Salvation and how to "know" when you receive it.

[joefizz]

Refresh my memory.

the refresh button didn't work on you so I suppose you didn't accuse anyone!

 

[joefizz]

What? 1,540 pages, 30,792 replies STILL isn't enough for you so time to bring the argument to more and more posts?

no harm in discussing and learning,no matter how long resolutions take to be concluded.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I love what John says

1 john 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

knowing what we have in Christ is our assurance that keeps us believing in Christ, not how good we are or how many works we do,

in my view, faith in Christ is based on knowledge of what we are in Christ, works are produced as a result of that faith.

 

[20]

We are Sons and Daughters of God because we are lead by the Spirit of God KJVRomans8:14 14." For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God". We have received the Spirit of adoption and by him we cry, Abba Father KJVRomans8:15 15."For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba Father". The Spirit himself testify with our spirit that we are Sons and Daughters of God KJVRomans8:16 16. "The Spirit itself beareth withness with our spirit, that we are the Children of God": Now, if we are Children,then we are heirs, heirs of God ... KJVRomans8;17 17."And if Children,then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together". Thanks the Lord for his Spirit, Blessed the Lords name.

 

[Jackson123]

I love what John says

1 john 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

knowing what we have in Christ is our assurance that keeps us believing in Christ, not how good we are or how many works we do,

in my view, faith in Christ is based on knowledge of what we are in Christ, works are produced as a result of that faith.

for sure in matt 25 Jesus say He Will judge base oN the fruit of the faith.


These is the fruit of the faith I do not know If the save have good knowledge of what faith is, at verse 37 the save ask, when did I see you hungry and I feed you?this question indicate that the save do not know that when you love the poor and the stranger mean you love the Lord, and when you do not the poor or the stranger mean you hate the Lord.


34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

 

[CherieR]

It seems even when I was real young, as a young child I had questioned salvation. I prayed a prayer but now I don't remember anything of what I said. I also remember being a young girl in the back seat of my parent's car asking if I was saved now. In middle school I think I delayed praying the sinner's prayer thinking to myself " later". It was during that time that I struggled with knowing if I loved God or not. I actually said online something about not being sure if I loved God and might have asked for prayer. In high school I started getting anixous( begin checking my pulse I believe sometime in 9th grade) and that led up to panic attacks. Quite a few actually. Sometime during this time I would pray again and again the sinner's prayer in some form or another. Someone hugged me after I prayed it with her but I still didn't have peace. I think part of the reason I was having panic attacks was that I was afraid to die and go to hell. For a long time, possibly late middle school or sometime in high school, I could not call God Father and be comfortable with it. I talked to at least one pastor about this, but I don't recall what he said. It was only until May 2012, that I could call God Father. On one day in May I had someone pray for me to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. It was a powerful experience and shortly after that I could call God Father. I was kinda puzzled about it. Why after not being able to call God Father for the longest time did I feel so comfortable calling God Father in an instant? Even after that I had some problems. I thought about the rapture before worrying that I might have been left behind and my mom taken when I did not see her once. Some time ago OCD kicked in like a crazy spike like never before. I struggled with scrupulosity and at some point prayed asking Jesus to save me a lot. I prayed a variety of ways of saying the same thing. I had questioned I said something and then would pray it again. That eventually subsided for the most part. One time I prayed Lord Jesus save me and I said some other things and then I felt a since of peace. Sometime after this, possibly after reading something involving hell or the need to trust Jesus and I prayed something 2 times. The last time asking Jesus to save me and adding something on the line of I put my trust in you to save me. I may have also said that I was trusting in his sacrifice to save me too. After that, I still felt a urge to pray again because I felt I needed to say Lord Jesus save me every time( instead of just saying Jesus). I pretty much figured that I did not need to say that again since I remember specifically asking " Lord Jesus, save me". I also felt if I prayed it again, I would be trusting in the prayer more to save me rather than Jesus. And I resisted praying it again. It took a little while for the urge to pray it to go away but sure enough it went away. I have stopped asking Jesus to save me now. Now I am just trusting in him to save me. I find comfort reading that those who trust in the Lord will not be condemned( see Psalm 34:22) I am resting now. I desire to see my dad in heaven again and my grandparents too. I think it is ok to have doubts about salvation. The important thing is that you are trusting in Jesus and in his work on the cross and resurrection to save.

