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To the amazement of some possibly............IF I read this correctly, and you acknowledge the "Law of Faith," then we are of one accord. 
Yeah, I know, but, hey, I am already considered a "legalist," and now, you may be in danger of being labeled as such.
just saying
God bless you and yours
Yeah, I know, but, hey, I am already considered a "legalist," and now, you may be in danger of being labeled as such. just sayingGod bless you and yours
I just don't (can't) use my work to get there. I rely totally on the Lord Jesus Christ.
L
These last two descriptions of Bible truth you posted here about the Ministration of Condemnation and the Ministration of Righteousness bring to mind how there is so much in the Bible. I've been noticing how it all builds upon itself like these perfect sort of tiles of lovely stones or maybe building blocks to make up a perfect continuum.. "precept upon precept., line upon line." Not like law or anything but like these lovely truths that perfectly fit together. And then not only that, but they fit together in many other ways to add to other truths in other places in the Bible so that it makes more truth upon truth.
We can open the Bible anytime and there will be something that adds to what we have been learning. Because we are His., we have open access to His book. And even when we haven't appreciated it the way we should have all these years, His love for us always gives us opportunity to do so still yet again. We never meet the end of His love for us. There is no end to His grace.
The idea of being a sheep of His pasture and resting is one part of many parts of being in Christ. We are also trained how to walk and follow and given power in the Holy Spirit as sons. There is so much more to our salvation and our relationship to Jesus we have yet to learn. To think we are on the one hand., when we are in our own strength., weak and beggarly. Yet, even then He loves us and His intention is to build us up into mature sons and out of our weakness and babyhood into full maturity some day but right now we are on the way.
Again., why should He care and why would He care? But He does and that just adds so much more to the mystery of God. And all for good as far as we are concerned.
L
It's interesting while I read you guys discussing the law and how it applies to us today. I have not given the law much thought at all these days but have been keeping it more than I ever did when it was on my mind all the time. How very odd this Christian walk is sometimes to my human understanding. shhessshhh.
L
I thought we all came to agreement but you may have missed the posts.
Paul said as to the law, he was blameless.
I've heard people say that there are over 600 laws and that it was impossible to keep them all.
Paul seems to be saying that he kept them all very zealously.
That is, OUTWARDLY.
From his youth, he was raised to carefully observe the law and he says as to the "righteousness" that comes by the law, that he was blameless.
No man, or even God, would have found blame in how Paul kept the law - outwardly.
But God said, they always err IN THEIR HEARTS.
To keep the law outwardly and carefully but to keep their HEARTS from God - that was NEVER what God wanted.
Anyway, you may have read the later posts by now and seen what we arrived at.
Men are always concerned with what their outside does and looks like but God is concerned with what their heart does and looks like. And this makes perfect sense since the outside can look mighty clean, upright and good while the inside can be horrifying.
But he was so nice, quiet, clean, pleasant, solicitous, charming...how do serial murders who do things like cook and eat people live peacefully beside so many people who were completely unaware of their evil? You see their stunned faces on the news when they say, he was thoughtful, so nice, the perfect neighbor...
Paul said as to the law, he was blameless.
I've heard people say that there are over 600 laws and that it was impossible to keep them all.
Paul seems to be saying that he kept them all very zealously.
That is, OUTWARDLY.
From his youth, he was raised to carefully observe the law and he says as to the "righteousness" that comes by the law, that he was blameless.
No man, or even God, would have found blame in how Paul kept the law - outwardly.
But God said, they always err IN THEIR HEARTS.
To keep the law outwardly and carefully but to keep their HEARTS from God - that was NEVER what God wanted.
Anyway, you may have read the later posts by now and seen what we arrived at.
Men are always concerned with what their outside does and looks like but God is concerned with what their heart does and looks like. And this makes perfect sense since the outside can look mighty clean, upright and good while the inside can be horrifying.
But he was so nice, quiet, clean, pleasant, solicitous, charming...how do serial murders who do things like cook and eat people live peacefully beside so many people who were completely unaware of their evil? You see their stunned faces on the news when they say, he was thoughtful, so nice, the perfect neighbor...
