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RBA238

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That's the point... Millions of people simply cannot believe the Gospel that they are saved by grace through faith.. They simply cannot believe the His yoke is so lite... They think they have to take the weight.. The more weight they take the more justified they feel, It is the Way that seems right to them. But it is the way that leads to death..
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Let me Jump in here if I may, and add to the conversation.
(1) Salvation cannot be earned by giving money, and keep doing what we want to do, and not obeying The Scriptures, and not following the Apostle's doctrine..Acts 2 verse 42/ 1Timothy 4 verse 16.

(2) In Other words all our "Good Works" we do will not gain any points scorded with The Lord.

Yet, there are many on this site who beleive every wind and doctrine taught in various denoninations, argiung against others with things they do nor agree, even if it is The Truth.

(3) We all need to study everyday the Scriptures and what the original apostle taught, whom Jesus himself taught.
 
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Lawlessness to trying to establish your own righteousness by what "you do". Lawlessness is relying on what you do instead of Christ's finished work.
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wrong.

Lawlessness is doing things the way you want, regardless if it violates God's law or not.

Lawlessness is violating God's law.
Even a kid can understand.
 
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God knew before He created everything there will be different languages people will use. It seems disciplemike you are putting power in the "correct" name used for the Son of God while He walked on the Earth.

The Power is in the Son of God, not in His name. If the Power was in His name only then God would have made sure everybody in every different language would have the only correct name for the Son of God.

The power is not in the name, the power is in the person.

It seems that you WORSHIP the name more than you Worship the person disciplemike.
 
Grace777x70

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disciplemike said:
wrong.

Lawlessness is doing things the way you want, regardless if it violates God's law or not.

Lawlessness is violating God's law.
Even a kid can understand.
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Trying to fulfill the Law is self-righteousness now that Christ has come and has made true Christians dead to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

Law-keepers are the epitome of eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

They have the appearance of the good side of the tree which is lawlessness too because it is trusting in what "they do" instead of our Lord Jesus Christ and what He has already done for us. The other side of lawlessness is still doing what you want outside of the life of Christ.

This is the reason that the law-keepers religion is anti-Christ in it's beliefs.

True Christians eat from the tree of Life now which is Christ Himself and not from the law which is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Galatians 2:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me
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[SUP]21 [/SUP] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
 
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PaulMack said:
God knew before He created everything there will be different languages people will use. It seems disciplemike you are putting power in the "correct" name used for the Son of God while He walked on the Earth.

The Power is in the Son of God, not in His name. If the Power was in His name only then God would have made sure everybody in every different language would have the only correct name for the Son of God.

The power is not in the name, the power is in the person.

It seems that you WORSHIP the name more than you Worship the person disciplemike.
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That's right. Jesus knows who He is in every language, and it's He, the Person, who is important. Unfortunately, thinking God is a legalist goes along with legalism.
 
disciplemike

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again, if Messiah lives in you, you will obey your Father.
is that so difficult to understand?
 
Grace777x70

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disciplemike said:
again, if Messiah lives in you, you will obey your Father.
is that so difficult to understand?
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True believers in Christ do obey our Father.

Here is His commandments in the New Covenant which are based on His Son entirely.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Hebrews 1:1-3 says that God "After" He spoke to the forefathers in many ways and portion has in these last days spoken to us through His Son. We live by Christ now - not in the Old Covenant of the Law.
 
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FreeNChrist

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disciplemike said:
again, if Messiah lives in you, you will obey your Father.
is that so difficult to understand?
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My obedience is to the living Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, who lives in me.
 
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heavenly_bound

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Smooth sailing huh? What then does Jesus mean by carrying our cross daily? And if it's all on Jesus, and we have nothing to do, why did the ones who called Him Lord, who fully believed, and did many deeds in His name, have to depart from Him?
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since you dont seem too see what BenSTW is saying, watch this, it might help you to understand some how
https://youtu.be/eCOa8eFu2vA
 
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Grace777x70 said:
True believers in Christ do obey our Father.

