do with it, is on you.



According to your own logic, then i guess the Word of God is satan. It is the Word of God that calls satan the god of this world, according to you only satan would tell you he is a god, yet the Scriptures teach us plainly that satan is the god of this world, you do not understand the Truth, if you did, you would believe the Word of God.



Believe as you will, but when i was very young, and went to a Christian camp for two week, what i saw of Christians there made me want to give up Christianity for ever, if being a Christian was like that, i wanted not part of it, then an Angel of God talked with me, then i was back on track, where He wanted me to be. The other time, was in 1994, when He told me that i must stop sinning, i ran from him then, wanted nothing to do with it, i was not willing to give up sinning. i lived like the devil then, nothing to stop me, if i was running from God, i wasn't going to live Godly. After many months is this LOST condition, God sent an Angel to me, and the Angels one statement got me back on Track again, i stopped living like the devil, and started on the path of righteousness, because of that Angel of God. But there are always consequences to your actions, because i ran in 1994, i have not communicated with Him since, He will not speak with me as He did before. crying now. i should never have ran, oh how i would that He speak with me as He did before, i have repented crying and weeping, i have repented a million times, He still will not speak to me. crying some more now. i know full well how sorrowful Adam was when he was kicked out of the Garden of Eden, one mess up, and never again will he step foot in the Garden. i communicated with God on a regular basis, then i ran, and have never heard from Him again. sorry, i am done for the night.

Demons however would tell you they could do this...

you should go by DecievedDave.....the hand you are holding is not the nail scared hand of Jesus, but the angle of light....you ae in complete lock step with him my friend....

[/QUOTE]


Dave nothing you state here changes anything, I have tested everything you have stated through scripture and you fall short...and you fall short big time.....you need to repent and seek the one true God and not gnostic experiences that have opened the door and pathways for the devil to decievie you....

 

[The_highwayman]

Believe as you will, but when i was very young, and went to a Christian camp for two week, what i saw of Christians there made me want to give up Christianity for ever, if being a Christian was like that, i wanted not part of it, then an Angel of God talked with me, then i was back on track, where He wanted me to be. The other time, was in 1994, when He told me that i must stop sinning, i ran from him then, wanted nothing to do with it, i was not willing to give up sinning. i lived like the devil then, nothing to stop me, if i was running from God, i wasn't going to live Godly. After many months is this LOST condition, God sent an Angel to me, and the Angels one statement got me back on Track again, i stopped living like the devil, and started on the path of righteousness, because of that Angel of God. But there are always consequences to your actions, because i ran in 1994, i have not communicated with Him since, He will not speak with me as He did before. crying now. i should never have ran, oh how i would that He speak with me as He did before, i have repented crying and weeping, i have repented a million times, He still will not speak to me. crying some more now. i know full well how sorrowful Adam was when he was kicked out of the Garden of Eden, one mess up, and never again will he step foot in the Garden. i communicated with God on a regular basis, then i ran, and have never heard from Him again. sorry, i am done for the night.

these statements prove you avhe no understanding of the Bible...Angles do not do the job of the Holy Spirit...

 

[The_highwayman]

You will know who is false, if they teach ANYTHING that is contrary to the Word of God. The Word of God is what you use to test them. If they are saying ANYTHING that is contrary to sound doctrine, they are false. However there are they that are True and not false. And many will accuse them of teaching things contrary to Scriptures and call them false, but those who are True, do not teach anything that is contrary to Scriptures, but most assuredly contrary to what people today call Truth.
For example i teach many things, And even though those many things do not contradict ANY Scriptures, they do contradict what people believe is the Truth, therefore because what i teach is contrary to what they THINK is the Truth, yet does not contradict Scriptures themselves, will accuse me of teaching false doctrines and call me a false.
Again, you can tell who are false and who are True, by what they teach. if they teach ANYTHING that is contrary to SCRIPTURES, then they are false. That is how you test them.

