Reg Kelly: Can I Eat Pig and Go To Heaven?

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BibleReaderFloridaUSA

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The animals in the dream or vision of Peter's represented people. It was not a message saying that all unclean animals that God commanded people not to eat had been cleansed. Read the rest of the book of Acts. If You think it through most sensibly after reading it all, don't ask me to say that You would come to any other conclusion. Remember too that in the vision or dream in the sheet were "all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts and creeping things, and fowls of the heaven." If You understand that God is not a wasteful God and does nothing in vain maybe then You have a puzzle as to why He had both the clean beasts, that needed no cleansing and the unclean beasts in the sheet in the vision. In those verses in Isaiah 66: 17-18, it does not say that He was just talking about unclean flesh that was sacrificed to idols. In fact, it does not say that any of it was sacrificed.
 
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA

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Have You not read in The Bible that every good and perfect gift comes from above, from the father of lights? But do not think that pork is a good or perfect thing, or that God has ever given it to any human, desiring that they eat it. If You read His (God's) law, You may notice that He commands it to be thought of as an abomination, and You might know also that He does not want any human to think it of as a good thing.
 

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Everytime this thread pops up I think only one thing....

BACON!

please know I love and respect you all that is not meant to be rude or disrespectful. I live in remote Alaska and get tons of fish and even some duck but bacon is super rare for me to get and it's so yummy!

My understanding of scripture is that we are allowed to eat bacon, like all food it's a gift from our Lord
 
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While God may have given us all, even every living thing that moves, let us use good sense concerning what we do with it, if any. The purpose of unclean animal flesh is not to be a proper food for man. He may have given to Noah and to the others every living thing that moved, and to them every green herb as He had given them all things. Are all herbs good for food for man? Let me think not!!! Are all things that He had given them good for food for man? Let me think not!!! Do not think that He wants any of those things to be misused. Every thing may have good purpose, but all is not good for human food. Read all of His scriptures.
 
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Attention, shoppers: Stop picking up dead “Babes” and “Wilburs” at the grocery store! Here are our top 10 reasons to keep pork off your fork and put delicious Babe-free alternatives on your shopping list instead.

1. Porking You Up
It’s a fact—ham, sausage, and bacon strips will go right to your hips. Eating pork products, which are loaded with artery-clogging cholesterol and saturated fat, is a good way to increase your waistline and increase your chances of developing deadly diseases such as heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, osteoporosis, Alzheimer’s, asthma, and impotence. Research has shown that vegetarians are 50 percent less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters. Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than pure vegetarians are.

2. Pigs Have Feelings Too
Ninety-seven percent of pigs in the United States today are raised in factory farms, where they will never run across sprawling pastures, bask in the sun, breathe fresh air, or do anything else that comes naturally to them. Crowded into warehouses with nothing to do and nowhere to go, they are kept on a steady diet of drugs to keep them alive and make them grow faster, but the drugs cause many of the animals to become crippled under their own bulk.

3. Pigs and Playstations
Think that you can outplay a pig on your Playstation? You may be surprised. According to research, pigs are much smarter than dogs, and they even do better at video games than some primates. In fact, pigs are extremely clever animals who form complex social networks and have excellent memories. Eating a pig is like eating your dog! As actor Cameron Diaz put it after hearing that pigs have the mental capacities of a 3-year-old human: “[Eating bacon is] like eating my niece!

4. Pigs Prefer Mud, Not Crud
Pigs are actually very clean animals. If they are given sufficient space, pigs are careful not to soil the areas where they sleep or eat. And forget the silly saying “sweating like a pig”—pigs can’t even sweat! That’s why they bathe in water or mud to cool off. But in factory farms, they’re forced to live in their own feces and vomit and even amid the corpses of other pigs. Conditions are so filthy that at any given time, more than one-quarter of pigs suffer from mange—think of your worst case of poison ivy, and imagine having to suffer from it for the rest of your life.

