Sabbath

VCO · Apr 1, 2017

VCO said:

I forgot to justify with Scripture that the Human Spirit is birthed into Eternal Life.

John 5:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.

Since we know this body will DIE, we KNOW it is the human spirit that HAS the eternal life within us.

NOW JUST SO YOU WILL NOT MISS THE FACT, THAT HE FORMS THE HUMAN SPIRIT WITHIN US, AND NOT AFTER OUR DEATHS, READ THIS:

Zechariah 12:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] An Oracle The word of the LORD concerning Israel. A declaration of the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.

dcontroversal · Apr 1, 2017

Willie-T said:

I heard that......they met every day in ACTS and God blessed....and it only takes 2 for it to be legit.....!

Rockrz · Apr 1, 2017

The sabbath under the New Covenant is ALL days of the week... not just one.

God made it better than it was before under the OT

Hebrews 4:9-11
There remain therefore a rest (sabbath) to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Living IN CHRIST is the sabbath under the New Covenant. We are to enter in to CHRIST permanently and rest IN HIM and cease from our own works, seeking to justify ourselves with offerings like the did under the Old Covenant.

Those that are Saturday seekers need to learn to enter into Christ and stop seeking to justify yourself by telling God what a good little boy you are by observing Saturday as the one day that is holy (set apart unto the Lord) in your week when you should be setting ALL days of the week as well as your entire life and all your possessions as being holy (set apart unto the Lord).

You Saturday seekers need to read Hebrews 10 and learn about the New Covenant (notice verse 9 - He takes away the first, that he may establish the second... speaking of taking away the Old Covenant so He could establish the New Covenant)

Did you fellas disavow the extra biblical teachings of Ellen White yet???
She's got some freaky deaky stuff, man

prove-all · Apr 1, 2017

VCO said:

-One will certainly know when they are born again, they will be spirit...

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst
not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

-One does not inherit the Kingdom in the flesh...

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit
the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

-Flesh and blood are visible. So if you are still flesh and blood,
you have not inherited the Kingdom and therefore are not born again.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul explains when, at the last trump. We will be CHANGED to spirit, changed
such that we do not see corruption. Changed to immortal.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:53-corruptible:G5349

f?a?t?´?
phthartos
fthar-tos'
From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: - corruptible.
Total KJV occurrences: 6

incorruption:G861

a?f?a?s?´a
aphtharsia
af-thar-see'-ah
From G862; incorruptibility; generally unending existence; (figuratively) genuineness: - immortality, incorruption, sincerity.
Total KJV occurrences: 8

mortal:G2349

???t?´?
thne¯tos
thnay-tos'
From G2348; liable to die: - mortal (-ity).
Total KJV occurrences: 6

immortality:G110

a??a?as?´a
athanasia
ath-an-as-ee'-ah
From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and G2288; deathlessness:
- immortality. Total KJV occurrences: 3

It will be quite evident at the resurrection when one is BORN again.
Now if you want to discuss being begotten, that is something that does occur in this lifetime.

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3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy [hath begotten us] again
unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

-The word used here for "Being born again" is: G313

a??a?e??a´?
anagennao¯
an-ag-en-nah'-o
From G303 and G1080; to beget or (by extension) bear (again): - beget, (bear) X again.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

It means begettal, not birth. If you don't understand the difference, ask your wife,
if she has had children, she will make it very clear to you there is a BIG difference.
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That which is born of the flesh is flesh: in a physical birth, we are physical beings.
But that which is born of the Spirit is spirit: in a spiritual birth, we are spiritual beings!

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption” (I Cor. 15:50).

-Flesh and blood are visible. So if you are still flesh and blood,
you have not inherited the Kingdom and therefore are not born again.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit
the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

-As long as we have flesh that is subject to decay, we cannot enter the Kingdom.
We enter the Kingdom at the resurrection...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
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To be born of the spirit is made plain in this passage...

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up?
and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be,
but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth:

-wind is invisible, you can not see it.
so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

if you where born again you would be an invisible spirit.
we are begotten not yet born, still growing from that seed he planted in you

2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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The Prophet Daniel wrote of this Kingdom of God.

“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall
never be destroyed … but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand for ever” (Dan. 2:44).

To “stand for ever” it will, of necessity, be a Kingdom of immortals, not mortals.
It will be a world-ruling Kingdom! Daniel’s 7th chapter portrays it again—and shows
the connection with being “born again.” The four world empires—Babylon through
Rome and its coming resurrection in Europe—are pictured as four beasts—wild animals

Verses 17-18: “These great beasts, which are four, are four kings [kingdoms],
which shall arise out of the earth.

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.” To possess it for ever, the saints will have to be immortal!

“made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days
[Christ at Second Coming] came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom” (vv. 21-22). Read also verse 27.

