Protestant Church has in Common with the Catholic Church

[WheresEnoch]

Check out this website (a pagan website) which tells some of the history and significance of the pine cone/tree in the devil's babylonian mystery religion.

The anti Christ nature of the Rcc among others is very very thinly veiled. Any study into these things with an open mind will open your eyes to the shocking truth. It is not Christian in the slightest way. It is a combination of worship to all the pagan deities ever known to man, just swap a couple of terms

History & Symbolism | Third Eye Pinecones

 

[valiant]

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Originally Posted by WheresEnoch

Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with you.
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

The Hail Mary is not a prayer of worship,

Of course it is a prayer of worship. The prayer is not reciting Scripture but is supposedly talking to Mary. It is hailing Mary in worship. We ask Jesus to pray for us. Roman Catholics similarly ask Mary to pray for them because of what they see as her semi-divine influence. They see her as a demi-god. You may not. Most do. They even think that she will know when they will die. Who but a demi-god could do that? I realise you try to cover it up when speaking to non-Roman Catholics, but it is plain enough. Let anyone see the Pope looking adoringly into the eyes of a statue of Mary on the Roman Catholic thread. They will soon see whether it is worship.

but it is a recitation of Scripture and then an asking of her "to pray" for us to God; much like asking our other Christain brothers and sisters to pray for us.

Do you really think sensible people will believe that? It is not a recitation of Scripture but a prayer on the basis of Scripture, except that Scripture never intended the words of an angel and the words of a woman whom Jesus refuted to be used in that way. You forget to add Jesus words. 'YES RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and do it.'

So a billion Roman Catholics around the world all pray to Mary at once and expect her to hear them? And they only see her as 'another human being'? Some human being!!!!!. The whole thing is absurd and is heresy,

Incorrect.... The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us.

Nonsense!!!!!

Thus in Psalms 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Ps. 103:20-21).

This is not a prayer to the angels. They do not expect the angels and 'all His hosts' to hear them. A million angels listening to me praying? LOL It is rhetorical.

And in Psalms 148 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).

The same applies here. LOL the angels would be mighty busy listening to millions of humans at the same time. Especially as the prayer would be unnecessary. The angels ARE praising Him already. They do not need a spur from us. It is simply a recognition of the fact by US that we are praying along with angels. Again it is rhetorical.

Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).

If you read it CAREFULLY you will note that the angel adds heavenly incense to the prayers. The prayers were already on the altar (something clearly symbolic. How can prayers be on an altar?). The angel simply fortifies them with incense. It is merely stressing that God hears our prayers and praises.

And those in heaven who offer to God our prayers aren’t just angels, but humans as well. John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8).

The twenty four elders are not human beings but angelic interceding priests. Their function is to offer our prayers before God like well trained attendants. Again it is bringing home that our prayers are presented to God.

The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

The even simpler fact is that it does NOT.

Catholics do not put Mary on par with God; we just do a better job at recognizing the role she played in Christian history.

You Roman Catholics do a better job of inventing and presenting a load of fables invented by men who wanted a goddess figure. There is not a trace anywhere in the New Testament of such ideas. In the New Testament Mary is a humble woman who was favoured by God to be the God-bearer of the Messiah, and who subsequently failed, first when she let Jesus get lost, and then when she tried to interfere with His ministry. She had other children, and finally came back to faith as a consequence of the resurrection. Like us all she was a humble sinner.

Mary is certainly worthy of

reverence, but not worship.

Worthy of reverence as any true man or woman of God is, but certainly not worthy of the exalted treatment that you Roman Catholics give her..

 

[valiant]

Au contraire mon frere, the Catholic Church can..... From St. Peter (our first Pope) to our present Pope Francis.

Wrong on all counts. There is no evidence that Peter was in Rome apart from for his martyrdom. He certainly was not there over a long period. He was not there when Paul wrote his letter to the Romans.

There is no evidence of a monarchical bishop in Rome until the mid second century. 1 Clement knew nothing of a sole bishop, nor did Ignatius of Antioch.

