Remarriage Bibically

[cupid]

I have made a post like this before and have been considered none biblical for this stance. These scriptures I use to support my view. Please supply scriptures with your post rather you agree or disagree.
Now in my understanding these scriptures say if no fornication (sexual immorality which includes adultery) has been committed and there is a remarriage it is adultery. Is this a lawful marriage because you ask God for forgiveness? Can something God called unlawful become acceptable because you are forgiven?

Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.
1Cor 7:10-11 - And unto the married I command, [yet] not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from [her] husband:[SUP]11[/SUP] But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.
1 Corinthians 7:15 - But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.
Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Romans 7:2 - For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
Mark 10:10-11- And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Yes, the idea of No Fault Divorce is pagan.

The issue concerns kids.
Fatherless kids suffer enormous Child Abuse:

CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals A Report on the State of High Schools).
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).

These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:
5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison

Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
24.3 times more likely to run away
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
10.8 times more likely to commit rape
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes

Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**





http://www.cato.org/publications/con...-state-crime-0

 

[shotgunner]

Let me ask this way. If two people get married and they are the same sex, then get saved can they now have a union honored by God?
If yes why
If no why?

No, because repentance can wash away a sin but it can't change your sex. There is no Godly provision for same sex marriage to begin with so there is no marriage in God's eyes.

 

[BarlyGurl]

No matter what or how we try to bet around it This is what Jesus said. We tend to want to make extra excuses for allowing it. Do you know that even in America you were not granted a divorce unless you had proof that your souse cheated or some kind of abuses was taking place? I want to stay biblical though so can we change the bible because we want something that will make us happy?

I regret to inform you... the above bolded is NOT true. I do not know what state you live in but MANY states have become "No-fault divorce" as the only option. This began w/ California legislation signed into law by Gov. Ronald Reagan. The original legislation was intended to give MUTUAL desiring parties an option for divorce that DID NOT require litigation to prove fault. Reagan was divorced. Anyway, that legal script has been hi-jacked to allow for one-sided divorce where there is NO GROUNDS and NO REMEDY for the defendant party. Many states have adopted this form of divorce and it is shameful and corrupt form of justice... which is not really unique at this stage of times.

 

[iwant2serve]

No, because repentance can wash away a sin but it can't change your sex. There is no Godly provision for same sex marriage to begin with so there is no marriage in God's eyes.

So if Jesus said remarriage with no fornication is adultery is that no Godly provision?

 

[shotgunner]

So if Jesus said remarriage with no fornication is adultery is that no Godly provision?

Does God forgive fornication?

When I say no Godly provision I mean there is no marriage by definition. Same sex couples cannot enter into a marriage recognized by God. Any sex outside marriage is fornication.

 

[BarlyGurl]

So if Jesus said remarriage with no fornication is adultery is that no Godly provision?

What he said was "a man who divorces his wife except for the cause of fornication <sexual immorality> and marries another commits adultery <against HER>. So why would God consider a woman who was faithful bound to a husband who DOES NOT WANT HER, Has committed violence against the marital covenant and HAS COMMITTED ADULTERY AGAINST HER? Who is the innocent party and WHO is the adulterer?

I realize you are not addressing me here... but I am beginning to get the impression from your comments in the thread that you are interpreting the scriptures regarding remarriage in an ABSOLUTE way. I don't notice you in your comments that you have given any attention to the "issues" I an other members have inserted into the thread.
Regarding the context of the scripture... there is some disputing about whether divorce was an exclusive male right or if women divorced also in the biblical time... irrespective of that... there are divorces where one party is considered a VICTIM. The best example of that is in Malachi where God expressly states men who discard their wives by divorcing them are committing VIOLENCE against them and God sees the BLOOD covering their robes from what they have done. If that isn't equating unjustly divorcing to murder... I would like to hear someone interpret that otherwise.
So my point here is that that DIVORCE is not necessarily a "takes two" scenario and there is enough scripture available on the topic of divorce/marriage/remarriage/lawsuits/grace/forgiveness to review a "remarriage vs adultery" scenarios case by case and judge each scenario righteously.
Thank you for having the courage and concern to pursue this topic as it surely needs to be addressed with greater care and attention than has been given in the last 20-30 years by the church on a whole.