The Second Coming of Christ is described thus: “And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become
the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever”
(Rev. 11:15).

Jesus said, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3).

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” (v. 6).
Man is now flesh—human. He is material substance.

“[D]ust thou art,” said God to Adam, “and unto dust shalt thou return.” Again,
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into
his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Gen. 3:19 and 2:7).

Jesus plainly said , when one is born of the Spirit he will BE spirit!
Look at it! Read it in your own Bible.

prove-all · Apr 1, 2017

God’s Spirit entering and dwelling in one comparesto the physical sperm impregnating
the ovum—the imparting of eternal spirit life, later to produce—to bring forth—
a spirit person! A fertilized ovum—an embryo—is not a born human person.

Life from the father has been imparted to it—he has begotten it—but neither
embryo nor fetus is yet a born person. In the same manner, the Spirit-begotten human
is not, yet, a spirit person or being, as Jesus said he shall be when born again!

“But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up
Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you”

Jesus said, that which is born of the flesh is flesh—a born human.
That which is born of the Spirit (God) is spirit—a born spirit person!

A mortal human life starts when a sperm cell from the body of the father impregnates
—imparts physical life to—an ovum (egg cell) in the mother. At this point the father
begets, sires. He does not “bring forth”: the mother does that, later. His part in the
process leading to final birth is then done. But there is a time element.

At the time of begettal, birth (parturition) has not yet occurred.

It is necessary to make this explanation, at this point, because the popular deception
of a deceived traditional “Christianity” is to claim that when one “receives Christ”
—“accepts Christ”—“professesChrist”—or first receives God’s Holy Spirit to dwell
in him, that he is already “born again.”

We are now flesh—vile corruptible flesh subject to rotting and decay.
But at Christ’s coming, when we shall be born of God, this vile body shall be changed,
and made exactly like Jesus in His glorified body!

Now what shall He be like? If you can know that, you can know what born-again
Christians shall then be like—for they shall be like Him!

What does the glorified Christ look like? His eyes blaze forth like flames of fire!

His feet glow like finely burnished brass. His face shines like the sun, in full strength
—so bright, it would blind your eyes if He were visible to you now!
(Rev. 1:14-16; 19:12-13; Matt. 17:2).

VCO · Apr 1, 2017

prove-all said:

HE DID NOT, HE SAID:

John 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water {the breaking of water at natural child birth} and the Spirit,he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
NO WHERE in that context does it say that is something that happens after this body is gone. You are following the teachings of a False Prophet.

Zechariah 12:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The oracle of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed {FORMED - PAST TENSE) the spirit of man within him:

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (ESV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

My Spirit is alive an well within me.

Yours is still dead.

I repeat: You are following the teachings of a False Prophet.

1 Corinthians 15:50 (NRSV)
[SUP]50 [/SUP] What I am saying, brothers and sisters, is this: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Don't you know that the term "flesh and blood" is a synonym for "Mortal Body" or "Perishable Body"? That term NEVER refers to the Immortal Body.

1 Corinthians 15:53-54 (NRSV)
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this perishable body must put on imperishability, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this perishable body puts on imperishability, and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will be fulfilled: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

You claimed Paul said our body will be changed to a spirit. And again your False Prophet added to what the word of GOD actually said.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (RSV)
51 Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality.

In the FALSE ASSUMPTION, that your False Prophet claims is evidence that the body is Changed to a spirit, she over looked the fact that the word "spiritual" is the adjective and the word "body", is the NOUN.

VCO · Apr 1, 2017

prove-all said:

MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION:

I want a SPECIFIC straight forward YES or NO, answer.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE LITERAL PHYSICAL RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST?

prove-all · Apr 1, 2017

VCO said:

Has there been A time that I asked [A question] that you answered to?

Romans 1:4 (KJV)
And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness,

by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Timothy 6:16 (KJV)
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
whom[ no man] hath seen, [nor can see]: to whom be honour and power everlasting.
Amen.

Christ was raised from the dead- and people saw him, if he was in
His full form - then everyone would have been blinded or melted, or see [invisible].

John 4:24 (KJV)
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I believe Jesus was raised from the dead, I believe God who raised Christ up
will also raise me from the grave , or if still alive changed at Christs comming.

1 John 3:2 (KJV)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The bible says I will look and be like Him, and finally see him as he really is.
The bible does not say we go to heaven, the kingdom or Family comes here.

Christ keep his physical character points, but also is as a spirit being,
and also the glory returned He once had with the Father as the Word.

at-one-ment , when we meet our Maker face to face- atonement

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Matthew 6:10 (KJV)
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Luke 11:2 (KJV)
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Do you pray this ?

prove-all · Apr 1, 2017

Rockrz said:

[h=3]Titus 1:2 (KJV)[/h]

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Acts 2:38 (KJV)
Then Peter said unto them, [Repent, and be baptized] every one
of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive [the gift] of the Holy Ghost.