The line of bishops up to 325 AD is also incomplete, as is evidence from the list of Popes on the wall in Leeds (UK) Roman Catholic Cathedral where they admit they cannot go back beyond 325 AD. A list has of course been invented (the RC church are good at forgeries) but it would not be accepted by any reputable scholar.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am neither Catholic nor Protestant.

All Protestant denominations "came out of" Catholicism. They protested Catholicism, and "broke away" from it. That is why they are called Protestants. When they left Catholicism, they took part of Catholicism with them. That is why the commonality exists...

The Catholics do not and have not set the standard for what a church is and what is your point? The Lord's church has been on this planet since the day he called out his first two disciples......I fully understand the PROTEST to the Catholic doctrines and yet that does not change the fact that the Lord's churches were here before, during and AFTER the rise of Catholicism and or the Protestant reformation of the Catholic church.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Au contraire mon frere, the Catholic Church can..... From St. Peter (our first Pope) to our present Pope Francis.


Pax Christi


"From henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48

Peter was crucified upside down in Rome and was not the first POPE...Paul was sent to Rome and was the Apostle to the Gentiles...your Catholic history is tainted with ignorance!

 

[dcontroversal]

What church you go?

The one Jesus started.......how about you? You know the one he promised the perpetuity of and which is identifed by what it teaches primarily concerning salvation, immersion, ordinances, offices and practice......Just like Wattie said above....a direct link by theology and pratice.....!

 

[Jeff_56]

really the only things the protestants have in common with the rcc heresy are errors that carried over from the mother of harlots into the other churches wittingly or unwittingly.

sharing in error does not in any way relieve rcc from being the abomination harlot anti-christ false church,

rather re-enforces how tragic and terrible and insidious the total deception in the heresy of the rcc is.

protestant churches were a means yahweh used to step by step re-introduce true faith in jesus to people who otherwise
would never hear the good news (because in the rcc they never do receive good news - only deception and death.)

the protestant and other churches that departed from the errors of the mother of harlots
are
at
different places, each their own, out away from the abomination of the beast..... although admittedly some have returned to their own vomit in the insidious rcc hierarchy and domination.

all anyone can do is seek yahweh , hunger for HIS WORD (never what the rcc says!),

thirst for the righteousness that is only by faith in jesus, a sheer gift from yahweh to those who leave the abomination of harlotries and
who
instead trust and rely on GOD as it is written IN HIS WORD.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

really the only things the protestants have in common with the rcc heresy are errors that carried over from the mother of harlots into the other churches wittingly or unwittingly.

here are a couple of the most important things protestants have in common with roman catholics...

the trinity...
the divinity of jesus christ...

are these 'errors that carried over'?

 

[WheresEnoch]

Here are just a couple of the bad things many protestant churches have in common with rcc.

Priesthood/laity classes (although they use different terms for them)
Pews
Pagan holidays
Corrupt/nonexistant gospels
considering the building the church
fancy costumes for the 'exalted'
altars
hierarchy
abandonment of God's laws
eternal torment
sin is ok
love of the world

 

[WheresEnoch]

One of the worst things... the 'service', always the same. limited fellowship/interaction

 

[Jeff_56]

when you don't learn from yahweh the truth, it is impossible to understand; but here's a 'help' just in case he decides to show mercy to someone reading >>>
(try not to miss the last sentence; it's vital)

Roman Catholicism Compared To Biblical Chrsitianity

<<<for the lost sheep gone astray and not yet returned to the flock......

"It must also be remembered that there are those in the Catholic Church who love the Lord and have had a genuine born-again
experience yet remain in that church out of ignorance of her doctrines. ">>>

and as for the supposed similarities .....

"The Council of Trent, 13th Session, Canon I stated: “(the Eucharist) is truly, really and substantially the body and blood
together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Catholic Mass is the “unbloody sacrifice” of Jesus repeated over
and over. Yet the Bible repeatedly states that “without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.” The word for the
wafer that is offered at Catholic Mass is “hostia” which means victim. Hence, Jesus as the eternal victim is repeatedly being
sacrificed at each Catholic Mass.

