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Exodus 34:5-8



5And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.

6And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

8And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.





 
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Exodus 34:5-8



5And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.

6And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

8And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.






Yet another Trinitarian passage proclaiming a plural God.....Yahweh mentioned THREE times when ONE should have sufficed.

 

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Repent or perish!
Luke 13:3 I tell you, No. But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Jesus and His followers spoke boldly, and had but one purpose, and that was to call the sick and lost to repent, stop sinning, which meant going through a crisis of conviction, followed by godly sorrow, that would result in a heart made pure, and cleansed from all vile sins that would lead to death. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11 explains this process well, from the godly sorrow, to the clearing, to the proving you are cleared and pure.
You can’t deny the strong message and warnings that are hidden in a watered down liberal message coming from the church system, coming from the book of Genesis through the book of Revelation, it’s all about calling the lost and sick out of their sins through repentance and faith proven by deeds.
Not once while I was going to church did anyone including the pastors, warn me to repent or perish, it was always the Jesus loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life, which kept me coming back for more, giving my time, talents and treasure to the system, while I was still defiled and double minded in my heart. Jas 4:8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, sinners; and purify your hearts, double-minded ones.
As I reach out in defense of the gospel according to godliness, I can clearly see the huge difference between the Billy Graham receive Jesus message, against the John the Baptist message, Luk 3:7 Then he said to the crowd that came forth to be baptized by him, O generation of vipers! Who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luk 3:8 Therefore bring forth fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bring forth good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.
Scripture is very clear, on what must be done to inherit eternal life, and just receive, believe and trust won’t do it!
The safe message in the pulpits and ministries today, is Jesus loves you in your sins, has a great plan for you, just accept, believe, confess and trust in the provision He made through His death, no questions asked, all is done, try not to sin, but in reality you won’t be able too, since you were born a sinner, or inherited the nature from Adam.
Here is a challenging scenario, say you went into a biker bar on a Saturday evening, where there were many large, drunk bikers, having a good time, and you entered the bar, and yelled out to them, Jesus loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life! Now you may get a few mad at you for disrupting their revelry, or some may even accept what you are saying, and gladly receive a gospel, or a tract with the sinners prayer on it, then maybe even some will listen to your saved in sin message, and feel comfortable with you, but whatever happens, in the end, you may just be asked to leave and don't come back!
Now scenario number two, you go into the same bar, and now yell out to them to repent or perish! Stop sinning against God, seek His mercy, and hope he relents,Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return to Jehovah, and He will have mercy on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
I believe if you get out of that bar in one piece, or uninjured, then you did well, but either way, this is the hard sayings of Jesus, that most will ignore,, especially those in the church, they will sugar coat it, make it acceptable, and in no way offend anyone,, especially a bar filled with bikers and drunks!
But this is the true gospel, that has been lost in translation, sugar coated to fit into the liberal, wanton society we live in, where God loves you In your sins and disobedience, winks at sin, because He loves the sinner but hates the sin, and will never condemn or forsake a backslidden vile sinner who professes Christ, and attends church every weekend. Isaiah had something to say about that:
Isa 1:16 Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow
I feel the sting and loneliness of preaching this message today, not many will accept it, the truth is long gone, and turned into a suggestion and not a command,, man has tainted the word of God making it of no effect, denying its power, and making a mockery of why Jesus had to die on the cross, making Him a replacement for their sins and bad behavior, because they have little courage to seek the truth, that is unpopular and long forgotten!
They have exchanged the truth for a lie! Romans 1-25. I believe whenever God gives us the opportunity to share truth, we should never sugar coat the message in any way, I see this being done everywhere I go, as they say the love of God will lead them to salvation, but how will they know if they don't hear?
It’s easier and safer to say receive and trust, than repent or perish I am afraid, but those who stand boldly will be hated for this message, Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. and may not lose their head as John the Baptist did, but will surely not be the life of the party, popular and well-liked by those in the system today, far from it, they will be mocked, called rude names, condemned as a demon, called unloving and judgmental, and as legalistic as the Pharisees. But all’s we are doing is following the commands of Jesus, calling sinners to repent, seek His mercy, because our obedience has been fulfilled, 2Co 10:6 and having readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled!
Tommy
 

loveme1

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That is it yes.. if i threw the tv out..... needed that one last week
 
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Yet another Trinitarian passage proclaiming a plural God.....Yahweh mentioned THREE times when ONE should have sufficed.

