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loveme1

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eternally-gratefull said:
Amen. That is why God holds US accountable to how WE interpret scripture. Just because some misinterpret scripture to their own destruction does not mean we should turn away from scripture and start listening to men.



More truthfull would be the fact we need to allow God to change us for his purpose. We cvan not do this on our own, we need God to do it for us.


They were different in many ways. Some believed you should not eat meat. Some believed in only one sabaath. Yet God tells us through paul we should not judge others based on these non essential things.
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The Sabbath day is a Commandment and the Messiah taught contrary to what you have written.

If the Messiah taught us they are essential then let nothing else hinder that for you.
 
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I have told u many times,I will tell u it again.
Orthodox Church lives in unity of Holy Spirit almost a 1000years after spliting of the Church at 1054year.For a 1000years from Orthodox Church didn't came any heresy which will lead into another spliting or forming of some other Church.There were trys(which is normal),but those were so minor incidents,with so small numbers of monks that they do not mean anything.
Now,if we look on the West side of world,what will we find there?Old heresy and heretics who rised again,and every day u have new.Preachers rising as mashrooms after rain,and teach their own teachings.They r all different and all true.What "truth" they gives?How they can have different answers on the same questions and they all be true!?!How someone can say I have asked God and He said me this or that,we will do this or that totally different from which we do until now!?!
True Faith is Holy and that is impossible to reform or correct.How can anyone denie early Christians and their early Church!?Were they fools,uneducated and poor minds??That is nonsense!Un acceptable nonsense!
As i said,only what i can see here r new Arians,Nestorians,Monofisites,Iconoclasm...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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loveme1 said:
The Sabbath day is a Commandment and the Messiah taught contrary to what you have written.

If the Messiah taught us they are essential then let nothing else hinder that for you.
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I will let scripture speak for itself.

Rom 14
14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose[b] and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.[c]

Colossians 2:16
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbath,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Geometar said:
I have told u many times,I will tell u it again.
Orthodox Church lives in unity of Holy Spirit almost a 1000years after spliting of the Church at 1054year.For a 1000years from Orthodox Church didn't came any heresy which will lead into another spliting or forming of some other Church.There were trys(which is normal),but those were so minor incidents,with so small numbers of monks that they do not mean anything.
Now,if we look on the West side of world,what will we find there?Old heresy and heretics who rised again,and every day u have new.Preachers rising as mashrooms after rain,and teach their own teachings.They r all different and all true.What "truth" they gives?How they can have different answers on the same questions and they all be true!?!How someone can say I have asked God and He said me this or that,we will do this or that totally different from which we do until now!?!
True Faith is Holy and that is impossible to reform or correct.How can anyone denie early Christians and their early Church!?Were they fools,uneducated and poor minds??That is nonsense!Un acceptable nonsense!
As i said,only what i can see here r new Arians,Nestorians,Monofisites,Iconoclasm...
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The problem is. the orthodox church brought all the pegan ritual and idiology, did not get rid of the sacramental means of salvation. and still is trying to earn their way to heaven, instead of trusting God through Christ. who alone can save them. they are still following men and not God.
 
Geometar

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eternally-gratefull said:
The problem is. the orthodox church brought all the pegan ritual and idiology, did not get rid of the sacramental means of salvation. and still is trying to earn their way to heaven, instead of trusting God through Christ. who alone can save them. they are still following men and not God.
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Then who will save us if it isn't Jesus Christ?What do u think that Orthodox think?
 
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kenisyes

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Yes... Gods tradition... See post #37...
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So that just makes me reword my question. How do we know which traditions are God's? More specifically to the point of this specific thread, how do the people who claim the traditions of Geometar's church are not God's traditions, know that to be correct?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Then who will save us if it isn't Jesus Christ?What do u think that Orthodox think?
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I KNOW the Orthodox think they are saved by their sacraments. They claim it is by Christ. but only if they do the sacraments.. ie. they believe in a gospel of works. Just like the catholics do. There is no difference in the gospel between orthodox and catholic. they have the same gospel.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kenisyes said:
So that just makes me reword my question. How do we know which traditions are God's? More specifically to the point of this specific thread, how do the people who claim the traditions of Geometar's church are not God's traditions, know that to be correct?
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Gods word. and proper interpretation of it.