It is a very evil thing this sin thing. You just re reminded me about how the flesh can be so deceitful. We need a totally new heart. And yet we walk in these "earth suits" that are capable of such evil. Except for the grace of God. wow. Do we even know the all of what we are spared of???
T
[h=3]A Warning Against Hypocrisy[/h][FONT="]MATT 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.[/FONT]
I think outwardly, they did practice what they preached. I think Jesus meant they didn't do it in spirit and truth, just outward play-acting. If anyone had seen a Pharisee not being very meticulous, he'd have a lot to answer for I think. Especially since one of their big things was harassing everyone else for the slightest slip.
So the verse you have bolded, I always thought it tied in to: your righteousness must exceed their righteousness, too.
So the verse you have bolded, I always thought it tied in to: your righteousness must exceed their righteousness, too.
Amen! Jesus speaks of giving us rest regarding the teaching of the hypocrites vs His faithful and true teaching. It does not contain the condemnation. It contains mercy. It is not full of ritual,. It is peaceful and love-filled. There is no sacrifice but mercy, no condemnation but pardon.
So many misguided "grace-filled" folks are selling the idea that we rest from our mundane labrsors. Does anyone see our brethren sitting around with no mundane responsibilities to meet? I do not. Perhaps those who say they are at rest are counted among those who say but never do, I cannot say.
God bless all who receive the rest spoken of by Jesus Christ, amen.
So many misguided "grace-filled" folks are selling the idea that we rest from our mundane labrsors. Does anyone see our brethren sitting around with no mundane responsibilities to meet? I do not. Perhaps those who say they are at rest are counted among those who say but never do, I cannot say.
God bless all who receive the rest spoken of by Jesus Christ, amen.
Please be sure to NOT make the same mistake many, many here make. We ARE NOT speaking of the Levitical Laws that are argued over here so much. We are speaking of the Law of Faith, the New Covenant Law, Grace, Faith.......There is a HUGE difference there.
People see the word "Law," and right away they freak out...........just saying, be sure to distinguish between the Levitical Laws and the Law of Faith of the New Covenant. Christ did, the Apostle Paul did, and the rest of the Apostles did.
People see the word "Law," and right away they freak out...........just saying, be sure to distinguish between the Levitical Laws and the Law of Faith of the New Covenant. Christ did, the Apostle Paul did, and the rest of the Apostles did.
"The Pharisees didn't keep the law", they pretended to keep the law. If they did keep it correctly they wouldn't have been called Hypocrites.
Some definitions of Hypocrite.
Hypocrite = a person who pretends to be what he is not.
= a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs.
= The word hypocrite is rooted in the Greek word hypokrites, which means “stage actor, pretender, dissembler.” So think of a hypocrite as a person who pretends to be a certain way, but really acts and believes the total opposite.
Jesus was upset with them because they claimed to keep the law, and everyone looked to them as an example, but they were just pretending to keep it.
Some definitions of Hypocrite.
Hypocrite = a person who pretends to be what he is not.
= a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs.
= The word hypocrite is rooted in the Greek word hypokrites, which means “stage actor, pretender, dissembler.” So think of a hypocrite as a person who pretends to be a certain way, but really acts and believes the total opposite.
Jesus was upset with them because they claimed to keep the law, and everyone looked to them as an example, but they were just pretending to keep it.
F
Well, Paul when he was Saul was a Pharisee wasn't he? And he claimed that as for the righteousness based on the Law that he was faultless. And yet, he considered it nothing more than dung.
Why? Because the only righteousness that the Law can produce is self-righteousness. That's the best the Law can produce in man. And while a self-righteous man may appear blameless before other men, they are anything but righteous before God.
Why? Because the only righteousness that the Law can produce is self-righteousness. That's the best the Law can produce in man. And while a self-righteous man may appear blameless before other men, they are anything but righteous before God.
All your doing is re-packaging the ten commandments and calling it the Law of Faith.