5. Farming Family Values
Factory farms are pure hell for pigs and their babies. Mother pigs spend most of their lives in tiny “gestation” crates, which are so small that the animals are unable to turn around or even lie down comfortably. They are repeatedly impregnated until they are slaughtered. Piglets, who are taken away from their distraught mothers after just a few weeks, have their tails chopped off, their teeth are clipped off with pliers, and the males are castrated—all without painkillers.

6. The Manure Is Blowing in the Wind …
A pig farm with 5,000 animals produces as much fecal waste as a city of 50,000 people. In 1995, 25 million gallons of putrid hog urine and feces spilled into a North Carolina river, immediately killing between 10 and 14 million fish. To get around water pollution limits, factory farms will frequently take the tons of urine and feces that are stored in cesspools and turn them into liquid waste that they spray into the air. This manure-filled mist is carried away by the wind and inhaled by the people who live nearby.

7. Bacteria-Laden Bacon and Harmful Ham
Extremely crowded conditions, poor ventilation, and filth in factory farms cause such rampant disease in pigs that 70 percent of them have pneumonia by the time they’re sent to the slaughterhouse. In order to keep pigs alive in conditions that would otherwise kill them and to promote unnaturally fast growth, the industry keeps pigs on a steady diet of the antibiotics that we depend on to treat human illnesses. This overuse of antibiotics has led to the development of “superbacteria,” or antibiotic-resistant bacterial strains. The ham, bacon, and sausage that you’re eating may make the drugs that your doctor prescribes the next time you get sick completely ineffective.

8. Hell on Wheels
More than 170,000 pigs die in transport each year, and more than 420,000 are crippled by the time they arrive at the slaughterhouse. Transport trucks, which carry pigs hundreds of miles through all weather extremes with no food or water, regularly flip over, throwing injured and dying animals onto the road. These terrified and injured animals are rarely offered veterinary care, and most languish in pain for hours; some even bleed to death on the side of the road. After an accident in April 2005, Smithfield spokesperson Jerry Hostetter told one reporter, “I hate to admit it, but it happens all the time.”

9. Killing Them Without Kindness
A typical slaughterhouse kills up to 1,100 pigs every hour, which makes it impossible for them to be given humane, painless deaths. The U.S. Department of Agriculture documented 14 humane slaughter violations at one processing plant, where inspectors found hogs who “were walking and squealing after being stunned [with a stun gun] as many as four times.” Because of improper stunning methods and extremely fast line speeds, many pigs are still alive when they are dumped into scalding-hot hair-removal tanks—they literally drown in scalding-hot water.

10. Ditch the Bacon and Get Fakin’
Save pigs from hell and yourself from bad health by feasting on faux pork products instead. Stuff a sandwich full of Yves brand veggie ham slices, or throw some Lightlife Smart Bacon into a sizzling skillet—the freezer and “health food” sections of your local grocery or health food stores are packed full of these and other tasty substitutes.
 

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While God may have given us all, even every living thing that moves, let us use good sense concerning what we do with it, if any. The purpose of unclean animal flesh is not to be a proper food for man. He may have given to Noah and to the others every living thing that moved, and to them every green herb as He had given them all things. Are all herbs good for food for man? Let me think not!!! Are all things that He had given them good for food for man? Let me think not!!! Do not think that He wants any of those things to be misused. Every thing may have good purpose, but all is not good for human food. Read all of His scriptures.
I refer you to my earlier post. Why would God provide me with huge amounts of pork regularly over the years if that was the case? If I were not meant to eat pork then God would have given me chicken or beef instead.
 

Agricola

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Attention, shoppers: Stop picking up dead “Babes” and “Wilburs” at the grocery store! Here are our top 10 reasons to keep pork off your fork and put delicious Babe-free alternatives on your shopping list instead.

Scaremongring tactics from extremists.

Some farms maybe run in terrible conditions, but certainly in the UK you will never find any farm described above and if there ever was a farm run in the way described it would be shut down in an instant and none of the animals would enter the food chain.
 