Of the Mass, the Council of Trent also stated (Session 22, Chap.2): “In this divine sacrifice the same Christ is present and
immolated (sacrificed) in an unbloody manner on the altar of the Cross…only the manner of offering is different.” Heb 9: 22
and 10:10-17 totally contradict these Catholic doctrines. Therefore, how can Biblical Communion be equated with the Catholic
Eucharist and Mass?

Also, instead of centering worship around the Person of the Lord Jesus and His redeeming work on the cross, it is the Catholic
Church that makes the wafer of bread – the Eucharist – the “centerpiece of worship” and actually says, in its catechism, that
their communion is the “sacrament of redemption” (1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church section 1846) and the place
where “ the work of our redemption is accomplished” (Vatican II Austin Flannery p.1). When the priest holds the wafer and
presents it to the congregation saying “Behold the Lamb of God”, he truly means that that wafer is the real Lamb of God, Jesus
Christ. The Catholic Church emphasizes this adoration of the wafer – not the Person of Jesus – during the feast called Corpus
Christi, a Latin term meaning “body of Christ.” On that day a procession of Catholics follow the priest in adoration of the
Communion wafer which is carried in a vessel called a “monstrance.”

In simple terms that means that Roman Catholicism believes that redemption comes through ingesting the Eucharist –the wafer
which they say is Jesus – not through Jesus’ work on the cross. Hence, Catholic Communion is not Biblical Communion: they
may use the same words, but the meaning is totally different. "

^^^^^^^^^^the last sentence^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

remember those inhabited by demons might say the same words, that is their job!

but they are not serving JESUS, and in REVELATION(GOD'S WORD) it is written of most men

that they refuse to stop worshiping demons.

.....

are these 'errors that carried over'?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

when you don't learn from yahweh the truth, it is impossible to understand; but here's a 'help' just in case he decides to show mercy to someone reading >>>
(try not to miss the last sentence; it's vital)

Roman Catholicism Compared To Biblical Chrsitianity

<<<for the lost sheep gone astray and not yet returned to the flock......

"It must also be remembered that there are those in the Catholic Church who love the Lord and have had a genuine born-again
experience yet remain in that church out of ignorance of her doctrines. ">>>

and as for the supposed similarities .....

"The Council of Trent, 13th Session, Canon I stated: “(the Eucharist) is truly, really and substantially the body and blood
together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Catholic Mass is the “unbloody sacrifice” of Jesus repeated over
and over. Yet the Bible repeatedly states that “without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.” The word for the
wafer that is offered at Catholic Mass is “hostia” which means victim. Hence, Jesus as the eternal victim is repeatedly being
sacrificed at each Catholic Mass.

Of the Mass, the Council of Trent also stated (Session 22, Chap.2): “In this divine sacrifice the same Christ is present and
immolated (sacrificed) in an unbloody manner on the altar of the Cross…only the manner of offering is different.” Heb 9: 22
and 10:10-17 totally contradict these Catholic doctrines. Therefore, how can Biblical Communion be equated with the Catholic
Eucharist and Mass?

Also, instead of centering worship around the Person of the Lord Jesus and His redeeming work on the cross, it is the Catholic
Church that makes the wafer of bread – the Eucharist – the “centerpiece of worship” and actually says, in its catechism, that
their communion is the “sacrament of redemption” (1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church section 1846) and the place
where “ the work of our redemption is accomplished” (Vatican II Austin Flannery p.1). When the priest holds the wafer and
presents it to the congregation saying “Behold the Lamb of God”, he truly means that that wafer is the real Lamb of God, Jesus
Christ. The Catholic Church emphasizes this adoration of the wafer – not the Person of Jesus – during the feast called Corpus
Christi, a Latin term meaning “body of Christ.” On that day a procession of Catholics follow the priest in adoration of the
Communion wafer which is carried in a vessel called a “monstrance.”