if a tradition is outside of Gods word. Then I think we can easily conclude it is not of God but is man made.

either way, it should not be tradition we are concerned with, it should be the gospel. tradition and ritual will not save you. the gospel will
 
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Rock022

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eternally-gratefull said:
I KNOW the Orthodox think they are saved by their sacraments. They claim it is by Christ. but only if they do the sacraments.. ie. they believe in a gospel of works. Just like the catholics do. There is no difference in the gospel between orthodox and catholic. they have the same gospel.
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All Christians have the same gospel.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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All Christians have the same gospel.
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oh we do? how can you say this? I have heard MANY gospel on here. the roman catholic church does not have the same gospel I have. not even close. And even they will admit this. they would say theirs is more complete. but still different. So how can we have the same gospel?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
oh we do? how can you say this? I have heard MANY gospel on here. the roman catholic church does not have the same gospel I have. not even close. And even they will admit this. they would say theirs is more complete. but still different. So how can we have the same gospel?
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What are you talking about? There is only one Gospel, was yours re-written at a later time? Are you mormon? I do not know what you are talking about. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Are there any other Gospels?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Gods word. and proper interpretation of it.

if a tradition is outside of Gods word. Then I think we can easily conclude it is not of God but is man made.

either way, it should not be tradition we are concerned with, it should be the gospel. tradition and ritual will not save you. the gospel will
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you missed the posts that led up to this. We are using the word "tradition" two different ways. in this discussion, the "gospel" is a tradition, but it is a "tradition of God". We are trying to redefine the problem, so we can get to it better.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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kenisyes said:
you missed the posts that led up to this. We are using the word "tradition" two different ways. in this discussion, the "gospel" is a tradition, but it is a "tradition of God". We are trying to redefine the problem, so we can get to it better.
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How can the gospel be a tradition? this makes no sense.. There is but one gospel. According to paul. any change in it would make it a different gospel. thus no gospel at all.
 
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Rock022

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kenisyes said:
you missed the posts that led up to this. We are using the word "tradition" two different ways. in this discussion, the "gospel" is a tradition, but it is a "tradition of God". We are trying to redefine the problem, so we can get to it better.
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I see, man you guys can post some very long answers at times. In my opinion to understand the actual gospels you must know the old testament. As is the example of Jesus being the new Adam. This method really opens up scripture then you can discuss traditions. There be more examples I could give but it would take away from the subject.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What are you talking about? There is only one Gospel, was yours re-written at a later time? Are you mormon? I do not know what you are talking about. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Are there any other Gospels?
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yes there is only one gospel. And we have different gospels. So which one is right?

Your the one who claimed all christians have the same gospel. so I questioned you on it. and now your getting defensive?? Why?

Was mine rewritten? No, it comes from the word of God.. Matt. mark. luke. and john? where did this come from? the Gospel is the good news of Jesus Christ, it is the MEANS into which salvation and eternal life is attained.

so can you tell us how one receives eternal life? you know. the gift of God, which makes one born again and secures their adoption as sons of God and their entrance to heaven?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Rock022 said:
I see, man you guys can post some very long answers at times. In my opinion to understand the actual gospels you must know the old testament. As is the example of Jesus being the new Adam. This method really opens up scripture then you can discuss traditions. There be more examples I could give but it would take away from the subject.
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I would agree this would help.

so in adam all die. can you tell me how we fell under adam? did we do something to get to this state?

And when do we no longer fall under this state of death under adam?
 
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Rock022

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A catholic believe:

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404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man.”By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” — a state and not an act.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Rock022 said:
A catholic believe:

CCC

404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man.”By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” — a state and not an act.
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ok then. you could say we are BORN a child of adam then would you not? that it was not because of anything we did. but because of our parents in which we are born in adam. And it is because of one act of our human father Adam

Then would not being in Christ be the same way. Not an act of ourself. but one act of adoption by God into his family (new birth) by or through the one act of his son Christ?
 
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