 

[atwhatcost]

What I mean in the last line is this. If God said something is wrong or we enter into a agreement that was unlawful as he said remarriage with no fornication is adultery. Does asking God to forgive the second union become ok to continue in it because of grace?

Let's try it this way.

A woman was married twice before. Then she was saved. What she did previously is forgiven. Are you saying she fornicates if she then meets a believer and marries him?

A man cheats on is wife, and they divorce. He is saved in all the glory of that word. He meets a believer. Are you saying he fornicates if he marries again?

I'm with you on the only reasons a believer can divorce is for adultery (or the believer has a non-believing spouse who wants to break it off and divorce. We're supposed to let go and get the divorce then too.) Then again, in my way of understanding that, (which can be explained scripturally, if you need me to, but it's going to take a bit of effort to get the proof), anyone who abandons the spouse is an adulterer -- whether shacking up with someone else, abusing the spouse, or mentally and/or physically walking out -- frees up the spouse to marry again, if that does happen.

I'm not sure where I stand if someone is a believer/becomes a believer and then the non-believing spouse walks. (I lean towards that person shouldn't marry again, but I really can't get scripture to prove that one. Purely a hunch merely by lack of evidence to the contrary.)

BUT what we did before we became believers is wiped away at salvation through the blood of Jesus, and we are new creatures in him, so, yeah, really? In that situation, I don't think it's breaking either God's law or grace to marry again, even if you were truly a crappy spouse before or you were married to a crappy spouse before. That new creation thingy is true, so what we were, we ain't no more. We were set free.

So, back at you -- what do you think? (I'm not trying to prove-a-point. I'm really asking. But if you think otherwise, I'd like you to explain that with scripture, because hey, judging from your avatar, looks like you're a preacher, so should know this better than I do. lol)

 

[atwhatcost]

No matter what or how we try to bet around it This is what Jesus said. We tend to want to make extra excuses for allowing it. Do you know that even in America you were not granted a divorce unless you had proof that your souse cheated or some kind of abuses was taking place? I want to stay biblical though so can we change the bible because we want something that will make us happy?

Who's changing the Bible? I'm agreeing with Marc from a biblical standpoint and without dismissing the law for grace.

 

[atwhatcost]

Let me ask this way. If two people get married and they are the same sex, then get saved can they now have a union honored by God?
If yes why
If no why?

Marriage is between a man and woman, so don't go with the SSM appeal. We are Christians, so get that one.

 

[atwhatcost]

Yes, the idea of No Fault Divorce is pagan.

The issue concerns kids.
Fatherless kids suffer enormous Child Abuse:

CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals A Report on the State of High Schools).
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).

These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:
5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison

Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
24.3 times more likely to run away
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
10.8 times more likely to commit rape
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes

Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**





http://www.cato.org/publications/con...-state-crime-0

If you're against "pagan" laws why back it up through pagan stats?

 

[MarcR]

No matter what or how we try to bet around it This is what Jesus said. We tend to want to make extra excuses for allowing it. Do you know that even in America you were not granted a divorce unless you had proof that your souse cheated or some kind of abuses was taking place? I want to stay biblical though so can we change the bible because we want something that will make us happy?

You can hold that opinion if it suits you; but I want no part of it.

 

[MarcR]

So if Jesus said remarriage with no fornication is adultery is that no Godly provision?

David committed both adultery and murder; yet God, in His wisdom, brought the promised Savior / Messiah through that adulterous union. Mat Chapter 1 and Luk 3:23-38.

It seems to me that this alone behooves us to be less rigid in our pronouncements and rules.

The Sermon on the mount is full of didactic hyperbole, a teaching technique wherein a case is intentionally overstated to show the importance of the principle.

