Protestant Church has in Common with the Catholic Church
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Genuine Christianity begins in Heaven, It began When Christ was crucified before Time and Dirt Were Created, absent from the 'stain' of man's religious wisdom and pride.. His Will as we speak is Carried out Daily as His Spirit Seeks His Lost sheep... this Church built upon the Blood of Christ, He that was crucified at the tree... Christ the Solid Foundation, His Complete Work, His True Church, flows thru Calvary and what He Accomplished! 'do you 'know' Him??? that will be the Decree of the Judge when He issues the Final Judgement upon the Wicked. as they stand before Him, ' I never Knew You' depart from Me. this Me? would be the Man , Christ Jesus, God manifest in the flesh! He that is ascended Into Paradise and seated at the Right Hand of the Father..... indeed!
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The problem with those who are leading most of the churches is that they do not understand the gospel. They do not understand that they are to be servants, that they are to turn from their sin. They exalt themselves above others, they are just like the pharisees and sadducees of Jesus day.
There are some good people leading some churches, but they are still missing the mark if they take for themselves a title and monopolize the meetings of the congregation, attempting to perform all the functions of the body of Christ by themselves.
There are some good people leading some churches, but they are still missing the mark if they take for themselves a title and monopolize the meetings of the congregation, attempting to perform all the functions of the body of Christ by themselves.
When folks see this CAUTION SIGN above do not read my thread because it is too long. Save yourself the heartache, confusion, complaining negative spirit behavior so you can have peace of mind! It is very simple do not READ THE thread because by now everyone know AQueen is long winded. If a person does not enjoy history, learning, studying, reading, theology, religion or posting, pasting, coping, and philosophy. DO NOT READ MY THREADS! It is very simple 0+0=0
America is at the bottom in reading, writing, math, science because our attention span is short . Adults wonder why their children attention span is short because the parents attention span is short. Everyone is being dumb down in America.
. . . in America, we have achieved the Orwellian prediction - enslaved, the people have been programmed to love their bondage and are left to clutch only mirage-like images of freedom, its fables and fictions. The new slaves are linked together by vast electronic chains of television that imprison not their bodies but their minds. Their desires are programmed, their tastes manipulated, their values set for them. " Gerry Spence, From Freedom to Slavery.
“Truth is often hard to swallow, so we rest in comfortable lies and delusions.”
– Dorothy Anne Seese, Freelance political writer
"As societies grow decadent, the language grows decadent, too. Words are used to disguise, not to illuminate, action: you liberate a city by destroying it. Words are to confuse, so that at election time people will solemnly vote against their own interests." - Gore Vidal
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Americans are subjected to a daily diet of stories that valorize the military while the storytellers pursue their own opportunistic political and commercial agendas. Aaron B. O'Connell
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There is only one True Church and the Catholic Church is not the True Church. You CANNOT call your Church a True Church when you reject the Truth in the Bible for the lies from Satan!
Jesus Christ is the Corner stone, Jesus Christ is the True Church. Jesus Christ is the rock that the True Church was built on.
Unfortunately today the Catholics have turned their backs of Jesus as being their foundation to build their Church on Mary as their foundation!
Jesus Christ is the Corner stone, Jesus Christ is the True Church. Jesus Christ is the rock that the True Church was built on.
Unfortunately today the Catholics have turned their backs of Jesus as being their foundation to build their Church on Mary as their foundation!
Protestants are always disagreeing against the Catholic doctrine, but do Christians know that two Churches have a common foundation! Both churches agreed abound since the foundation of the Christian faith. One Central Article of Faith:
Credo in unum Deum.....
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum......
Qui propeter nos homines,
Descendit de coelis,
Et incarnatus est....:
Et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis:
Sub Pontio Pilato passus,
Et sepultus est.
This is written in many forms so I will give you resources to study. I know few folks will complain that I am copying ,pasting and posting! Lool! It is important for folks to know theology, religion and biblical history to understand their faith and be knowledgeable of the foundation ones faith.