Here is His commandments in the New Covenant which are based on His Son entirely.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Hebrews 1:1-3 says that God "After" He spoke to the forefathers in many ways and portion has in these last days spoken to us through His Son. We live by Christ now - not in the Old Covenant of the Law.
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Great.
But don't forget which commandment that Yeshua said is the most important commandment!
 
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RBA238 said:
Let me Jump in here if I may, and add to the conversation.
(1) Salvation cannot be earned by giving money, and keep doing what we want to do, and not obeying The Scriptures, and not following the Apostle's doctrine..Acts 2 verse 42/ 1Timothy 4 verse 16.
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Can you expand on this and explain what you are saying? because i cannot figure it out..
 
Grace777x70

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disciplemike said:
again, if Messiah lives in you, you will obey your Father.
is that so difficult to understand?
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We must all learn to obey the voice of the Father that is being spoken in our time "now".

Now the Father speaks through His Son and NOT the Law of Moses. The Law is good and perfect but we don't live by it - we live by Christ's life in us now as He has fulfilled all the Law.

We can be sure that Isaac was glad that Abraham listen to the "now" voice of God when God told him to NOT to slay Isaac.

If Abraham was a "Law-keeper" he would have not listened to the "now" word from God and slayed Isaac in the name of "obeying God's commands/statues/law - instruction to us".

Law-keepers are still slaying "Isaacs" in the name of "obeying God" but in reality they are denying the obedience to the faith that is "now" required by our God. Obedience to the faith is believing in Christ finished work of the grace of God for all things that the law of Moses could never give us. Acts 13:39

 
disciplemike

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theological mumbo jumbo.

The Messiah is the author of Torah, not Moses.
Moses made up none of his own commandments.

The commandments belong to God.
 
Grace777x70

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disciplemike said:
Great.
But don't forget which commandment that Yeshua said is the most important commandment!
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And don't forget that that the greatest commandment was the one in the Law which we can not do in our own selves as it should really be done. Jesus has fulfilled that commandment and now we live by His life in us. No one could keep the greatest commandment except for Jesus.

Jesus has loved the Lord His God with all His heart and mind and strength and He has loved His neighbor like Himself. We fulfill that because we are in Him now.
 
Grace777x70

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disciplemike said:
theological mumbo jumbo.

The Messiah is the author of Torah, not Moses.
Moses made up none of his own commandments.

The commandments belong to God.
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Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

And the Law given to Moses had a purpose too.

Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.

The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

True Christians are now dead to the law SO THAT we can be joined to Another - Christ our Lord.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
And don't forget that that the greatest commandment was the one in the Law which we can not do in our own selves as it should really be done. Jesus has fulfilled that commandment and now we live by His life in us. No one could keep the greatest commandment except for Jesus.
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baloney sir.
When he was asked what is the great commandment,
did he say, "don't worry about it, I got this"

or did he say, "just trust in me and don't obey any commandments"


or did he say, "forget about commandments, they are too hard for you"?

No, no, no.
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Matthew 22:36-37 (ESV2011, MBM)
 
disciplemike

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Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:7 (KJV, MBM)
 
disciplemike

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He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2:4-5 (KJV, MBM)
 
Grace777x70

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disciplemike said:
baloney sir.
When he was asked what is the great commandment,
did he say, "don't worry about it, I got this"

or did he say, "just trust in me and don't obey any commandments"


or did he say, "forget about commandments, they are too hard for you"?

No, no, no.
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Matthew 22:36-37 (ESV2011, MBM)
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You keep on denying Christ's finished work by your law-keeping. This is the reason why your religion that you are espousing here is anti-Christ.

All the Law has been fulfilled in Christ. The law was a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself. Christ fulfilled the Law for us as man.

Come to Christ disciplemike or take your religion some place else because no one here is going for fall for this anti-Christ religion.
 
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