Matt 5:29-30
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
KJV


Do you suppose that the verses above were intended to be literally applied?

Matt 5:31-32
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
KJV

These are the verses under discussion.

Matt 5:40
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
KJV

Any thorough historical study of first century Israel will prove that most people (except the priests) wore only those two garments; and parting with both would result in total nudity. If your daughter is told to remove her dress should she offer her underwear. I think not!

 

[MarcR]

So if Jesus said remarriage with no fornication is adultery is that no Godly provision?

David committed both adultery and murder; yet God, in His wisdom, brought the promised Savior / Messiah through that adulterous union. Mat Chapter 1 and Luk 3:23-38.

It seems to me that this alone behooves us to be less rigid in our pronouncements and rules.

The Sermon on the mount is full of didactic hyperbole, a teaching technique wherein a case is intentionally overstated to show the importance of the principle.

Matt 5:29-30
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
KJV


Do you suppose that the verses above were intended to be literally applied?

Matt 5:31-32
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
KJV

These are the verses under discussion.

Matt 5:40
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
KJV

Any thorough historical study of first century Israel will prove that most people (except the priests) wore only those two garments; and parting with both would result in total nudity. If your daughter is told to remove her dress should she offer her underwear. I think not!

2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
KJV

 

[iwant2serve]

What he said was "a man who divorces his wife except for the cause of fornication <sexual immorality> and marries another commits adultery <against HER>. So why would God consider a woman who was faithful bound to a husband who DOES NOT WANT HER, Has committed violence against the marital covenant and HAS COMMITTED ADULTERY AGAINST HER? Who is the innocent party and WHO is the adulterer?

I realize you are not addressing me here... but I am beginning to get the impression from your comments in the thread that you are interpreting the scriptures regarding remarriage in an ABSOLUTE way. I don't notice you in your comments that you have given any attention to the "issues" I an other members have inserted into the thread.
Regarding the context of the scripture... there is some disputing about whether divorce was an exclusive male right or if women divorced also in the biblical time... irrespective of that... there are divorces where one party is considered a VICTIM. The best example of that is in Malachi where God expressly states men who discard their wives by divorcing them are committing VIOLENCE against them and God sees the BLOOD covering their robes from what they have done. If that isn't equating unjustly divorcing to murder... I would like to hear someone interpret that otherwise.
So my point here is that that DIVORCE is not necessarily a "takes two" scenario and there is enough scripture available on the topic of divorce/marriage/remarriage/lawsuits/grace/forgiveness to review a "remarriage vs adultery" scenarios case by case and judge each scenario righteously.
Thank you for having the courage and concern to pursue this topic as it surely needs to be addressed with greater care and attention than has been given in the last 20-30 years by the church on a whole.

The scripture says if a man divorces his wife without fornication he cause her to commit adultery. So even if it is contested neither can remarry.

 

[iwant2serve]

Let's try it this way.

A woman was married twice before. Then she was saved. What she did previously is forgiven. Are you saying she fornicates if she then meets a believer and marries him?

A man cheats on is wife, and they divorce. He is saved in all the glory of that word. He meets a believer. Are you saying he fornicates if he marries again?

I'm with you on the only reasons a believer can divorce is for adultery (or the believer has a non-believing spouse who wants to break it off and divorce. We're supposed to let go and get the divorce then too.) Then again, in my way of understanding that, (which can be explained scripturally, if you need me to, but it's going to take a bit of effort to get the proof), anyone who abandons the spouse is an adulterer -- whether shacking up with someone else, abusing the spouse, or mentally and/or physically walking out -- frees up the spouse to marry again, if that does happen.

I'm not sure where I stand if someone is a believer/becomes a believer and then the non-believing spouse walks. (I lean towards that person shouldn't marry again, but I really can't get scripture to prove that one. Purely a hunch merely by lack of evidence to the contrary.)