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[TD="align: center"][SIZE=+1]Symbolum Nicaenum
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[TD]The Symbolum Nicaenum, or Nicene Creed, has a complex history. It was first promulgated at the Council of Nicea (325), though in an abbreviated form from what we have below. St. Athanasius attributes its composition to the Papal Legate to the Council, Hossius of Cordova. The Creed is also sometimes called the Nicene-Constantinoplian Creed since it appears in the Acts of the Council of Constantinople (381), but it is clear that this Council is not the source of that composition for it appears in complete form in the Ancoratus of Epiphanius of Salamis some seven years earlier in 374. In any case, it was this text that appears in the Acts of the Council of Constantinople that was formally promulgated at Chalcedon in 451 and has come down to us as our present Nicene Creed.It was at the councils of Nicea and Constantinople that the true nature of Jesus was defended against two heresies that had sprung up. The Arians denied Christ's divinity and the Monophysites denied Christ's humanity. The councils, drawing upon the traditions handed down to them from the Apostles, condemned both heresies and declared that Jesus was indeed both true God and true man. In the 11th century this creed became part of the Mass. A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who recite the Symbolum Nicaenum.[/TD]
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[TD][SIZE=+3]C[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]REDO[/SIZE] in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium.[/TD]
[TD][SIZE=+3]I[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] BELIEVE[/SIZE] in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.[/TD]
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[TD]Et in unum Dominum Iesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum, et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero, genitum non factum, consubstantialem Patri; per quem omnia facta sunt.[/TD]
[TD]And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father; through Whom all things were made.[/TD]
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[TD]Qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis. Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine, et homo factus est.[/TD]
[TD]Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. He was made flesh by the Holy Spirit from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.[/TD]
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[TD]Crucifixus etiam pro nobis sub Pontio Pilato, passus et sepultus est, et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas, et ascendit in caelum, sedet ad dexteram Patris.[/TD]
[TD]He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; suffered, and was buried. On the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.[/TD]
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[TD]Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, iudicare vivos et mortuos, cuius regni non erit finis.[/TD]
[TD]He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and of His kingdom there shall be no end.[/TD]
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[TD]Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre Filioque procedit.[/TD]
[TD]And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son.[/TD]
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[TD]Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prophetas.[/TD]
[TD]Who, with the Father and the Son, is adored and glorified: Who has spoken through the Prophets.[/TD]
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[TD]Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.[/TD]
[TD]And I believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church.[/TD]
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[TD]Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum, et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.[/TD]
[TD]I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. And I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come. Amen.[/TD]
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1. Symbolum Nicaenum
2. Our Statement of Faith: The Nicene Creed
The Symbol of Faith (NICENE CREED), Divided into Twelve Articles
Also in PDF and RTF formats.CONCERNING GOD THE FATHER
I wonder would JESUS CHRIST agree abound the Nicene Creed? What is a Christian orthodoxy?
Credo in unum Deum.....
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum......
Qui propeter nos homines,
Descendit de coelis,
Et incarnatus est....:
Et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis:
Sub Pontio Pilato passus,
Et sepultus est.
This is written in many forms so I will give you resources to study. I know few folks will complain that I am copying ,pasting and posting! Lool! It is important for folks to know theology, religion and biblical history to understand their faith and be knowledgeable of the foundation ones faith.
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Nicene Creed[/SIZE][/TD]
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[TD]The Symbolum Nicaenum, or Nicene Creed, has a complex history. It was first promulgated at the Council of Nicea (325), though in an abbreviated form from what we have below. St. Athanasius attributes its composition to the Papal Legate to the Council, Hossius of Cordova. The Creed is also sometimes called the Nicene-Constantinoplian Creed since it appears in the Acts of the Council of Constantinople (381), but it is clear that this Council is not the source of that composition for it appears in complete form in the Ancoratus of Epiphanius of Salamis some seven years earlier in 374. In any case, it was this text that appears in the Acts of the Council of Constantinople that was formally promulgated at Chalcedon in 451 and has come down to us as our present Nicene Creed.It was at the councils of Nicea and Constantinople that the true nature of Jesus was defended against two heresies that had sprung up. The Arians denied Christ's divinity and the Monophysites denied Christ's humanity. The councils, drawing upon the traditions handed down to them from the Apostles, condemned both heresies and declared that Jesus was indeed both true God and true man. In the 11th century this creed became part of the Mass. A partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who recite the Symbolum Nicaenum.[/TD]
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[TD][SIZE=+3]C[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]REDO[/SIZE] in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem caeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium.[/TD]