It is really a shame that people are unable to grasp the concept of the Law of Faith that Jesus established and the Apostle Paul taught. But, ya know what? That's their problem, not mine. I am completely at ease with what I believe, and at peace with the Holy Spirit concerning what He has given me in understanding of Scripture, and that is what is important to me. Other people can choose for themselves.......that is between them and God.
By your assessment, I suppose I am "re-packaging" Gods Word concerning homosexual behavior, and other assortments of immoral life styles which were spoken of in the First Testament, and as well in Romans, Chapter 1, when Paul was preaching the "GOSPEL OF CHRIST" (the Gospel of the New Covenant) to the Romans right?
Or, do you believe that we are not to concern ourselves with Gods directives/commandments concerning such life styles as it is ALL GRACE ALL THE TIME now, and such things will not be counted against us?
You (and others) should actually spend some quality time searching Scripture to see ALL the Apostle taught about various acceptable and unacceptable life styles and such TO THE CHURCH. Then come back and tell me how I RE-PACKAGE what was included as unacceptable under the First Covenant, AND REMAINS unacceptable under the New Covenant.
It's all my fault I suppose.............goodness..........even if intended for humor, this comment simply highlights the blind bias of folks concerning Biblical truths.
But, shoot, y'all go ahead.............all grace...........nothing but grace.......grace is all..........grace and nothing but grace......and THAT IS NOT EVEN WHAT THE SCRIPTURE YOU FOLKS QUOTE as your support SAYS!
Under the Law it was do, do, do. Under grace it is God saying "I will, I will, I will". It's an entirely new program, better in every way.
And contrary to popular belief resting in Christ is not inactivity, but Christ's activity.
Talk about "re-packaging," or, rather "adding to"...........please show scripture for this statement.
F
Is a wife still obligated to her dead husband as well as her new husband? "You were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God" (Rom. 7:4). The Law no longer has jurisdiction in our lives. We have been spiritually joined to Christ, and it is He who now has all jurisdiction in our life. The mingling together of the old with the new, of law with grace, is spiritual polyandry and an affront to God.
The Law is neither the grounds of our acceptance before God nor the rule of our life. Under grace Jesus is Himself the divine directive in our lives, who guides and leads us from within…..and He is more than able.
The Law is neither the grounds of our acceptance before God nor the rule of our life. Under grace Jesus is Himself the divine directive in our lives, who guides and leads us from within…..and He is more than able.
Yeah, here you go again............and it is really a shame that you continue to utilize evasive, and misrepresentative statements to try and belittle my beliefs............You are not being honest or acting with moral integrity whatsoever.
Intentionally deceptive representation of the words/thoughts/beliefs of others when one knows they are doing so is a FRUIT OF THE DECEIVER and not the Holy Spirit. Enjoy your fruit.
You INTENTIONALLY and INCESSANTLY FALSELY try and portray that I am speaking of the Levitical Laws, when YOU KNOW FULLY WELL I AM NOT, AND HAVE STATED SO DOZENS OF TIMES HERE.
You have now become just another person "blowing smoke" in attempts to confuse others and willfully misrepresent my comments/beliefs. Because of this..........I do not see you any longer as worthy of even bothering to converse with.
There is no honesty in your representation of my thoughts/beliefs, and if you will lie about that, what else will you lie about?
Time to update my Ignore List
(folks who have such a low level of honesty and integrity are not worthy of fellowshipping with)
Intentionally deceptive representation of the words/thoughts/beliefs of others when one knows they are doing so is a FRUIT OF THE DECEIVER and not the Holy Spirit. Enjoy your fruit.
You INTENTIONALLY and INCESSANTLY FALSELY try and portray that I am speaking of the Levitical Laws, when YOU KNOW FULLY WELL I AM NOT, AND HAVE STATED SO DOZENS OF TIMES HERE.
You have now become just another person "blowing smoke" in attempts to confuse others and willfully misrepresent my comments/beliefs. Because of this..........I do not see you any longer as worthy of even bothering to converse with.
There is no honesty in your representation of my thoughts/beliefs, and if you will lie about that, what else will you lie about?
Time to update my Ignore List
(folks who have such a low level of honesty and integrity are not worthy of fellowshipping with)