BUT what we did before we became believers is wiped away at salvation through the blood of Jesus, and we are new creatures in him, so, yeah, really? In that situation, I don't think it's breaking either God's law or grace to marry again, even if you were truly a crappy spouse before or you were married to a crappy spouse before. That new creation thingy is true, so what we were, we ain't no more. We were set free.

So, back at you -- what do you think? (I'm not trying to prove-a-point. I'm really asking. But if you think otherwise, I'd like you to explain that with scripture, because hey, judging from your avatar, looks like you're a preacher, so should know this better than I do. lol)

Married and divorced before you are saved......stay single.
Man cheats on his wife they divorce he gets saved.......stay single
Have not seen any scriptures on abuse saying you are free to divorce.....smart to get away as far as you can
Unbelieving spouse leaves.....free to serve God with no bondage
Just because you are born again does not mean you can remarry...the bond of the marriage is the same saved or not
Does not mean a preacher should know better it seems because man say I am wrong or skirt over the issue.

 

[iwant2serve]

You can hold that opinion if it suits you; but I want no part of it.

You don't have to have any part of it but you cannot say I have changed anything in scripture to support my view. I ask a simple question and you do not have a answer except this.
If God said it is an unlawful union to remarry without fornication being committed when can it become a lawful union to continue? Because I ask for forgiveness?
If that is your stance how do you repent?

 

[BarlyGurl]

The scripture says if a man divorces his wife without fornication he cause her to commit adultery. So even if it is contested neither can remarry.

Have you ever considered reading Matt.5:32 in that Jesus is clarifying WHO is responsible??? Meaning who's shoulders the CAUSE and BURDEN of the sin of adultery falls on??? Wouldn't that interpretation be accurate when the next verses clarify the importance of VOWS?? Obviously a woman who is divorced without cause is not the vow breaker is she???

 

[iwant2serve]

David committed both adultery and murder; yet God, in His wisdom, brought the promised Savior / Messiah through that adulterous union. Mat Chapter 1 and Luk 3:23-38.

It seems to me that this alone behooves us to be less rigid in our pronouncements and rules.

The Sermon on the mount is full of didactic hyperbole, a teaching technique wherein a case is intentionally overstated to show the importance of the principle.

Matt 5:29-30
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
KJV


Do you suppose that the verses above were intended to be literally applied?

Matt 5:31-32
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
KJV

These are the verses under discussion.

Matt 5:40
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
KJV

Any thorough historical study of first century Israel will prove that most people (except the priests) wore only those two garments; and parting with both would result in total nudity. If your daughter is told to remove her dress should she offer her underwear. I think not!

1. You cannot commit adultery if the spouse is dead. David paid for that adulterous act also because they child died.
2. So the sermon was about technique and you gather this by taking a couple verses. Yet I gave several verses saying the same thing.
3. By your scripture you have proven nothing pertaining to remarriage yet all mine have. Hard to discredit someone when you search for scriptures that cannot support the claim.

 

[iwant2serve]

Marriage is between a man and woman, so don't go with the SSM appeal. We are Christians, so get that one.

If SSM is not allowed by God and adultery is not would not that put the n the same category of sexual immorality?

 

[BarlyGurl]

Married and divorced before you are saved......stay single.
Man cheats on his wife they divorce he gets saved.......stay single
Have not seen any scriptures on abuse saying you are free to divorce.....smart to get away as far as you can
Unbelieving spouse leaves.....free to serve God with no bondage
Just because you are born again does not mean you can remarry...the bond of the marriage is the same saved or not
Does not mean a preacher should know better it seems because man say I am wrong or skirt over the issue.

I am disappointed to discover that you are standing in an interpretation of scripture that offers no grace to pursue a Christian marriage and honor God if there was a past marital failure, either before being born again or as an innocent party of unscriptural divorce.... since marriage was crated in the beginning and Christian marriage is specifically to be a picture of Christ and the church...

What does Christ and the church look like... using the rigid interpretation you are asserting???

Again, Thank you for being willing to further examine this matter...I am specifically praying that the Lord open understanding further in these matters.