The New Covenant is founded on better promises (Hebrews 8:6),
which consist of “eternal inheritance” (Hebrews 9:15).

the New Covenant validates God's laws by putting them right into
the minds and hearts of true Christians!

Jesus was to "magnified" God's law (Isaiah 42:21, KJV). He taught that Christians
are not to murder, and must not even harbor an attitude of hate (Matthew 5:21–24)

He also said it was ok to do good on the Sabbath- He was Lord of the Sabbath day,
He did not say this day was [not] to be keep, or now ok to change something God made Holy.

"If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).
the bible says the law was ordained unto life, and Wherefore [the law is holy],
and the commandment holy, and just, and good. - the law was [not] the curse

Christ came "to confirm the promises made to the fathers" (Romans 15:8).
He outlined the terms and conditions of the New Covenant, saying:
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God" (Luke 4:4; Deu 8:3).

1 We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of God
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is
the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

-help of the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 4:30 (KJV)
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:14 (KJV)
Which is the earnest[security] of our inheritance [until the redemption]
of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Ecclesiastes 8:8
There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit;
neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in
that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Acts 20:28 (KJV)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath
made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that
all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink:

for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

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5But with many of them God was not well pleased:
for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6Now these things were [our examples], to the intent we
should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore
he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God,
who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

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1 John 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master,
what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Luke 18:18 -Mark 10:17-Matthew 19:29

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For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of
the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance;seeing they crucify
to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

James 1:12 (KJV)
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall
receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

VCO · Apr 1, 2017

prove-all said:

Has there been A time that I asked [A question] that you answered to?

Romans 1:4 (KJV)
And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness,

by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Timothy 6:16 (KJV)
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
whom[ no man] hath seen, [nor can see]: to whom be honour and power everlasting.
Amen.

Christ was raised from the dead- and people saw him, if he was in
His full form - then everyone would have been blinded or melted, or see [invisible].

John 4:24 (KJV)
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I believe Jesus was raised from the dead, I believe God who raised Christ up
will also raise me from the grave , or if still alive changed at Christs comming.

1 John 3:2 (KJV)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be:
but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The bible says I will look and be like Him, and finally see him as he really is.
The bible does not say we go to heaven, the kingdom or Family comes here.

Christ keep his physical character points, but also is as a spirit being,
and also the glory returned He once had with the Father as the Word.

at-one-ment , when we meet our Maker face to face- atonement

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Matthew 6:10 (KJV)
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Luke 11:2 (KJV)
And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

Do you pray this ?

I want a SPECIFIC straight forward YES or NO, answer. Are you ashamed to answer?

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE LITERAL PHYSICAL RESURRECTION
AND PHYSICAL ASCENSION OF THAT GLORIFIED BODY OF JESUS CHRIST?

prove-all · Apr 2, 2017

VCO said:

I am not ashamed to call God my Father, I answer to him, and [Remember his creation]

Do you believe a physical person can walk through walls?
I think I explained my position clear what I believe,maybe read between the lines.

What does the glorified Christ look like? His eyes blaze forth like flames of fire!

His feet glow like finely burnished brass. His face shines [like the sun, in full strength]
—so bright, it would blind your eyes if He were visible to you now!
(Rev. 1:14-16; 19:12-13; Matt. 17:2).

Do you think he was in this Glorified body like this back then?
Do you believe [you will look] like this, as the bible says?

beta · Apr 2, 2017

prove-all said:

Thank you prove-all ! wonderful posts all of them and based on the Word of God !
can we just clarify the question raised by VCO - was Jesus raised in His body or not ? I think He was since His Disciples (not everybody) could touch and see Him Joh 20 (v27). However, even that resurrected state was not complete and final for He had not yet 'ascended to the Father which would be perfected in Rom1v4 and He actually changed to Spirit.
Even we the begotten are already in a different state from the unbegotten but physically unrecognized by them - until resurrected from the dead Rom 1v4 and have put on the new body Phil3v21.
What do you think and how does it compere to scripture and Jesus' own experience ?

Grace777x70 · Apr 2, 2017

Jesus did not change into a Spirit when He went to stay in heaven. Jesus is called the Son of Man for a reason. He will always be our representative as a man in heaven before the Father. Jesus has a flesh and bone body but it is not limited to this physical world's limitations that our physical body has now.

To not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus and His body is not Christian.

One day we too will have a flesh and bone resurrected body like the Lord's. Here is Stephen seeing the "Son of man".

Acts 7:55-56 (KJV)
[SUP]55 [/SUP] But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

[SUP]56 [/SUP] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

The resurrection of the dead and the immortal human body is the ultimate redemption to us from the Lord's work.