 

[joefizz]

How do I know I am saved? Joy, pure joy the like of which I had never experienced and this came after I had accepted God in my heart but before I had spoken the sinner's prayer. God already knew I wanted Him to be part of my life before I spoke those words because of the weeks leading up to it. I spent the following two weeks "walking on air" and unable to concentrate on daily tasks including work lol and the first two years slightly less so.

There are some here who will tell me this cannot be so but I know what happened to me and when.

nope as with my experience that is the feeling of being saved,you are overjoyed and eager to work for God in some way!

 

[joefizz]

if I have not repented I am already lost,

you cant repent every day, God will not be mocked, and if you already know something is sin and agree with God it is sin, you can not repent of it again,

again, you can not kill every day,

and again Ian I ask, what happn s if between the last time you sin and the time you repent you get killed your lost forever right?

I know you can't kill every day because Monday never dies!(couldn't resist)

 

[tribesman]

The one who have received salvation will surely know this. A baby know when its born, although it can't articulate him/herself much about it to its parents. Someone who was drowned in the depths of the sea and got revived, quickened, for sure knows this and will be thankful to the one rescuing him/her for good.

Eph.2

[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[2] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
[3] Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
[17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
[18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
[21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
[22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[p_rehbein]

Does anyone actually BELIEVE they have to be TOLD that they received salvation?

(.......goodness........)

 

[joefizz]

Lol, so. Just let it go?

if you don't like it you do not need to stay, I can not remember haven spoken to this person before, anyway,

I am aloud to disagree with people am I not? Did these s room b come a dictatorship where we are not aloud to share our views or ur disagreements?

Yes if a person does not wish to discuss a topic anymore they are free to discuss another topic or do something else.

 

[joefizz]

Hi Joe...I love about about the lady at the well...Jesus spoke of the living waters to her, He said if you knew me you would give me a drink, she was like " How can i give you a drink, you have no bucket ", that`s when He said if you drink from Me you will never thirst...He then told her about herself after she admitted she had no husband but had had many men, when she realized after telling Him that she was waiting for her Savior, He was the Savior, then she ran and told all those in her town " this is the Savior, for He told me all things ", and many followed Him and believed...Just as we must do, trust,lean and rely on Him...xox...

well as I recall the account was this...
Jesus came unto a well where a woman was and said unto her "give me to drink" and she replied "why asketh me for to drink seeing that I am a samaritan"?
and he said "I thirst to drink of living water that when one drinks they never thirst" and she said"I perceive that thou art a prophet" and then as you said she spoke of having no husband yet he knew she had been with many men,and went and spoke of meeting the lord whom told her much.

 

[joefizz]

joefizz.

Thanks for starting this thread.
its great to hear people's experiences and how they come to faith in Jesus.
Let us all rejoice with each other with what Jesus has done for us and to he is for us and what he is doing in us.

Thank you for bringing the focus back

all is guided by the spirit for tis was not all mine will alone but God's as well that you have peaceable discussion of the salvation he "freely" gives,I hope ye shall stand stead fast in "Truth" not hate,and seek "Answers" when discussing as well as "fellowship" and "Understanding" of God's word for both whom ask questions and answer questions,for therein shall ye grow in spirit,Amen and God bless you "All"!

 

[joefizz]

It seems even when I was real young, as a young child I had questioned salvation. I prayed a prayer but now I don't remember anything of what I said. I also remember being a young girl in the back seat of my parent's car asking if I was saved now. In middle school I think I delayed praying the sinner's prayer thinking to myself " later". It was during that time that I struggled with knowing if I loved God or not. I actually said online something about not being sure if I loved God and might have asked for prayer. In high school I started getting anixous( begin checking my pulse I believe sometime in 9th grade) and that led up to panic attacks. Quite a few actually. Sometime during this time I would pray again and again the sinner's prayer in some form or another. Someone hugged me after I prayed it with her but I still didn't have peace. I think part of the reason I was having panic attacks was that I was afraid to die and go to hell. For a long time, possibly late middle school or sometime in high school, I could not call God Father and be comfortable with it. I talked to at least one pastor about this, but I don't recall what he said. It was only until May 2012, that I could call God Father. On one day in May I had someone pray for me to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. It was a powerful experience and shortly after that I could call God Father. I was kinda puzzled about it. Why after not being able to call God Father for the longest time did I feel so comfortable calling God Father in an instant? Even after that I had some problems. I thought about the rapture before worrying that I might have been left behind and my mom taken when I did not see her once. Some time ago OCD kicked in like a crazy spike like never before. I struggled with scrupulosity and at some point prayed asking Jesus to save me a lot. I prayed a variety of ways of saying the same thing. I had questioned I said something and then would pray it again. That eventually subsided for the most part. One time I prayed Lord Jesus save me and I said some other things and then I felt a since of peace. Sometime after this, possibly after reading something involving hell or the need to trust Jesus and I prayed something 2 times. The last time asking Jesus to save me and adding something on the line of I put my trust in you to save me. I may have also said that I was trusting in his sacrifice to save me too. After that, I still felt a urge to pray again because I felt I needed to say Lord Jesus save me every time( instead of just saying Jesus). I pretty much figured that I did not need to say that again since I remember specifically asking " Lord Jesus, save me". I also felt if I prayed it again, I would be trusting in the prayer more to save me rather than Jesus. And I resisted praying it again. It took a little while for the urge to pray it to go away but sure enough it went away. I have stopped asking Jesus to save me now. Now I am just trusting in him to save me. I find comfort reading that those who trust in the Lord will not be condemned( see Psalm 34:22) I am resting now. I desire to see my dad in heaven again and my grandparents too. I think it is ok to have doubts about salvation. The important thing is that you are trusting in Jesus and in his work on the cross and resurrection to save.

