Salvation and how to "know" when you receive it.

[eternally-gratefull]

may the day be soon, when grace and works both eat grass and lie down together at peace in the same field, under warm light.

By hat day here will not be grace salvation and works salvation will there? We should be united by the one true gospel by then

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if my child kill a human, I Will remind him not to, but he has a free Will.

God do not want us to commit sin even a s all sin, but AS a Christian we commit sin, not that God want us to, God want us to be Holy but not force It.

If you child killed every day you would let him live his free will? And not do anything to stop him?

 

[Jackson123]

if I have not repented I am already lost,

you cant repent every day, God will not be mocked, and if you already know something is sin and agree with God it is sin, you can not repent of it again,

again, you can not kill every day,

and again Ian I ask, what happn s if between the last time you sin and the time you repent you get killed your lost forever right?

So after repent you never commit sin anymore?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So after repent you never commit sin anymore?

never said that, when I first repented, I changed my view and already told God son was sin, do not change m mind again and believ it is no longer a sin, then have to repent again.

look up the word repent, I think you mean confess. Not repent.

 

[Jackson123]

If you child killed every day you would let him live his free will? And not do anything to stop him?

the only I can do is warn him, because I do not want him to be a killer.

God do not want us to commit any sin at all, is that mean after save, never commit sin anymore

yes It is God Will not to sin, but He not force it

 

[Jackson123]

never said that, when I first repented, I changed my view and already told God son was sin, do not change m mind again and believ it is no longer a sin, then have to repent again.

look up the word repent, I think you mean confess. Not repent.

yep, I am Sorry, you may right, It is confess.

 

[Rosemaryx]

the only I can do is warn him, because I do not want him to be a killer.

God do not want us to commit any sin at all, is that mean after save, never commit sin anymore

yes It is God Will not to sin, but He not force it

Hi Jackson...I believe we must confess our sins daily under the fresh water flowing from our Savior, repent is a daily thing, not a once in a life time...We must never take for granted what our Lord and Savior has done for us, His awful death, the spitting, the pulling on His cheek that tore His beard every time i think of that alone it pulls my heart, the beating of His face, no one could recognize Him unless they knew Him, the stripes, one 39, one left of from 40 for mercy, Oh LORD come quick...xox...

 

[Jackson123]

Hi Jackson...I believe we must confess our sins daily under the fresh water flowing from our Savior, repent is a daily thing, not a once in a life time...We must never take for granted what our Lord and Savior has done for us, His awful death, the spitting, the pulling on His cheek that tore His beard every time i think of that alone it pulls my heart, the beating of His face, no one could recognize Him unless they knew Him, the stripes, one 39, one left of from 40 for mercy, Oh LORD come quick...xox...

some people believe repent is when you first time accept Jesus, after that when you commit sin, you need to confess and saking forgiveness. It only matter of terminology not serious problem.

 

[joefizz]

Hebrews 10

6For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.






Repentance and belief.

You live by Faith... and drawing back is possible if you don't believe to the saving of your soul.

Confidence brings reward...

Please don't counter this Scripture with Scripture... I believe all things and nothing counters but affirms... it is only interpretation that can bring a counter.

If you would like to share your interpretation of the above then please do politely... we are here to learn.. also no Greek meanings because GOD is found by those who seek Him with a willing heart. No scripture is of private interpretation as to believe seperate doctrine to understand it...

interesting scripture choices and I particularly like you bringing up"it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"because we should "All" fear God,no matter our branches of Christianity,because only he can destroy both body and soul,and He is our Almighty and Just God,he is to be respected obeyed and feared,Amen!

 

[Rosemaryx]

some people believe repent is when you first time accept Jesus, after that when you commit sin, you need to confess and saking forgiveness. It only matter of terminology not serious problem.

Hi Jackson...I could not go on with my every day life if i committed sin and not repent/confess to the Lord that He is right and i am wrong, because guilt would over come me, for this reason i must confess and be continually washed in my Lords living waters...xox...

 

[Jackson123]

Hi Jackson...I could not go on with my every day life if i committed sin and not repent/confess to the Lord that He is right and i am wrong, because guilt would over come me, for this reason i must confess and be continually washed in my Lords living waters...xox...

that is sign of the Holy spirit in you. It is a good sign sister, keep It for the rest of your life

 

[joefizz]

Most of my Christian life has been like the Hokey Cokey dance.

In out, in out.

My performance dictated my relationship with God and installed an unhealthy fear that lead to guilt and condemnation.
I would meditate on scripture but mainly looking at worst possible outcome. YOUR OUT, SINNED TOO MUCH.