[TD][SIZE=+3]I[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] BELIEVE[/SIZE] in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.[/TD]
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[TD]Et in unum Dominum Iesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum, et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero, genitum non factum, consubstantialem Patri; per quem omnia facta sunt.[/TD]
[TD]And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father; through Whom all things were made.[/TD]
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[TD]Qui propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis. Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine, et homo factus est.[/TD]
[TD]Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. He was made flesh by the Holy Spirit from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.[/TD]
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[TD]Crucifixus etiam pro nobis sub Pontio Pilato, passus et sepultus est, et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas, et ascendit in caelum, sedet ad dexteram Patris.[/TD]
[TD]He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; suffered, and was buried. On the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.[/TD]
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[TD]Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, iudicare vivos et mortuos, cuius regni non erit finis.[/TD]
[TD]He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and of His kingdom there shall be no end.[/TD]
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[TD]Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre Filioque procedit.[/TD]
[TD]And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son.[/TD]
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[TD]Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prophetas.[/TD]
[TD]Who, with the Father and the Son, is adored and glorified: Who has spoken through the Prophets.[/TD]
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[TD]Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.[/TD]
[TD]And I believe in one holy, catholic and apostolic Church.[/TD]
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[TD]Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum, et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.[/TD]
[TD]I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. And I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come. Amen.[/TD]
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1. Symbolum Nicaenum
2. Our Statement of Faith: The Nicene Creed
The Symbol of Faith (NICENE CREED), Divided into Twelve Articles
Also in PDF and RTF formats.CONCERNING GOD THE FATHER
ARTICLE 1
CONCERNING GOD THE SONI believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible:
ARTICLE 2
CONCERNING GOD THE HOLY SPIRITAnd in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all ages,
ARTICLE 3Light of Light, True God of True God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made:
ARTICLE 4Who for us men and for our salvation came down from the heavens, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man; And was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried;
ARTICLE 5And rose again on the third day, according to the Scriptures;
ARTICLE 6And ascended into the heavens, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father.
ARTICLE 7And shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.
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CONCERNING THE CHURCH, BAPTISM, THE RESURRECTION AND LAST THINGSAnd in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets;
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3. The Symbol of Faith (NICENE CREED), in 12 Articles, with linksIn One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
ARTICLE 10I Confess one Baptism for the remission of sins.
ARTICLE 11I look for the Resurrection of the dead,
ARTICLE 12And the life of the age to come. Amen.
I wonder would JESUS CHRIST agree abound the Nicene Creed? What is a Christian orthodoxy?
- Orthodox Christianity definition. The form of Christianity maintained by the Eastern Orthodox Church. Orthodox means “correct in teaching”; Orthodox Christians consider the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant churches to be incorrect in some teachings, including the relations between the persons of the Trinity.
- A comprehensive guide to what the Orthodox Church believes about a number of subjects including belief in: God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. TheOrthodox Church is the Church founded by JesusChrist and described throughout the New Testament.
"Credo in unum Deum.....
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum......
Qui propeter nos homines,
Descendit de coelis,
Et incarnatus est....:
Et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis:
Sub Pontio Pilato passus,
Et sepultus est. "
Is Latin, again, in fashion?
As I see that creed, it "reinforces" what the Bible itself says.
The only thing I think I would miss from them: Those good books they have, like Machabeus, Tobias, Wisdom and several others.
Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum......
Qui propeter nos homines,
Descendit de coelis,
Et incarnatus est....:
Et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis:
Sub Pontio Pilato passus,
Et sepultus est. "
Is Latin, again, in fashion?
As I see that creed, it "reinforces" what the Bible itself says.
The only thing I think I would miss from them: Those good books they have, like Machabeus, Tobias, Wisdom and several others.
You are sounding pretty sure of yourself here Mike. Care to back it up? You, Jackson123,valiant,notuptome,KenAllan, Can't remember who all else there was (been so many Lol) always post this Protestant/non-Catholic hub-bub. However, whenever I call you all on it, you always ignore me... Why is that??? So...... mi amigo, I will toss my challenge out to you (again) or to whomever else cares to accept my challenge. Now I quote:
"Show me any where in Catholic doctrine that is imprimatur, where it says that Catholics believe that Mary is equal to God and we are to worship her. If you can do that, I will denounce my Catholic faith and will join whatever church it is you belong. (What church might that be?) However, if you cannot, you would have to publicly admit on this forum that the Protestant/non-Catholic belief that Catholics worship Mary is a bald face lie. Willing to accept this challenge?"
