Pros and Cons Speaking in Tongues

[UnderGrace]

It is true that I have yet to see anyone change their mind on this message board.....of course we can still hope.

LOL I'd be wrong......so funny, considering this phenomena emerged in Topeka Kansas in 1901 at some supposed revival, before that ecstatic utterances while seen in different places on the globe was not part of the church but of the pagan world.

I actually believe that all these signs and wonders deeply grieve God's heart that we are continually having to affirm our faith by some emotional manifestation.

I am very very glad you realize all the charlatans and babblers that exist, and I do believe that if God needed someone to have this gift to bear witness to the gospel to an unbeliever than in His sovereignty He would do that.

Edification is not an emotional experience, it is to increase in knowledge and deepen our understanding and faith about God.

If there is no interpretation with this tongue which some consider to be a foreign angelic language then how can anyone's knowledge be deepened.

I have the Spirit of Jesus and God's written word, they are what edify.

Simply put .... that just does not seem to be enough for those who seek after signs and wonders.

See now, this is the tough point. The last 14 pages have been filled with scripture saying so, so would one more repeating of it really make any difference? And yeah you could make the same point but then you'd be wrong

The proof is in the pudding. Yes there are fakes and frauds and charlatans and blabbers and arrogants and all kind of weird stuff going on out there.

But there is also a lot of true genuine edification of believers and their assemblies going on as well. The pudding proves that.

God says He wants us to. satan doesn't want us to. Who ya gonna call?

 

[RickyZ]

I actually believe that all these signs and wonders deeply grieve God's heart that we are continually having to affirm our faith by some emotional manifestation.

See, that's the issue. It's not affirming faith, it's putting faith to work for edification.

I believe what grieves God's heart is that so many of His people refuse to acknowledge, much less put to use, something He repeatedly said He wants us to do.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

According to Apostle Paul in that 1 Cor.12 chapter, diversities of tongues is the LEAST OF the gifts from The Holy Spirit!! It's the very last one... on Paul's list!

If/when God energizes the manifestation of kinds of tongues in the life of the believer, does that mean the believer is the LEAST in the sight of God?

Is the non-tongues-speaking-believer greater than the tongues-speaking-believer?

Both are rhetorical questions and no answer is required, but the questions are posed in the hopes that someone will actually think about the answers to those questions and how the statement that tongues is the LEAST of the gifts is a non-issue. If God asks me to do anything, if it be something that others consider beneath them, I'll do it, and be happy to do it, for my Heavenly Father.

SO THOSE WHO CLAIM IF YOU DON'T SPEAK THE BABEL GIBBERISH THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT NEED TO QUIT LISTENING TO DEVILS THAT HAVE GOTTEN POWER OVER THEM AND COME BACK TO JESUS CHRIST ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD!

If a believer tells another believer he/she is not born again because he/she does not speak in tongues, the believer who says such needs to be brought aside and taught the truth of Scripture more perfectly.

On the other hand, believers in whom God energizes the manifestation are just as tired of hearing that when they speak in tongues they are speaking a "gibberish tongue to prove they have The Holy Spirit" or that they are "speaking from the devil".



1 Corinthians 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit ...

The manifestation is worked out, energized [the word worketh is the Greek word energeō, or energized] --- the manifestation is worked out in the life of the believer by the Holy Spirit. So when someone says that the believer who speaks in tongues is "speaking from the devil", they are calling the Holy Spirit the devil. Shame, shame, shame ...

 

[garee]

List from best to worst? Where do you find that? We find a list but not one that list one gift of God above the other. The last if needed could be the first. After all if a person needs a tongue to hear the other persons language and they need my language interpreted what good would the Spirit of the word of wisdom;or to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; if a person has no knowledge of what is being said or knew if the other understood . In that case, before tongues as well as all new prophecy ceased it could of been the first manifestation needed to hear God and not hear gibberish form both sides>.

What we find rather is the best way to seek after gifts called love. But love has its diversity of works. The first work of love of course love is it is patience if not the second in the list could never do its work. Love is Kind. No patience no need for kindness

 

[lifeconnects]

List from best to worst? Where do you find that? We find a list but not one that list one gift of God above the other. The last if needed could be the first. After all if a person needs a tongue to hear the other persons language and they need my language interpreted what good would the Spirit of the word of wisdom;or to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; if a person has no knowledge of what is being said or knew if the other understood . In that case, before tongues as well as all new prophecy ceased it could of been the first manifestation needed to hear God and not hear gibberish form both sides>.