Great share,though I hope someday you can no longer doubt salvation as well as receive it but "You" must ask for it to "receive" just try opening your heart to God,you now call him father,so fear not to ask for what he is willing to "freely" give to you,as it is written"speak and it shall be given unto you",though I shall not force you,because receiving salvation or not is "your" decision.

 

[joefizz]

Does anyone actually BELIEVE they have to be TOLD that they received salvation?

(.......goodness........)

well "knowing" that one is "saved" is comforting to individuals such as myself.

 

[p_rehbein]

Of course it is...........but did someone HAVE TO TELL YOU? Or, when you invited Christ into your life, did you KNOW when He came to you? Anyone who has EVER experienced the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit does NOT have to be TOLD!

well "knowing" that one is "saved" is comforting to individuals such as myself.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes with wrong teaching about being secure in Christ - it can mess with our minds and we can become unstable in our thought life even though in our new creations in Christ - we are the righteousness of God in Christ, holy and blameless in His sight because of Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.

Bad church teachings no matter how well-intentioned can severely hamper our faith in Christ and cause us to have a ship-wrecked faith while walking in this earth.

( No, our loving Father does not send His beloved children bought and redeemed by the blood of Jesus into hell and the lake of fire because their faith for living in this earth is not matured to walk in the things that our inheritance because we are in Christ now. A Ship-wrecked faith does not mean God kicking us out of Christ.)

This can mess with our "knowing" that we have salvation. There is a vast difference between the mind and the heart of man. The mind can be filled with religious teachings that can nullify the grace of God that is in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection from operating in our lives like it was meant to.

 

[notuptome]

Does anyone actually BELIEVE they have to be TOLD that they received salvation?

(.......goodness........)

Would you have me to believe that God revealed to me His terrible wrath upon sin and would not give me full assurance that I am not subject to that wrath?

God does not operate in doubt or uncertainty. Scripture speaks to all men with respect to their salvation.

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Grace777x70]

God does not want to confuse us about the work of Christ "for" us with the work of the Spirit "in" us.

Holy Spirit witnesses/testifies "to" us that God remembers our sins no more. Heb. 10:15-18

It is He that witnesses "to" us of our sins are forever gone and not "with" us as when He testifies that we are the children of God.

We must believe what God says about our sins. Many of us Christians are trying to "feel" in our hearts because we are confusing the witness of the Holy Spirit with our own spirit - as in Romans 8:16

Romans 8:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,

We need to know the work of Christ "for" us . ( Romans 1-7 ) so that we would experience the work of the Spirit "in" us in Romans 8.

The experience of the work of the Spirit "in" us is from believing the work of Christ "for" us.

Sometimes we try to "feel or sense" the Spirit in us but we can become confused in our natural minds. We need to believe and know the work of Christ "for" us in order to get a clear witness inside us ( our spirit ) from the work of the Spirit "in" us.

 

[CherieR]

Great share,though I hope someday you can no longer doubt salvation as well as receive it but "You" must ask for it to "receive" just try opening your heart to God,you now call him father,so fear not to ask for what he is willing to "freely" give to you,as it is written"speak and it shall be given unto you",though I shall not force you,because receiving salvation or not is "your" decision.

I have received salvation because I have received Jesus. My point is that one can still have a little uncertainty about salvation even though one is saved. That is where faith and trusting in Jesus to save you kicks in.