^i^ Responding to Post #184

thank you for describing your own self....nothing you have posted lines up with the word of God...

 

[presidente]

You will know who is false, if they teach ANYTHING that is contrary to the Word of God. The Word of God is what you use to test them. If they are saying ANYTHING that is contrary to sound doctrine, they are false. However there are they that are True and not false. And many will accuse them of teaching things contrary to Scriptures and call them false, but those who are True, do not teach anything that is contrary to Scriptures, but most assuredly contrary to what people today call Truth.

I think what you are saying is false. Or at least, overstating your case.

The false teachers of II Peter 2 aren't just people who are off a bit in their doctrine. They are damned and they are leading others into error and sin. Teachers who teach error will be held to a higher standard of judgment. But a 'false teacher' is someone who shouldn't be a teacher at all.

Do you think that if a teacher disagrees with you on a point of doctrine, that he is false, or do you only count 'big doctrines' as 'Truth.'

 

[presidente]

DiscipleDave said

Where are the requirements to be an apostle written in Scriptures?

You say "just one of the twelve. Paul was Never one of the Twelve, yet he was an Apostle, because he saw Jesus Christ and spoke with Him, Paul must not have ever heard or seen Him speak in while He was walking the Earth, either, because Paul did not even recognize Him, when he saw Him, True He could have looked differently. But you say there is a list of requirements to be an Apostle, where? Because as far as i know, all those who were called Apostles seen Jesus Christ.[/quote]


There is a list of requirements to replace Judas in Acts 1. I don't see a list of requirements to be an apostle in the broader sense in scripture, but we can infer things about apostles from what the Bible teaches.

In I Corinthians 15, Paul says that Jesus appeared to the 12 before appearing to Himself. Judas was likely dead before the resurrection, but we know that Matthias was a witness of the resurrection.

The Bible calls both Paul and Barnabas 'apostles', but we don't know if Barnabas saw Jesus. We don't know if the other people called apostles who aren't part of the 12 saw Jesus: Apollos, Timothy, Silas. The exception to that would be James the Lord's brother, who is probably the James who saw Jesus listed in I Corinthians 15.

 

[Stephen63]

Strange..... some people staunchly demand scripture for everything , then take it for granted that apostles HAD to see Jesus alive in order to be an apostle.

Paul gets "permission" from the modern church because Jesus 'appeared' to him. Then, the instant judgement is made that Jesus doesn't appear to anyone outside the Bible 'cuz they say so. How convenient...... & all without a single scripture. There's a name for people like that.....

 

[Stephen63]

BTW, most of these people say the same for prophets, too.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Strange..... some people staunchly demand scripture for everything , then take it for granted that apostles HAD to see Jesus alive in order to be an apostle.

Paul gets "permission" from the modern church because Jesus 'appeared' to him. Then, the instant judgement is made that Jesus doesn't appear to anyone outside the Bible 'cuz they say so. How convenient...... & all without a single scripture. There's a name for people like that.....

Paul getting permission where is that part? Not in that certain men coming down from Judaea part, that was them insisting he go to Jerusalem to ask about their own questions seeing they knew him not by faith, but they all backed the argument against those he was arguing with.

 

[Stephen63]

What I don't get is they'll get their "judgements" from church history books written centuries later by the RCC, all the while they themselves 'claim' to be protestants......kind of ridiculous, isn't it?

 

[Stephen63]

Paul getting permission where is that part? Not in that certain men coming down from Judaea part, that was them insisting he go to Jerusalem to ask about their own questions seeing they knew him not by faith, but they all backed the argument against those he was arguing with.

I was actually making the statement that today's naysayers of apostles & prophets "allow" Paul's apostleship because he had a vision of Christ......then make it clear that after that, nobody else can have a vision of Him. They either create laws outta thin air to prove their point, or they'll quote some RCC book written centuries later that creates the law for them.