What we find rather is the best way to seek after gifts called love. But love has its diversity of works. The first work of love of course love is it is patience if not the second in the list could never do its work. Love is Kind. No patience no need for kindness

yes! true, amen

 

[RBA238]

Well that is not what Hebrews 2:4 states, it says He distributes according to His will, not according to our seeking. I see no place in scripture where each person is assured to receive the gift of speaking in tongues ( a language).

According to what Paul is teaching the only appropriate place for this to occur, since tongues is speaking in a foreign language,

is when A (who is saved) meets B (who is unsaved and foreign), and B hears the Gospel from A in his own language. But, as he speaks, A has no idea what he is saying. Yet, B hears what he says, perfectly! Afterwards, A will not know what he said, unless B translates through another person who is present and who speaks both languages!

That this may still happen, that is up to God, however the need for this has dramatically decreased since the times of the apostles.

If however you redefine tongues as a private prayer language, then I would say you are adding to scripture something that is not there.

There ate two kinds of Tongues spoken of in the Bible. (1) Tongues where people speak in a Foreign language they normally could not speak in (Read Acts Chapter Two) Unknown Tongues. Which is a Heavenly language only God unserstands, and His Spirit gives that to those he will. It edifys the Lord and only he can interpret it.

 

[fredoheaven]

The "unknown tongue" refers to the foreign language that the Corinthian Church cannot understand hence it requires interpreter. Even women are not permitted to speak in the church and speaking in "unknown tongue" is no more.

 

[RobbyEarl]

The "unknown tongue" refers to the foreign language that the Corinthian Church cannot understand hence it requires interpreter. Even women are not permitted to speak in the church and speaking in "unknown tongue" is no more.

Has nothing to with Corinthians as they spoke Greek

1 Corinthians 14
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Here Paul is saying that I will pray with my understanding and i will pray in tongues without my understanding for it is the Spirit that prays through me.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Also Paul was not present at the day of Pentecost He busy putting Christians in prison and stoning Steven.

 

[fredoheaven]

Also Paul was not present at the day of Pentecost He busy putting Christians in prison and stoning Steven.

You're quite correct here...

 

[RobbyEarl]

I'm thinking Pizza how bout yall ( as the stomach growls)?

 

[RBA238]

Has nothing to with Corinthians as they spoke Greek

1 Corinthians 14
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Here Paul is saying that I will pray with my understanding and i will pray in tongues without my understanding for it is the Spirit that prays through me.

Unknown tounges is where a person speaks in a foreign language they normally don't speak or understand. Tongues, is speaking to God that noone, including the person speaking, understands; only The Lord..

 

[Talishi]

Unknown tounges is where a person speaks in a foreign language they normally don't speak or understand. Tongues, is speaking to God that noone, including the person speaking, understands; only The Lord..

And if people are speaking babble to show how holy they are, verily I say to you, they have their reward.

 

[mpaper345]

Hello everybody, please help me to know about Speaking in Tongues.

Is it biblical the current practice of Speaking in Tongues with other churches?

If No or Yes, then why?

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

People confuse this and think that the operations in the early Church ceased,and are not for today,but the operation of the Church is the operation of the Church,so if they were for the early Church,they are for today,for nothing has changed concerning the condition of the world.

Also if they believe they have ceased,it states,where there be prophesies,they shall cease,which all prophesy could of not ceased back then,for there is still prophesy concerning the future,mainly Jesus' second coming,and it states knowledge has ceased,but we know that all scripture is given by inspiration of God,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction,for instruction in righteousness,which how can that knowledge cease,and any knowledge concerning God and His words will never cease while we are on earth,for that is the only knowledge it can be seeing it is concerning the Church.

Although prophesy can cease when it comes to pass,there is still future prophesy,and the past prophesy told to us by God always comes in to play as a testimony that God is true,for the prophesy that has come to pass testifies more than the prophesy that has not happened yet.

It also states that out of faith,hope,and charity,which is love in action,that charity is the greatest.

But how is it the greatest.It is because faith and hope are only needed on this earth,for they are not needed in heaven,for faith and hope does not apply then because you are there and can see the heavenly kingdom,so faith and hope become void.

But charity,love in action,will go on forever.,which out of all the things we do on earth,and have learned,the only thing that will remain out of all we did,is love,which the Bible says that when the saints are in the New Jerusalem,after the millennial reign of Christ,which will be the new earth,and the new heaven,that Jesus went to prepare for the saints,that the former things have passed away,and will not be remembered,or come to mind.

