SALVATION

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(Mark 7:13)
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Everyone needs to read and Obey what it commands for all of us to do in I Timothy 4 verse 16...Read and Obey What the Original Apostles taught. Jesus himself taught them to teach his church..Also Acts 2 verse 42.
 
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God knew before He created everything there will be different languages people will use. It seems disciplemike you are putting power in the "correct" name used for the Son of God while He walked on the Earth.

The Power is in the Son of God, not in His name. If the Power was in His name only then God would have made sure everybody in every different language would have the only correct name for the Son of God.

The power is not in the name, the power is in the person.

It seems that you WORSHIP the name more than you Worship the person disciplemike.

(John 20:31)
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

(Phil 2:10)
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
 
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again, if Messiah lives in you, you will obey your Father.
is that so difficult to understand?
(John 14:10)
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
 
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theological mumbo jumbo.

The Messiah is the author of Torah, not Moses.
Moses made up none of his own commandments.

The commandments belong to God.

(2Tim 3:16)
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
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I guess I am late in this conversation and haven't read through every post. So as Christians if we follow this verse "'You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.' And, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" wouldn't we also be following the Law automatically?

How do Christians know we aren't suppose to have any other Gods besides the true God? Because He told us in the commandments. How do we know we shouldn't have idols to worship? Again He told us in His commandments. You can see where I am going with this so I don't need to state them all.

As Christians we automatically follow the commandments so in a way they aren't abolished so to speak. I don't believe we are saved by the commandments because this would be works and we aren't saved by works. So unless someone is saying we are saved by the Law then the argument really doesn't matter. Just my opinion.
(Rom 3:28 )
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
 
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Hard to believe, but it is being said by "grace only" people, that we should not obey God's commandments.
I was also under that delusion for a time.
People are beginning to wake up.
God did not "save" you so you can go on sinning.
God is calling people back to Him, to live in a way that is pleasing to Him.
(Rom 6:1)
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

(Rom 6:2)
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
 
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I can agree with this, BUT, does the continuation of sin prevent a Christian to enter heaven? I believe that as a Christian when we focus on God and this in turn helps us to stay away from sin. Not one of us will ever truly not sin in our lives but with the help from the Lord it becomes less and less.
(1John 2:1)
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
 
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Just as a note, some hold the problem in the church is completely those who
believe in any law or morality.

Some have now started to call this anti-christian, and talk about another religion
than Christs.

But in truth it is they who have left the faith, and are on the road to universalism.
As their anger rises, the more extreme words like foolish, lies, slander, malice,
rubbish are used with a real desire to make everyone angry and loose it.

Just stay calm, because Christ is working His purposes out in these people.
They are mainly ex-legalists in the real sense, justifying themselves from childhood
in doing the right thing, then loosing their faith, and now converted to hyper-grace
with a deep vengence to convert all believers over to their new revelation.

They will change how the express themselves and want to appear like us simply
to win people over, when their whole construct is a different mystical religion.
(2Thess 3:2)
And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.
 
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some can only focus on their "free ticket to heaven".

they deny the righteous instructions of an all-knowing God.
(John 6:28 )
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

(John 6:29)
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
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I have to laugh because of this idea of DIY self righteousness.

Part of the gospel is DIY, you have to believe, you have to follow, you have to
obey. You cannot get someone else to believe for you, follow for you, and obey
for you.

But the reason it is biting, because they are saying any response from the believer
is taking the place of Christs work and not just the legitimate recognition of salvation
and Christs work, and walking in the empowering of the Holy Spirit.

Now the reason DIY is used so often because they feel it hurts and hits home.
But actually it just demonstrates the miss-understanding they have of salvation, and
the privilege our Lord and friend has raised us up to walk in, in the Kingdom of Heaven,
as His people who freely exercise His authority. Because we choose, and that is the
whole point, it is not earning salvation, it is literally walking in it.

The only reason this is being missed, is because at its core, they are not walking in it.
It has taken me sometime to discern the spiritual blindness here, but we assume we see
alike, because most real believers do, surprisingly but not really, but they do not.

I have shared about some simple emotional realities of the Kingdom, and it is like I am
talking a different language. They will often get theology and scripture wrong, miss-quote
and miss-construe so much to fit their ideas, but with zero bad conscience.

In their world there is no judgement from God, or even fear of Him.
Except ofcourse for us, who do not have their revelation, and are doomed to burn in hell
for all eternity, while they revel in their wealth and health here on earth, ushering in the
1,000 year reign with Christ. The joke is this gospel has been preached since the 50's
and that generation have now died, so you would have thought the message might have
come home.
(Mark 16:16)
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 
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Did I say Adam?
I think I said Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals.
He knew how many unclean and clean animals to put on the ark, right?

what do you mean remain in the first Adam? is there a Scripture reference for that?
(1Cor 15:22)
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
 
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The first Adam sinned so God sent another, then men began to call on the name of the Lord His death shall bring comfort and peace to his people.
In case you didn't know thats the genealogy from Adam to Noah.....the meaning of the names.


(1Cor 15:45)
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
 
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well, my name is in the Bible...with good references, but it is a Greek name...I'm no:eek:t

but if you just say that it's 'grouchy', I should be good to go, right? :eek:

Now why would anyone say that????
 
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(1Pet 1:9)
receiving the end of your faith–the salvation of [your] souls.
 
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Only those who receive Jesus as their lord and savior shall be saved that's why it's so important to be saved so that we don't go to hell.
 
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(John 3:18)

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
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And they said, believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:31) Neither is there SALVATION in any other; for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)
Sounds way too simple. What's the catch?? ;)
IMO,the law minded folk want to feel like JESUS did It all but I helped a little bit too.