Jeremiah 7:3-4

3 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.

4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these.

By your understanding this is denouncing the trinity. See how it's used three times.....
 
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What do you have to do to be saved?
I clicked my heels 3 times while saying out loud, "There's no place like home, there's no place like home". It was instantaneous. In fact people who'd known me before exclaimed how much I had changed. My wife even said "I like the good Raoul much better than the bad Raoul"..
 
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Jeremiah 7:3-4

3 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place.

4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, The temple of the Lord, are these.

By your understanding this is denouncing the trinity. See how it's used three times.....

Had you bothered to read context (perish the thought!); It simply is yet another example of the Trinity, as Jer 7.10 declares the THREE Yahweh to be ONE Yahweh.

Study up...
 
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Had you bothered to read context (perish the thought!); It simply is yet another example of the Trinity, as Jer 7.10 declares the THREE Yahweh to be ONE Yahweh.

Study up...
Wow! You're something else, lol. Just don't kill me and doom me to hell because I don't believe as you do. Jesus said God is Spirit. I'm flabbergasted.
 
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Had you bothered to read context (perish the thought!); It simply is yet another example of the Trinity, as Jer 7.10 declares the THREE Yahweh to be ONE Yahweh.

Study up...
And trust me I've read that too. Nothing about what you try to make it to be. So when you study, stop being so stiff necked.
 
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What do you have to do to be saved?
Trust in God.

trust God when you are broken, repentant, contrite, sorrowful. Trust God when you know you are a sinner in need of a Savior. Trust God when He washes you clean. Trust God when He gives you His Holy Spirit. trust God when He chastens you and teaches you. Trust God when you stumble. trust God when you are happy. Trust God to the end of your days.
 

zone

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What do you have to do to be saved?

Romans 3:9
What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.


Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


Acts 2
6Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

The Fellowship of the Believers
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.


1 Corinthians 15
3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.


Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.


John 5:24
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
 
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Wow! You're something else, lol. Just don't kill me and doom me to hell because I don't believe as you do. Jesus said God is Spirit. I'm flabbergasted.
And...?

How does this supposedly thwart the Trinity?

Don't you know that the Trinity already represents ALL scripture...?

Come on....

 
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And...?

How does this supposedly thwart the Trinity?

Don't you know that the Trinity already represents ALL scripture...?

Come on....

It represents CONFUSION. This is part of the problem.
 
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It represents CONFUSION. This is part of the problem.

The comical value that you bring when you attempt to thwart the Trinity is absolutely priceless.

You don't even know what the Trinity is to begin with!
 
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I find it sad that you both would like to debate about the Trinity on a thread that asks about SALVATION.
 
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I find it sad that you both would like to debate about the Trinity on a thread that asks about SALVATION.
I'm not debating a trinity, only stating the absurdity that I have to BELIEVE in the trinity to be saved. Nonesense!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm not debating a trinity, only stating the absurdity that I have to BELIEVE in the trinity to be saved. Nonesense!
mind if I ask who you think Christ was?
 
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The comical value that you bring when you attempt to thwart the Trinity is absolutely priceless.

You don't even know what the Trinity is to begin with!

You are correct I know nothing about a trinity. But I DO KNOW that you do not understand it as well. Salvation has nothing to do with believing this.

Genesis 33:1-10

33 And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, and with him four hundred men. And he divided the children unto Leah, and unto Rachel, and unto the two handmaids.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he put the handmaids and their children foremost, and Leah and her children after, and Rachel and Joseph hindermost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he passed over before them, and bowed himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
[SUP]4[/SUP]And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the handmaidens came near, they and their children, and they bowed themselves.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And Leah also with her children came near, and bowed themselves: and after came Joseph near and Rachel, and they bowed themselves.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.

Is Esau part of the trinity too?