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The animals in the dream or vision of Peter's represented people. It was not a message saying that all unclean animals that God commanded people not to eat had been cleansed. Read the rest of the book of Acts. If You think it through most sensibly after reading it all, don't ask me to say that You would come to any other conclusion. Remember too that in the vision or dream in the sheet were "all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts and creeping things, and fowls of the heaven." If You understand that God is not a wasteful God and does nothing in vain maybe then You have a puzzle as to why He had both the clean beasts, that needed no cleansing and the unclean beasts in the sheet in the vision. In those verses in Isaiah 66: 17-18, it does not say that He was just talking about unclean flesh that was sacrificed to idols. In fact, it does not say that any of it was sacrificed.
I never said that " all unclean animals that God commanded people not to eat had been cleansed ".

I said that if a Christian asks God to purify and sanctify unclean meat, God will make it proper to eat.
That's what the vision of Peter shows.
Again, there is no limitation in the Power of God to purify any unclean meat.
Is there anything impossible to the Lord ?
 
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Re: 10?

And again, whenever possible,
I prefer avoiding to eat unclean meat for health reasons, and for taste reasons.
And eating unclean meat without asking the Lord first for its Sanctification and Purification is sin !
 
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Kerry

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Sausage, bacon, my grandmother the most Godly women I have ever Known enjoyed her pig brains and eggs. Salt pork and ham hocks. But her faith was in the cross and not what she ate and she went to heaven at 93 years young. Praise God.
 
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA

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Have You seen God do anything that should be construed as Him wanting You to eat pig flesh? I don't think that You have seen God at all. Furthermore He does not tempt anyone to do evil. Don't blame God for Your disobedience and temptations.
 
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PHARISEES WANTED JESUS TO OBEY THEIR IDEAS OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT GOD WANTED AND TODAY'S PHARISEES DO THE SAME. BELIEVE GOD'S WORD=ACTS 10:12-16==heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again. 1 TIMOTHY 4:3-5== forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. CULTS TRY TO DENY GOD'S WORD!!!
 
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2Thewaters

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Bride asks her new husband,
Can I have an affair and still stay married to you?

I think if you ask those kinds of questions.
You need to be born again.
 
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA

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God does not change and does not change His law. His laws were given to man by the Spirit of God. If Christ had to die, rather than God changing the law of sin and death, what change with some other forbidden thing that one should not put in one's mouth is there? Furthermore, if You think that You can pray it away, that, or any other sin, think again. Nothing will be impossible to God, but His character is firm. He abides by His ways of right and does not change. The vision is not about unclean animal flesh, but the animals in the vision, the book itself, if You read it all way through may much more than fully prove that they represent people.
 
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CAN'T YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD'S WORD IS SAYING HERE???PHARISEES WANTED JESUS TO OBEY THEIR IDEAS OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT GOD WANTED AND TODAY'S PHARISEES DO THE SAME. BELIEVE GOD'S WORD=ACTS 10:12-16==heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again. 1 TIMOTHY 4:3-5== forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. CULTS TRY TO DENY GOD'S WORD!!!
 
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA

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Don't You wonder why man does not live so long nowadays as in the days before the flood? Look to the thing that You are talking about. It may be the most prime instrument of that lowering. I do not call any of that disobedience Godly. Another solid fact is that neither does The Bible.
 
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BibleReaderFloridaUSA

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Re: 10?

Have You ever heard of asking amiss? This may be the most common example to date of that.
 
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SO DO YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THIS WORD FROM GOD??? CAN'T YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD'S WORD IS SAYING HERE???PHARISEES WANTED JESUS TO OBEY THEIR IDEAS OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT GOD WANTED AND TODAY'S PHARISEES DO THE SAME. BELIEVE GOD'S WORD=ACTS 10:12-16==heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.”15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again. 1 TIMOTHY 4:3-5== forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. CULTS TRY TO DENY GOD'S WORD!!!
 
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2Thewaters

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um Your pastor may not have read the whole Bible yet...
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

I wouldnt do it because Jesus asked us not to...
He created us and knows what will harm us.
But when there is a penalty like CONSUME I wouldnt eat it for any reason.
 
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DO YOU NOT KNOW?NOT ALL OLD TESTMENT LAWS GIVEN TO JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FOR NEW TESTMENT BELIEVERS!!!