The way I see it, if you decide "NOT" to accept this challenge, I, and others on this forum with any type of common sence, without hesitation, would have to accept what you say is...... and I say 'IS', nothing but a bald face lie. Now.... man up, and accept this challenge! Now if you wish to cower away from this challenge, so be it, for you are the one that has to live with yourself..... not me!
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----- Luke 1:48
"Show me any where in Catholic doctrine that is imprimatur, where it says that Catholics believe that Mary is equal to God and we are to worship her. If you can do that, I will denounce my Catholic faith and will join whatever church it is you belong. (What church might that be?) However, if you cannot, you would have to publicly admit on this forum that the Protestant/non-Catholic belief that Catholics worship Mary is a bald face lie. Willing to accept this challenge?"
The way I see it, if you decide "NOT" to accept this challenge, I, and others on this forum with any type of common sence, without hesitation, would have to accept what you say is...... and I say 'IS', nothing but a bald face lie. Now.... man up, and accept this challenge! Now if you wish to cower away from this challenge, so be it, for you are the one that has to live with yourself..... not me!
Pax Christi
"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ----- Luke 1:48
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Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with you.
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Praying to a mortal person (especially one who is dead) is impossible. So they must be praying to someone equal to God
Our Lord is with you.
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Praying to a mortal person (especially one who is dead) is impossible. So they must be praying to someone equal to God
Like DCControversial posted earlier:
I am neither catholic nor protestant..
Jesus' churches were around before Catholicism and they weren't Protestant because they didn't come out of Catholicism.
The only sense in which they were Protestant possibly is that they did protest against the Catholic church.. but they did not need to reform.
Yes there are baptist creeds.. and even baptists that came out of the Reformation.. but the nick name baptist is a very broad category.
Yes you can't trace a perfect line from the first of Jesus churches thru history.. to have a perfectly clear line of succession.. but you can see the same teaching in churches going from the NT churches to today unchanged.
*Independence of a local church family
*Worship of Jesus as God
*Full immersion baptism only and only of those who have professed faith in Christ. Not of infants.
*Jesus the Head of each local church family
*Ordinances of TITHING and the LORDS SUPPER
*Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus
*Bible is the Word of God-- inerrant, infallible
*Complete self-governance of each church
These markers you CAN trace thru history. Through the blood of the those persecuted in these churches.
So you think baptists have been around since only the 1500s Reformation?
Look at the TEACHING above.. not a perfectly line of churches unbroken. A lot of these churches didn't have the name baptist. Baptist is a nick name given.
I am neither catholic nor protestant..
Jesus' churches were around before Catholicism and they weren't Protestant because they didn't come out of Catholicism.
The only sense in which they were Protestant possibly is that they did protest against the Catholic church.. but they did not need to reform.
Yes there are baptist creeds.. and even baptists that came out of the Reformation.. but the nick name baptist is a very broad category.
Yes you can't trace a perfect line from the first of Jesus churches thru history.. to have a perfectly clear line of succession.. but you can see the same teaching in churches going from the NT churches to today unchanged.
*Independence of a local church family
*Worship of Jesus as God
*Full immersion baptism only and only of those who have professed faith in Christ. Not of infants.
*Jesus the Head of each local church family
*Ordinances of TITHING and the LORDS SUPPER
*Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus
*Bible is the Word of God-- inerrant, infallible
*Complete self-governance of each church
These markers you CAN trace thru history. Through the blood of the those persecuted in these churches.
So you think baptists have been around since only the 1500s Reformation?
Look at the TEACHING above.. not a perfectly line of churches unbroken. A lot of these churches didn't have the name baptist. Baptist is a nick name given.
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I don't believe there was one document that professed and spelled out the faith, other than the bible. It was written between 325 and 381 AD, by 300 bishops who were called together to defend the church against Arianism. Because of Arianism, Christ was not believed to be fully God.
This is a link to what I am trying to convey. I hope it explains more to those who are not sure and quells any misconceptions. It only makes sense to have the proper information, if you are going to argue.
This is a link to what I am trying to convey. I hope it explains more to those who are not sure and quells any misconceptions. It only makes sense to have the proper information, if you are going to argue.