In simple terms that means that Roman Catholicism believes that redemption comes through ingesting the Eucharist –the wafer
which they say is Jesus – not through Jesus’ work on the cross. Hence, Catholic Communion is not Biblical Communion: they
may use the same words, but the meaning is totally different. "

^^^^^^^^^^the last sentence^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

remember those inhabited by demons might say the same words, that is their job!

but they are not serving JESUS, and in REVELATION(GOD'S WORD) it is written of most men

that they refuse to stop worshiping demons.

this reply didn't even address my question...

 

[GaryA]

The Catholics do not and have not set the standard for what a church is and what is your point? The Lord's church has been on this planet since the day he called out his first two disciples......I fully understand the PROTEST to the Catholic doctrines and yet that does not change the fact that the Lord's churches were here before, during and AFTER the rise of Catholicism and or the Protestant reformation of the Catholic church.....!

I agree with THIS and THIS and THIS.

I believe we are in agreement...

( Please read the first two posts of A quote is a quote is a quote.... Thank You. )

 

[ivanc0]

The one Jesus started.......how about you? You know the one he promised the perpetuity of and which is identifed by what it teaches primarily concerning salvation, immersion, ordinances, offices and practice......Just like Wattie said above....a direct link by theology and pratice.....!

Ok, I try again, which Church Jesus started?
I have no church

 

[TMS]

All the protestant reformers had two things in common, they may have formed different churchs through the ages but they all believed;
1. That we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus
2. That the Papacy was the little horn of Daniel 7:8, and the beast of Rev 13:1-3.

The only way the Catholic church and the protestant churches could ever unite in belief (or be united in purpose) is if the protestant world forgets or changes what they believed (Which has virtually happened), the Catholic Church will not and has not changed for hundreds of years. God has His people in every church.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ok, I try again, which Church Jesus started?
I have no church

The one that teaches the following...

1. Salvation by grace dia faith into the completed work of Christ void of works, self and water.
2. Immersion as the only form of Baptism and as a picture/public statement of faith into the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus
3. A church is a LOCAL body of saved, immersed (identification) believers covenated together to make disciples (throughh biblical salvation), immerse already saved disciples and teaching said disciples to follow, incorporate and walk according to the word of God
4. Two ordinances (immersion-->picture and public testimony of faith, and Lord's Supper-->pictorial of the broken body and shed blood for the complete remission of sins)
5. Two offices...PASTOR and DEACON---->one teaches and leads the assembly while pointing to Christ and the other is a servant of the church and takes care of the menial things so as to allow the pastor to give himself wholly to the ministry of the word and prayer....and the word REVEREND is not, does not and should not be applied to any man other than JESUS.
6. Said church is to apply the word of God in context, follow the teaching of the bible and grow in LOVE which is a sure sign of Christian growth and Christianity....

ETC.

 

[Vernon]

DC ,

If we study history then we can see how the Faith has survived through the centuries, and we can debate about doctrine and heresy and apostasy. We can see why the east separated from the west (Islam). We can see why the reformers separated from Rome (corruption), we can justify or separation one from another. but what we are incapable of is separating is the love of Christ from all who call upon his name. And I thank God for that.

Christ be with you always.

 

[dcontroversal]

DC ,

If we study history then we can see how the Faith has survived through the centuries, and we can debate about doctrine and heresy and apostasy. We can see why the east separated from the west (Islam). We can see why the reformers separated from Rome (corruption), we can justify or separation one from another. but what we are incapable of is separating is the love of Christ from all who call upon his name. And I thank God for that.

Christ be with you always.

Amen and church history was one of the classes I had to take when I went to the school that I went to. We had to have two semesters of church history and then spent a semester or two studying all of the (religions) that broke off from the Lord's true N.T. Church.....and a semester on the cults of our society and who started what!.......A real eye opener for sure.....!