Regulative Principle of Worship

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Spokenpassage

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#21
I have the impression that it is actually just you who is being slow to answer the questions being asked
That's because I don't spend all my time on this site.

If asking questions is divisive, I am sure God would have tapped me on the shoulder about that years ago

He seems to welcome them
He did not respond to the OP, but rather was quick to speak his own mind. I don't mind questions.
 
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Spokenpassage

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#22
I can't be bothered to read more that a few paragraphs - but it seems to be "theological" legalistic gobbledygook.
Define legalism
 

posthuman

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He did not respond to the OP, but rather was quick to speak his own mind. I don't mind questions.
((are we talking about post?))

i have been responding to the OP.

i'm just not presuming to have all the answers

((or even all the questions
;)))
 
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Spokenpassage

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((are we talking about post?))

i have been responding to the OP.

i'm just not presuming to have all the answers

((or even all the questions
;)))
I was asking for your opinion about RPW. I dont mind questions in and of itself, but it seemed that you were more interested in debating, which again I don't mind it in and of itself.
 
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Spokenpassage

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#26
If I need to define it you're probably caught up in it.
CC doesn't change, does it? The attitude in this place is the same no matter who joins.
 

Laish

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What are your views on this subject? If you are curious as to what it is, please read this article:

Regulative Principle of Worship
Hello Spokenpassage
I have read through the article/ report and agree with its findings, and purpose . The intent of the committee is noble in my opinion. The report is seems more aimed at those that shepherd the flock than the general congregation. It is full of church speak an can be a turn off to some folks . To me the committe beats around the bush concerning how we should worship . Why not just say in plain English. That's a big problem with some of us on the Reformed side of theology, we love our committees ,synods and their reports . We are quite fond of our big words .I believe the commentary on each of the paragraphs to be helpful and better illustrate what they were trying to say . So why not just say that ?
So I do agree with what they had to say . I just desire it was in plain English without having to demonstrate that the committee went to seminary.
Blessings
Bill
 
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Spokenpassage

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Hello Spokenpassage
I have read through the article/ report and agree with its findings, and purpose . The intent of the committee is noble in my opinion. The report is seems more aimed at those that shepherd the flock than the general congregation. It is full of church speak an can be a turn off to some folks . To me the committe beats around the bush concerning how we should worship . Why not just say in plain English. That's a big problem with some of us on the Reformed side of theology, we love our committees ,synods and their reports . We are quite fond of our big words .I believe the commentary on each of the paragraphs to be helpful and better illustrate what they were trying to say . So why not just say that ?
So I do agree with what they had to say . I just desire it was in plain English without having to demonstrate that the committee went to seminary.
Blessings
Bill
Thank you for your opinion! It didn't seem to beat around the bush, since it was a position paper on the issue. I believe they were clear, though, how we are to worship. Thank you for reading and sharing!
 

Laish

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Thank you for your opinion! It didn't seem to beat around the bush, since it was a position paper on the issue. I believe they were clear, though, how we are to worship. Thank you for reading and sharing!
First off your welcome brother.
The term beat around the bush my have been a bit much on my part given that the article's format was that of a position paper. The need for exact wording is important. I guess my shortcoming is I am a bit impatient. I understood what was being said by the second sentence on most of the points forgetting that someone could read something unintended in to it without further refinement.
Great topic though thanks for posting.
Blessings
Bill
 
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Spokenpassage

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#31
First off your welcome brother.
The term beat around the bush my have been a bit much on my part given that the article's format was that of a position paper. The need for exact wording is important. I guess my shortcoming is I am a bit impatient. I understood what was being said by the second sentence on most of the points forgetting that someone could read something unintended in to it without further refinement.
Great topic though thanks for posting.
Blessings
Bill
It's all good! Hey, what are you thoughts on Psalmody in worship?
 
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Spokenpassage

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#32
Who in the world did a thread on worship turn into a thread on the sabbath, Jesus is Lord of the sabbath. Matthew 11:28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

​Jesus is our sabbath rest.

I agree he is. However, the moral equity of that Decologue still applies today, including setting time apart for God.
 
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sevenseas

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#33
That's because I don't spend all my time on this site.



He did not respond to the OP, but rather was quick to speak his own mind. I don't mind questions.
that's lame

seriously lame

check me out. I don't either.

oh in fact he did respond to the op. directly. you just did not care for his response.
 
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sevenseas

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#34
you know, if people want to wrap themselves up in tradition and law, you won't be the first and you will achieve exactly the same as everyone else whoever did so

Christ came to set us free, both from ourselves and from vain worship that pleases men more than God
 
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Spokenpassage

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#35
I went to visit a church last Sunday and was bombed out. The songs were not worship or praise, here are some of the words from one of the sons. in the mud, I was in the mud, springing up to the river, springing to the river and on and on, very repetitive, which is not worship or praise. How about giving glory to God or Jesus, how He loved us and died for us. About glorious attributes, His amazing grace, His promise to return for us, the greatness of the New Heaven and New Earth and New Earth, the New Jerusalem. How He indwells us with His Holy Spirit, blesses us with new birth. Not mud and a river, please.
It is a sad deal what is considered worship today in many circles...
 

Dino246

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I only needed to read about four paragraphs of the article to see a fatal flaw in the position...

According to the "regulative principle", what is not commanded in worship is forbidden. Let's see... breathing is not commanded in worship....
 
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Spokenpassage

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you know, if people want to wrap themselves up in tradition and law, you won't be the first and you will achieve exactly the same as everyone else whoever did so

Christ came to set us free, both from ourselves and from vain worship that pleases men more than God
Regulative Principle of Worship is opposed to tradition...
 
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Spokenpassage

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#38
I only needed to read about four paragraphs of the article to see a fatal flaw in the position...

According to the "regulative principle", what is not commanded in worship is forbidden. Let's see... breathing is not commanded in worship....
It is talking about things such as tradition.
 

posthuman

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#39
I was asking for your opinion about RPW.

my opinion is that it generates a lot of questions, far beyond logistical details about what color choir robes should be or whether picking up an electric lute with the idea of praising God with it is sin or not.

questions that are largely ignored by most people i've met who use phrases like "the regulative principle in worship"

i see you think that means "looking to debate" but honestly, questions are for "looking to comprehend"
i hope you take all the time you need to think about the questions i asked, and come to a real conclusion about how all of this speaks of Christ and lifts Him up for who He is and what He has done.
i'd rather it seem like you are ignoring my replies, and let them stick in the back of your head and grow, producing fruit in their season, than have you snap to a judgement within the time it takes you to read the paragraphs, move on, and be relatively untouched by the words in your heart at all.

questions, i think, are often better for achieving such an end than bold declarations. they encourage one to work things out for themselves, a process by which truth-pathways are more richly molded into the mind than if a person simply read another man's assertions, find no immediate fault in them, and so adopt them as nominally their own. in the latter case a man can profess to believe things he doesn't even understand, but in the former, whether a man has come to a conclusion or not, he gains understanding. understanding is better than silver. it is better than winning some 'war of words' and better than collecting "yea" votes.
 
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Spokenpassage

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my opinion is that it generates a lot of questions, far beyond logistical details about what color choir robes should be or whether picking up an electric lute with the idea of praising God with it is sin or not.

questions that are largely ignored by most people i've met who use phrases like "the regulative principle in worship"

You have a point there. Not everyone views the Regulative Principle of Worship the same. Some are EP and some aren't, some are against instruments and others aren't, some believe that infant of Christian parents should be baptized and others see only participants in the faith should be baptized, some believe in theonomy and others don't. There are so many views. If you are looking for my view, read the article. :)