So when the saints are in the New Jerusalem,all former things will have passed,and the saints will not remember anything concerning the old earth,and the old heaven,or anybody they knew,and what they did.

All things that the saints did on earth,in their sinful days,and for the kingdom of God when they were saved,will not be remembered,but the only thing that will remain is charity,love in action,which the saints will not remember showing love in the past on earth,but it will be the only thing that goes on and on.

When the saints are in the New Jerusalem,it will be as if they were always there,and have been no place else,and only know what they know there,which is only love,and rebellion will never come up again.

So when Paul says those things will cease,he might not be saying they will cease during the operation of the Church on earth,but they will cease when the saints are in heaven,for they are not needed in heaven,the same as faith and hope are not needed in heaven,but will always be in operation as long as the Church is on earth.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Without writing a book. Speaking in tongues is the initially evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit. It is evident throughout the NT. Some will say it was only for the Apostles on the day of Pentecost, However Paul was not present, He was bust putting Christians in prison and stoning Steven. Paul would go on to say that I pray with my understanding and I pray in the Spirit. So what was He talking about?

To pray in our understanding is to pray our will, to Pray in the Spirit (tongues) is to pray God's will as the Spirit pray's through us. This is not to be confused with the gift of tongues and interpretation which equals prophecy.

Speaking in tongues is just as legitimate today as healing is. The perfect has not come. Some will say "we have the perfect word of God" yes we do, but we are still not perfect. The only perfect person is Jesus Christ and He is not here, sitting at the right hand of the Father until His enemies are made His footstool.

The perfect comes when Christ returns, Until then miracles will happen, healings will happen and speaking in tongues will happen if you are willing. Again with out writing a book, in a nut shell. Amen

 

[trofimus]

Without writing a book. Speaking in tongues is the initially evidence of being baptized in the Holy Spirit. It is evident throughout the NT. Some will say it was only for the Apostles on the day of Pentecost, However Paul was not present, He was bust putting Christians in prison and stoning Steven. Paul would go on to say that I pray with my understanding and I pray in the Spirit. So what was He talking about?

To pray in our understanding is to pray our will, to Pray in the Spirit (tongues) is to pray God's will as the Spirit pray's through us. This is not to be confused with the gift of tongues and interpretation which equals prophecy.

Speaking in tongues is just as legitimate today as healing is. The perfect has not come. Some will say "we have the perfect word of God" yes we do, but we are still not perfect. The only perfect person is Jesus Christ and He is not here, sitting at the right hand of the Father until His enemies are made His footstool.

The perfect comes when Christ returns, Until then miracles will happen, healings will happen and speaking in tongues will happen if you are willing. Again with out writing a book, in a nut shell. Amen

Can you explain to me, why will tongues cease when the perfect come?

You are describing tongues as a sign of Holy Spirit in us, as praying God's will etc. So why should it ever cease? I see no reason, if it is what you say it is.

 

[Dude653]

There are some denominations who don't believe in speaking in tongues but I find it hard to believe that every person who does it is faking

 

[garee]

There are some denominations who don't believe in speaking in tongues but I find it hard to believe that every person who does it is faking

Being deceived does not mean one is faking.

Tongues is an interpretation from God it is after no man.

 

[CS1]

Being deceived does not mean one is faking.

Tongues is an interpretation from God it is after no man.

I do not understand this point?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Can you explain to me, why will tongues cease when the perfect come?

Right now, in our day and time, we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part. We are restricted due to the limitations of what occurred to mankind when Adam fell.

1 Corinthians 13:

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.



God does not withhold any good thing from His children and He gives us as much as we are capable of having/utilizing. In this lifetime, God considers us as children (no matter how mature we are or become in Christ). God also assures us that in the future (when we are no longer children), we will put away the childish things of this lifetime:

1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man [an adult -- not man as in gender], I put away childish things.



After we become adults (which will not occur in this lifetime, again, no matter how mature we are or become in Christ), and have put away the childish things God has graced us with in our lives on this earth, we will know even as also we are known. Until then, we see through a glass darkly and we know only in part:

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.



We think it amazing that we have the manifestation of the Spirit. But here in 1 Cor 13:8-12, we are told the manifestation is given in part and the manifestation is referred to as childish things (toys). We will put this away when we become adults. That will not occur in this lifetime. It will occur when we see face to face and when we know even as also [we are] known.