Release from the bonds of the Catholic church
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Then this: It all confirms exactly what i said. Note how you PURCHASE the cards.
What is the purpose of a Mass card if my mother is already in Heaven?
What is the purpose of a Mass card if my mother is already in Heaven?
When you say that my dearest Catholic friend, the exnun, the woman who spends time every day with my dying neighbor so her caregiver can get away a little, the woman who cares so deeply for others and for her Lord and Savior is going to not have life and forgiveness from the Savior we both talk to is ridiculous and wrong.
She and I discuss scripture, not her church, and she knows her triune God and scripture well. Others, right here on cc talk about all sorts of isms, men, and ideas they believe in that are not from God and scripture. All of see darkly, the bible says so. Christ says do you love me? May I forgive your sins? Will you forgive others? Do you live in my kingdom? Not are you or are you not Catholic.
Judging should be taken up with whether they express love or hate, for by that we test the spirits. Is their talk of scripture or a man's ideas? Our Father is now sending the Jews back to Jerusalem. Most of those returning don't have a clue that God is sending them back or why, but they are going back. Those who do not know God but are working for the other side, at this time in our world, works against that happening. There are ways of testing the spirit that is in the people around us. But to ask if they are protestant or Catholic is not the proper question.
However, questioning the ideas of this church is proper. I do not think a lot of their ideas of God are sound at all.
She and I discuss scripture, not her church, and she knows her triune God and scripture well. Others, right here on cc talk about all sorts of isms, men, and ideas they believe in that are not from God and scripture. All of see darkly, the bible says so. Christ says do you love me? May I forgive your sins? Will you forgive others? Do you live in my kingdom? Not are you or are you not Catholic.
Judging should be taken up with whether they express love or hate, for by that we test the spirits. Is their talk of scripture or a man's ideas? Our Father is now sending the Jews back to Jerusalem. Most of those returning don't have a clue that God is sending them back or why, but they are going back. Those who do not know God but are working for the other side, at this time in our world, works against that happening. There are ways of testing the spirit that is in the people around us. But to ask if they are protestant or Catholic is not the proper question.
However, questioning the ideas of this church is proper. I do not think a lot of their ideas of God are sound at all.
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I would like to point out that this site does not consider Catholic theology to be true where it differs from Protestantism. So if you are a Catholic, you might want to read this statement by RobOP before you post.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html
We try to welcome everyone to our site including people who grow up with Catholic tradition because of course we want to lead people to the truth.
But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that.
If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.
So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.
Mary WAS A SINNER.
She needed a savior, just like you and me.
She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.
This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.
So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.
At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.
I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.
So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.
But sometimes it's perceived that we tolerate error and heresy. Please understand first of all that we don't screen every thread and post in this forum. YOU can help with that.
If there's something that you really think we should deal with, then use the Report button (there's a Report button on every post). But please understand that there will be some error and we don't remove all error or even all heresy from the site, partly because it's an opportunity for Christians to correct it and respond with the word of God. But if there's too much of it or too much from one person then we do some housecleaning. We certainly don't want our site to be dominated by Catholic heresy or whatever heresy or error, and we don't want people to get the impression that we just tolerate all of that.So for the record, Catholicism is heresy. That's what the admins of this site believe.
Mary WAS A SINNER.
She needed a savior, just like you and me.
She is NOT the "mother of God". God has no mother, because God is God. Yes Jesus is God, and Mary was his mother, but we have to understand the dual nature of Jesus. He was 100% God yes, and also 100% man. Mary was his mother as a man, not as God. No where does the scripture refer to Mary as the "mother of God". And in fact, she's not even mentioned in all the epistles. All the New Testament instruction to the church is all about Jesus, not Mary. They never said "hail Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners". They always said JESUS .. JESUS... JESUS.
This is preaching to the choir for most people here. But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.
So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy. And yes it is heresy to exalt any other human being as sinless to the same level as Jesus (as the Catholics do with Mary -- they actually teach that Mary was sinless like Jesus!!!), and put equal focus on a person other than Jesus.
At the same time, we understand that no one is born a Christian. That's why Jesus said you must be born again. So we welcome all who are seeking -- Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, and even protestants who are "Christian" only by tradition -- to experience our fellowship here on this site and learn the truth that Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and no one can come to the father except through Him. And there is only one God, and one mediator between God, the man Christ Jesus. Because he was both 100% man and 100% God, that makes him the perfect mediator between man and God. That's why the scripture also tells us to go straight to Jesus -- go to the throne of grace with confidence, knowing that he can understand our weaknesses and everything, since he lived as a man like us (and even experienced all temptation). Hence we don't need Mary to go to or go through -- that defeats the purpose of Jesus.
I saw my mother-in-law die before my eyes putting her faith in Mary. Days before she died I asked her if Mary can save her and she actually said yes. Then in her dying moments, my father-in-law pushed me in front of her to pray for her as she was dying before our eyes. I simply prayed out loud in front of everyone that she would put her faith in Jesus, and ONLY JESUS. There was protesting in the background "wala na Maria? wala na Maria?", which is Filipino language for "No Mary?? No Marry??". You see how deceived they all are. It is sad. You see how the devil uses that poison to add something to Jesus.
So I hope it's clear what we believe and we hope that we can promote the truth here in love.
This isn't a Catholic site. Though you're very welcome to be involved here, you need to come to the realization that we will always discuss biblical topics here, so if what one says does not line up with scripture it will be rejected. You have probably seen a lot of this lately.
The owner of this site has made his statement of faith clear in previous threads, that he does not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church, but he is kind enough to welcome all to be here, so you can study scripture with us, allowing you that opportunity.
The owner of this site has made his statement of faith clear in previous threads, that he does not agree with the teachings of the Catholic church, but he is kind enough to welcome all to be here, so you can study scripture with us, allowing you that opportunity.
The church is all who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, not a religious system or building.
Acts 7:48-50: "However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest? Has My hand not made all these things?"
1 Cor 6:19: "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?"
John 3:3: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Acts 7:48-50: "However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest? Has My hand not made all these things?"
1 Cor 6:19: "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?"
John 3:3: "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”