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[/B][/COLOR]that is what God asks of us..
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Philippians 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Colossians 4:12
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
You my friend are decieved, You no better than the pharisees, You deny your own sin. and you deny what it takes to be like Christ. You THINK you are perfect. Thus you deny your own sin.
ps. in most of those passages, the word perfect is a poorly translated interpretation of the actual greek word used, Which means mature, or complete.
I am complete in Christ, I strive to be like him every day, but my sanctification is onging, if I am perfect. I have no need to be sanctified, because I have finished the race and i have made it.
1 John 2:5-7King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
I am showing you where God says it is possible...
that is why we have an advocate....and confession of our sins for forgiveness ...
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
I am showing you where God says it is possible...
that is why we have an advocate....and confession of our sins for forgiveness ...
Thanks, But I will trust John to speak truth, and not a modern day pharisee who thinks he is perfect. and has fulfilled the law
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oh it is considered....it is just the wise know the way to God...unless you think if he cleanses you from all unrighteousness you still have sins...
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
then I think you still have sin, Because you do not think God has cleansed you from all sin and will perfect this cleansing until the day of Christ. while you are being sanctified
Nixon didn't have a sacrificial Lamb.....Jesus sacrificed himself so you could stand before God in righteousness.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nobody needs the Sacrificial Lamb and haven't since April 25, 31AD.
Nobody sins any more...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
especially the part that states that someone who denies the fact that they have PRESENST SIN is a LAIR and has NO TRUTH in HIM....
So which is it....the ones who teach you can loose it say or imply that they do not sin and or walk perfect ALL the time before the throne or.....It is the spirit (God's kingdom is spiritual) that is born again, does NOT SIN, is eternally saved, secure and justified in JESUS while being bound in a body that fails every day in some form or fashion!
So which is it....the ones who teach you can loose it say or imply that they do not sin and or walk perfect ALL the time before the throne or.....It is the spirit (God's kingdom is spiritual) that is born again, does NOT SIN, is eternally saved, secure and justified in JESUS while being bound in a body that fails every day in some form or fashion!
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Oh so the Sacrificial Lamb did away with the Law? Then we no longer need a Sacrificial Lamb...
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nobody needs the Sacrificial Lamb and haven't since April 25, 31AD.
Nobody sins any more...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Sin is not imputed when there is no Law. Nobody needs the Sacrificial Lamb and haven't since April 25, 31AD.
Nobody sins any more...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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There you go twisting the facts to fit your needs. The discussion centered around whether there are intentional or unintentional sins. I argued from Numbers there are to which you countered from Leviticus that all sins are covered on the day of atonement for the assembly of Israel. I then pointed out defiant sinners were removed from Israel and the atonement wouldn't apply to them.
Do you think a defiant sinner would ever be saved? Then, Do you think a child of God can be defiant?
A defient sinner is one who rejected the law. and did what he wanted.. Not a person who commited certain sins, do you even study?
David commited murder and adultry, yet he was called a man after Gods heart, why did he not get cast out of Israel. Are you saying they were not willfull sin?
Then you say "nice try"? Pretty successful try. They were cast out because their defiance blasphemed God.
John also said in his first epistle, 1:[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. and I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. (NASB)
So yeah, a Christian may sin. However, John differentiates between sins.
In chapter 5 John writes,[SUP]16 [/SUP]If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. [SUP]17 [/SUP]All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.(NASB)
Here John classifies two types of sin: sin leading to death and sin not leading to death. Based on the rest of his writing in 1 John a sin leading to death would be denying that Jesus is the Christ. Denying Jesus is the Christ is a pretty defiant act. Pretty consistent with Numbers 15.
The sin lists in the NT are examples of defiant sin and in some cases parallel OT sins that would separate one from atonement.
John also said in his first epistle, 1:[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. and I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. (NASB)
So yeah, a Christian may sin. However, John differentiates between sins.
In chapter 5 John writes,[SUP]16 [/SUP]If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. [SUP]17 [/SUP]All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.(NASB)
Here John classifies two types of sin: sin leading to death and sin not leading to death. Based on the rest of his writing in 1 John a sin leading to death would be denying that Jesus is the Christ. Denying Jesus is the Christ is a pretty defiant act. Pretty consistent with Numbers 15.