Romans 8:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

[SUP]52 [/SUP] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

[SUP]54 [/SUP] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

VCO · Apr 2, 2017

beta said:

t t t

I have WAY MORE respect for you than for prove-all, because at least you provided a direct answer to the question. I totally disagree with that answer, because it is an answer that typically comes from a Psuedo Christian Cult. Specifically from the Watchtower Society publications. They also teach that His body vaporized as He ascended. Another typical characteristic of the Watchtower Cult, is to evade answering questions directly, so I want to compliment you on over-coming that.

Almost everyone here, except for you two, believe that Jesus rose from the Grave physically in a Glorified Immortal BODY that is every bit as PHYSICAL, but has all of the DIVINE abilities HE had when HE created the heavens and the Earth. AND HE Ascended in that same IMMORTAL, GLORIFIED BODY. We believe that in a mortal body Blood is necessary, because within the blood is the life of the Body (Lev. 17:11). In an Immortal, Glorified BODY, blood is not necessary, as the Eternal LIFE is in the SON (1 John 5:11).

We believe as our HIGH PRIEST, Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven Carrying His Blood in an Basin. He would have sprinkled some in the Holy of Holies on the Mercy Seat, then He would gone out to the Heavenly Altar, and rubbed some of the blood with His finger on each of the four horns of the Altar, and then He would have taken the remainder of HIS BLOOD in that Basin and poured it out all around the Base of that Heavenly Altar. WHY specifically there? I believe that is the Portal to Heaven, and by pouring His Blood there, we literally all enter Heaven through the Blood He shed on the Cross.

Leviticus 16:14 (YLT)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] `And he hath taken of the blood of the bullock, and hath sprinkled with his finger on the front of the mercy-seat eastward; even at the front of the mercy-seat he doth sprinkle seven times of the blood with his finger.

Leviticus 8:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then he brought the bull of the sin offering, and Aaron and his sons laid their hands on the head of the bull of the sin offering.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Next Moses slaughtered it and took the blood and with his finger put some of it around on the horns of the altar, and purified the altar. Then he poured out the rest of the blood at the base of the altar and consecrated it, to make atonement for it.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

We believe that the primary difference between JESUS and the rest of US mortals:
is that we are sinners and our human Spirits were CREATED BY HIM;
While HE is Holy, and the Spirit in JESUS IS THE SPIRIT OF THE CREATOR HIMSELF.

NOW, do you and prove-all admit that you DO NOT BELIEVE that JESUS is the Incarnation of GOD HIMSELF?

ARE YOU IN FACT, JEHOVAH WITNESSES?

beta · Apr 2, 2017

VCO said:

No Sir ! I am not nor ever have been....does that satisfy you ?
You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe...we will both answer to GOD, not each other. Is this the end of the 'spanish inquisition ? prove-all can answer for himself.

prove-all · Apr 2, 2017

VCO said:

Yes I have had lots of Jehovah Witnesses at my door over the years.
I have invited them in, and then proceeded to show where they where in error.
Now they seem to never come around. So [no sir ] to your persistent begging.

Now on the issue of this thread, I follow the bible and honor the Sabbath.

prove-all · Apr 2, 2017

VCO said:

No I am not in the Watchtower group, or ever was with them.
But I do know good people in the Seventh day advent church.
I also know good people from the normal sunday school churches.

evade answering ?

Funny Jesus himself said nothing , or asked a question in return,
or quoted old test. scripture to those trying to trick Him in responce.

The more you demand a question, the more I will feel like not answering.
Was Jesus a colt for Honoring the Sabbath day He made?

1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
And without controversy great is [the mystery] of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)
For [the mystery of iniquity] doth already work: only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.

Revelation 10:7 (KJV)
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound,
the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Do you believe the mystery of iniquity is at work in this current age?
Do you believe where the bible says the devil is god of this age, everyone decieved?

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1 John 5:19 (KJV)
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Luke 21:35 (KJV)
For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

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Revelation 12:9 (KJV)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels
were cast out with him.

Revelation 16:14 (KJV)
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the
earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

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Ecclesiastes 12:13 (KJV)
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God,
and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Grace777x70 · Apr 2, 2017

Here is a great thread that shows the difference between Sabbath keepers as in the law of Moses kind and what the true Sabbath rest is in Christ.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...like-hebrew-root-movement-messianic-jews.html

prove-all · Apr 2, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

all that thread does is show how disrespectfull the creator of
the thread is to others, and his disrespect of Gods Holy convocations.

2 Peter 2:2 (KJV)
And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Grace777x70 · Apr 2, 2017

prove-all said:

I believe it shows where some have exchanged Christ Himself for the law of Moses and those in effect are breaking the 1st commandment as well as not keep the Sabbath holy which means to sanctify the Lord Jesus Christ.

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