Matthew 15:7-9 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I was actually making the statement that today's naysayers of apostles & prophets "allow" Paul's apostleship because he had a vision of Christ......then make it clear that after that, nobody else can have a vision of Him. They either create laws outta thin air to prove their point, or they'll quote some RCC book written centuries later that creates the law for them.

Matthew 15:7-9 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP]Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [SUP]8 [/SUP]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I gotcha, he seemed to seal up Pauls own instruction by a vision (being one of two men between the same) and the Lord as the other witness (to both) and in both Peter and Paul.

Paul said he would go onto visions and revelations from the Lord

I dont know who believes what Im just always curious where they might justify or condemn a thing.

Thanks

 

[kennethcadwell]

DiscipleDave said :



You say that people SHOULD study the original Greek and Hebrew, Tell me what can be learned in the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts that the HOLY SPIRIT of God can't reveal to a person? i mean if there was information in the Hebrew and Greek that the Holy Spirit of God does not reveal, then i would also say People SHOULD study the original Greek and Hebrew. But if EVERYTHING can be learned from the Holy Spirit of Truth, whey would i need to go to the Hebrew and Greek to learn Truths that the Holy Ghost can teach me?

You say

If the Holy Spirit is the main guiding tool, why would you need the tool called Hebrew and Greek? The Hebrew and Greek is a tool, but is not a Main Tool. If i can use the Main Tool, why would i go and use a lesser tool? Going to the Hebrew and Greek as a tool to glean Truth and lets say you learn something, at BEST, because it came from your own learning and understanding, it MIGHT be True, MAY be a Truth. Something that comes from the Spirit, you KNOW is Truth.
For example, those who are Spiritually led, KNOW that Jesus is the Son of God, NOT because the Bible says so, NOT because Hebrew and Greek says so, NOT because preachers teach it, They just KNOW it is TRUE, That Truth comes from the Spirit and not from any earthly documents (ie. Hebrew/Greek/KJV/Bibles/Books/Preachers/Humans) You KNOW He is the Son of God, because the Spirit has revealed it to you, not because Other things has revealed it to you. Other things only present the Truth to you, it is the Spirit that allows you to believe it with all your HEART.

The Spirit of Truth can reveal Truths to you, a person need not go to Hebrew or Greek, they merely need to turn to God, in prayer, and in study of the Bible, One does not NEED to, or even SHOULD study the Hebrew and Greek. You your own self, gave a warning in going to the Hebrew and Greek.



Why? Why should they be careful, what could go wrong in studying the original languages? It is that very reason that people should not study it, it will only add to the Confusion that is prevalent today. But i am curious as to why you say people should be careful, i know why they should be careful, and know what type of people belong to the Last Days generation, and what this type of people would do if they did study the Hebrew and Greek, we witness them even now, but WHY be careful? i would like to hear WHY you say that why should they be careful?



And you did this for what reason? Is it not so they would believe as you do, and you use the Hebrew and Greek as a means to imply that you are right, because you have taken that word, or verse the Hebrew and Greek?



understand, i really do. And i use to do "If you take that word to the Hebrew/Greek " thing as well. Now i don't mention that at all. i have found that 99% of the time i can recall Scriptures that contradict what they are saying, without ever mentioning Hebrew or Greek. Another Truth that i have learned is this. If a person does not believe what the Scriptures plainly teach, they will in no way whatsoever then believe it when i bring up Hebrew and Greek. If a person does not believe Scriptures, they will not believe Hebrew and Greek either. i will tell you another Truth, and this is from me, not the Lord, from my own personal experience. Many who study Hebrew and Greek, only causes more damage to the Truth, then it does helping reveal the Truth. Again, that is my opinion, and not from the Lord, and since it is my opinion, i could be dead wrong in that assumption, i am only basing that opinion on what i have experienced personally from those who know Hebrew and Greek.