The sin lists in the NT are examples of defiant sin and in some cases parallel OT sins that would separate one from atonement.
How can I see someone commiting a sin leading to death if he is talking about spiritual death here? He is speaking of physical death.
If I go drink, then drive, and make it home safe, I have commited a sin which did not lead to death,
If I do the same, and kill people and myself in a major car accident, I have commited the SAME SIN, yet I died because of that sin (it lead to death)
They were not two different kinds of sin, They were the same sin, the same attitude, and the same mindset.
One led to death, one did not.
I will never understand you lagalists and how you can look at basic truths, and twist it and turn it so far off what it was ment to say, that it does not even make sense anymore.
A Christian shouldn't excuse sin in their lives, but rather confess it as our Lord taught. And if he/she finds himself/herself practicing a defiant sin found on the lists, he or she should confess them, ask for forgiveness and lean on the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome them.
you should come to the throne of God every day, and admit you have been defiant, self serving, carnal, and not living in th elove of Christ for the past 24 hours like God wants,
Confess to God in humility, not with pride like the pharisee, "Thank God I am not like the sinner, I do not look at pron, I do not commit adultry, I have not killed anyone etc etc)
instead we need to daily come to God as the tax collector. as Paul did.
Nixon didn't have a sacrificial Lamb.....Jesus sacrificed himself so you could stand before God in righteousness.
1) John Mitchell
2) H.R. Haldeman
3) Paul Ehrlichman
4) Charles Colson
5) Gordon Strachan
6) Robert Mardian
7) Kenneth Parkinson
They are known as the Watergate Seven.
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Do you think a defiant sinner would ever be saved? Then, Do you think a child of God can be defiant?
A defient sinner is one who rejected the law. and did what he wanted.. Not a person who commited certain sins, do you even study?
David commited murder and adultry, yet he was called a man after Gods heart, why did he not get cast out of Israel. Are you saying they were not willfull sin?
You still do not get it.
How can I see someone commiting a sin leading to death if he is talking about spiritual death here? He is speaking of physical death.
If I go drink, then drive, and make it home safe, I have commited a sin which did not lead to death,
If I do the same, and kill people and myself in a major car accident, I have commited the SAME SIN, yet I died because of that sin (it lead to death)
They were not two different kinds of sin, They were the same sin, the same attitude, and the same mindset.
One led to death, one did not.
I will never understand you lagalists and how you can look at basic truths, and twist it and turn it so far off what it was ment to say, that it does not even make sense anymore.
better yet, instead of puffing yourself up just because you think you do not do certain sins, because you excuse them by classifying them,
you should come to the throne of God every day, and admit you have been defiant, self serving, carnal, and not living in th elove of Christ for the past 24 hours like God wants,
Confess to God in humility, not with pride like the pharisee, "Thank God I am not like the sinner, I do not look at pron, I do not commit adultry, I have not killed anyone etc etc)
instead we need to daily come to God as the tax collector. as Paul did.
then I think you still have sin, Because you do not think God has cleansed you from all sin and will perfect this cleansing until the day of Christ. while you are being sanctified
do you think Paul is lying here...
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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then you are saying he is not doing a good job....If God forgives me of sins then I have no sin and I am abiding in him...if I am drawn away and sin...then I have sin...but until such time I have no sin...so says scripture...if you think you are always in sin you cannot be abiding in Christ....it is impossible...
do you think Paul is lying here...
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
do you think Paul is lying here...
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So you are able to detach yourself from your flesh? That's a neat trick......Tell me, are you spirit, soul and body or just spirit?
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then you are saying he is not doing a good job....If God forgives me of sins then I have no sin and I am abiding in him...if I am drawn away and sin...then I have sin...but until such time I have no sin...so says scripture...if you think you are always in sin you cannot be abiding in Christ....it is impossible...
do you think Paul is lying here...
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
do you think Paul is lying here...
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
By your words, you preach yourself.
By my faith, I preach God.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
I am perfected in Christ,
At the same time, God is working in me to sanctify me
Again, if you are perfect, You are no longer being sanctified, you have made it, Your just as Good as Jesus,,
woe to the one who claims this, that he no longer needs to grow