Then one day I was laid up with a bad back.
I felt God ask me to spend time with him, at the 4th request I complied.

So I opened my bible and felt led to read

Romans 5:1-2
Chapter 5
Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

I looked up the word faith and peace. Particularly peace. I used to think it meant an inner peace and as I didn't have this then obviously I didn't have faith. I never realised it meant there was no hostility between God and me. No more war.

Then I looked at faith. I realised I had faith in Jesus. Not a faith that gives a mental assent only but one that wants to be so much like him.

Then I felt God lead me to

John 8:10-12
10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11 She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

I read and asked God the purpose of me reading this.
He said "Look at what Jesus said to the lady"

Then it hit me. He didn't say "Go sin no more and I won't condemn you"
It was the other around to me it as like him saying "I don't condemn you, now that I don't live your life according to that and according to my will for me"

Wow God doesn't condemn me, he knows I want to be like Jesus, that I hate my sin and when I get it wrong.

Then God led me to

Romans 8:1
Assurance of Eternal Life in the Spirit (8:1-30)
The Spirit of Life
1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.

Then finally he led me to the following

John 17:23
23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

As I was reading it I had a picture. The above verse was written on a silver bullet put in a gun and pointed at my heart.
The gun was fired and that bullet went straight into my heart and brought me to tears.

GOD LOVES ME AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS.

It was like a whole weight had been lifted.
In fact when my wife came home she looked at me and asked "What's gone on, you look totally different"

That was 7 years ago, (25 years after placing my faith in Jesus) when I actually became secure in the fact that through Jesus and being in Jesus my salvation was not a Hokey Cokey dance. But a merry dance with Jesus.

Sorry for the long post.

Yep God doesn't condemn those who are his,but expects them to "Try" to sin no more,just like the woman,Jesus told her "go and sin no more" not that this was possible foe her,but that the particular sin she was accused of,that she would repent of it and seek to not sin,Great Share!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the only I can do is warn him, because I do not want him to be a killer.

God do not want us to commit any sin at all, is that mean after save, never commit sin anymore

yes It is God Will not to sin, but He not force it

I can do do more than that,

i can punish him, chasten him, not let let him out of the house (depending on his age)

and I can report him to the police where he will be taken where he can not do it again. (Which I better have done to begin with as far as murder goes,)

god can do do much more than that, and he promised he will. He even has the power to take us home where we can not do it again (sin unto death)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yep, I am Sorry, you may right, It is confess.

that makes much more sense. But then the same questions must be asked. What if?

 

[joefizz]

Bill since you witness you were drawn by GOD to those verses and have inner peace I have no authority to speak against it.

I too was drawn and received inner peace.. by GODs Grace and drawn to Scripture and love the verses you share also...

Would you mind if we continue in our Faith peacefully? I look not to judge just share what I received... sometimes zealousness can cause heated tones.

But like I say you have stated the above and we can both continue the race.

peace and Blessings.

"love thy neighbor as yourself"glad to see this practiced here!

 

[Rosemaryx]

that is sign of the Holy spirit in you. It is a good sign sister, keep It for the rest of your life

Thank you so much...Such an uplifting word spoken from the Holy Spirit within you, amazing what one comment can do when we abide...Praise the Lord \o/...xox...

 

[joefizz]

I have no desire to fight anyone here.
Yes at times my emotions have got the better of me and I have had to apologise.
We are brothers and sisters in Jesus. One family.

I agree that we should all endeavour to act towards each other as Jesus has asked us to.

Peace and blessings to you as well.

"drawn with one mind and one accord" good to see,Amen!

 

[joefizz]

Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

Yes for if we look to our own knowledge we know not truth,if we look to Jesus we find "Truth".

 

[joefizz]

I think the main issue for me as well was that whatever ever I did even when it was right was never gonna be good enough.

Yes and sadly some focus on giving to God or doing for God"just enough" instead of being for him firmly and doing what we can for him especially when he wills it!

 

[Rosemaryx]

Yep God doesn't condemn those who are his,but expects them to "Try" to sin no more,just like the woman,Jesus told her "go and sin no more" not that this was possible foe her,but that the particular sin she was accused of,that she would repent of it and seek to not sin,Great Share!

Hi Joe...I love about about the lady at the well...Jesus spoke of the living waters to her, He said if you knew me you would give me a drink, she was like " How can i give you a drink, you have no bucket ", that`s when He said if you drink from Me you will never thirst...He then told her about herself after she admitted she had no husband but had had many men, when she realized after telling Him that she was waiting for her Savior, He was the Savior, then she ran and told all those in her town " this is the Savior, for He told me all things ", and many followed Him and believed...Just as we must do, trust,lean and rely on Him...xox...