There is no Biblical evidence that pizza exists either. Does not change the fact that it does exist. And you say side with me, maybe i did not make it clear, it is not from me, but from Him who told me that thing. If you do not agree, that is your choice, but don't say you don't side with me, when the Truth is you are not siding with Him who told me that thing. Now i do believe it is True, because i know to whom told me that thing, but you can not know who told me, and therefore do not believe, this i understand, and do not fault you for it. But answer me this, when in the last days God spirit will pour out upon the sons and daughter and they shall prophesy, what do you think they will prophesy about? Things that are already in the Word of God, and people have been prophesying those things for over 2000 years now. Why would God pour out His spirit so that those sons and daughters can prophesy things that are already in the Bible? Nay, you do not understand, They will prophesy NEW things, things that God will reveal to them, Things that were secret, sealed up, hidden. All for one reason, a last attempt to warn and to get the children of the last days generation to believe the Truth. and change their current sinful path, to a path that will be pleasing to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.



i know not what they believe. or what they talk about.



You are correct, Can you can give Biblical backing that one can become an Apostle NOT ever seeing Jesus? Scriptures please. Far as i know, all those who were called Apostles, have seen Jesus Christ. One of the requirements to replace Judas, to be one of the 12 Apostles, was that they had to have seen Jesus coming and going with them. i could be wrong about what an Apostle is, but it seems to me (my opinion) that to be an Apostle you should have seen Jesus Christ. Are there any Apostles mentioned in the Scriptures that were Apostles that never did see Jesus Christ? i don't know of any, again could be wrong. And there are mentions of Apostles like Barnabas, but we don't know if he has seen Jesus Christ or not, it does not say he never did. It is things like this, that i wish i still communicated with God, i would put this in a list that i would ask Him about this matter and He would tell me.



Yes i understand, Are the reasons they were made Apostles pointed out? Why did Peter and Paul appoint them as Apostles, and not Disciples, or Teachers, or Elects, why Apostles? And you say there was no mention made if they saw Christ or NOT. exactly, are you saying they DID NOT ever see Him, how do you know they NEVER seen Him, that also is not in Scriptures. So i have no Biblical backing that they did see Jesus, but likewise you have no Biblical backing that says they didn't, is that correct? As i said i could be wrong on what an Apostle is, if He ever starts talking to me again, Lord willing, i will ask Him about that.



And these Biblical Scholars, did they study Hebrew and Greek? yet you say that these who have studied Hebrew and Greek miss the mark 95% of the time. Tell me do you know any Biblical Scholars that have not studied Hebrew and Greek, i wander if they miss the mark 95% of the time as well. i wouldn't think they would, The problem is, what learned Biblical Scholar does not study Hebrew and Greek?

^i^ Responding to Post #187

Yes I did say people should study the Greek and Hebrew, but and this is the big part of it, letting the Holy Spirit guide them in that study. The bible says we are to take and be ready to shut down false teaching, so how does one do that if they do not know the original Greek and Hebrew words and their full meaning to counteract those who misuse them. We would not be able to.
I have seen few who have misused the meanings of pisteuo (belief) and echo for their understanding of how these Greek words are used and applied in scripture. Pisteuo they use to say just believe in something, but the full meaning is a continuation of believing in something (Lord) that leads unto something (salvation). And they use echo to say just to have in hand, but the full definition is to have in hand as a mental possession/assurance of. Put together they give the full context of continuing to believe in the Lord will assure one of receiving salvation. If what I just said is not the true definition as some debate and say it is not for salvation is physically ours now, then many other scriptures would contradict this.

I never said the biblical scholars did not study Hebrew and Greek, as what I actually said is that we need to use caution and let the Holy Spirit give us the understanding of the word. Else even if you study the original you will still end up in false understanding. The other thing was the planets you say we all get, as I said I do not agree because no biblical evidence for one and the other is that which is perfect comes no more prophecy is left to be fulfilled. If we get our own planets then that would mean a prophecy will still be left to fulfill after the New Heaven and Earth come. Can not be as all prophecy is fulfilled at this point.