SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS FEELS GOOD!

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DesiredHaven

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He most certainly is and He left an example for us to follow...

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

So if we do things differently than He did, are we following Him?
Paul even said follow him as he followed Christ, and he was made all things unto all men, without the law, under the law and to the Jew.
 
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Mitspa

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respectfully, i think we need to be careful about casting 'they's rather than 'we's.

i mean, how many of us are feeling pretty good about ourselves
at this moment in comparison to others?

:(

Not sure of your point...we are all called to cast away our own righteousness as dung...the "they" is for those who are yet to obey the truth... I do take the position that I have, and do see that I also should continue to guard myself from taking pride in my religious efforts. :)
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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So if we do things differently than He did, are we following Him?
Healed anyone lately? Resurrected the dead? Give the blind site, the lame to walk, the mute to speak?

That's what Jesus did. If we don't do those things, are we therefore not following Him?

Here's a clue: The Greek akolouqeo (akoloutheo), translated "follow," is not a command to "do" but a command to "learn." Be His disciple (maqeteuo -- matheteuo) which is a learner, a pupil, who follows the precepts of the rabbi who has chosen them. We can never be perfect as Christ, and the useless effort to claim perfection is to practice heresy. We can be "Christlike" in that we reflect His love, both to Him and to others. But trying to be sinless as He was? We are not Him.
 
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I hope you know the difference between knowing the law and its purpose and trying to justify yourself by it? That's what Paul is speaking to....He was the greatest of law-keepers but said all that was dung compared to being justified by faith in Christ.

But it does feel good to be self-righteous..don't it?
It feels good to love my neighbor as I would want to be, and it feels right a peaceful to love God deep in my heart. When I follow human instruction for righteousness it doesn't feel good. When I adhere to God's instructions it isn't my righteousness, but His only. I live by all His word not just part of it as you seem to instruct yourself and others. If it doesn't feel good to you, I feel very sorry for you. You're missing the truth for sure when you reject these commandments.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:5-6
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Your choice.

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)
 
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psychomom

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#45
Not sure of your point...we are all called to cast away our own righteousness as dung...the "they" is for those who are yet to obey the truth... I do take the position that I have, and do see that I also should continue to guard myself from taking pride in my religious efforts. :)
apologies again!

guess it was only i....i'm sensitive to the issue because i've struggled with it. :eek:
 

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Throwing this out there for everyone. Is self righteousness a form of blasphemy?
hmm... im not sure it could easily be. btw who ever gave me that rep comment ty very much:]
 
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Mitspa

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Ro 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

It feels so good, to think we are above others and to say " hey look at me" I do this and I do that...but its all flesh boasting in the flesh, and its an abomination to God.
 

Blain

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apologies again!

guess it was only i....i'm sensitive to the issue because i've struggled with it. :eek:
You? Really? I cant see it, no way uh uh I dont believe it. me personally I can easily see the good in everyone I can see the beauty and the jewel god sees in them but I cant ever see myself like that which im pretty sure is how a lot of us are
 
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Mitspa

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It feels good to love my neighbor as I would want to be, and it feels right a peaceful to love God deep in my heart. When I follow human instruction for righteousness it doesn't feel good. When I adhere to God's instructions it isn't my righteousness, but His only. I live by all His word not just part of it as you seem to instruct yourself and others. If it doesn't feel good to you, I feel very sorry for you. You're missing the truth for sure when you reject these commandments.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:5-6
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Your choice.

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)
Does this feeling good make you think you are good or God is good? Because if your doing it by the Spirit of God, in you? You will thank God for His Spirit and His love that allows you to love others. If you are loving others by your flesh, and then thinking you are good, then your not in the truth of what it means to walk in the Spirit....Your love will fail if others fail to meet your requirments, but Gods love (agape) does not fail, when others fail us.
 

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You? Really? I cant see it, no way uh uh I dont believe it. me personally I can easily see the good in everyone I can see the beauty and the jewel god sees in them but I cant ever see myself like that which im pretty sure is how a lot of us are
Yeah. The Lord Jesus is awesome.

And I'm just dumb old me...
 
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Saved2004

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Ephesians 2:8-9 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1. Self righteousness is boasting in your own works.
2. God said we are righteous, holy and blameless...not because of us but the one in us!
 
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Grandpa

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It feels good to love my neighbor as I would want to be, and it feels right a peaceful to love God deep in my heart. When I follow human instruction for righteousness it doesn't feel good. When I adhere to God's instructions it isn't my righteousness, but His only. I live by all His word not just part of it as you seem to instruct yourself and others. If it doesn't feel good to you, I feel very sorry for you. You're missing the truth for sure when you reject these commandments.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:5-6
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Your choice.

"Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)
Do you really think that you can be commanded to Love and then be able to do it?

Even the vilest, most selfish, abomination to God person who won't appreciate it in the slightest but will turn and rend you?

I'm not able to. I have to be caused to. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Blain

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Do you really think that you can be commanded to Love and then be able to do it?

Even the vilest, most selfish, abomination to God person who won't appreciate it in the slightest but will turn and rend you?

I'm not able to. I have to be caused to. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Well I always say to God if I dont now I know I will because I know if anyone can make me like that its him. So if I am lacking i dont worry because one day....
 
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Does this feeling good make you think you are good or God is good? Because if your doing it by the Spirit of God, in you? You will thank God for His Spirit and His love that allows you to love others. If you are loving others by your flesh, and then thinking you are good, then your not in the truth of what it means to walk in the Spirit....Your love will fail if others fail to meet your requirments, but Gods love (agape) does not fail, when others fail us.
It is too bad that you do not know the difference between the law of sin and death and the law that God gave to Moses. The law of sin and death is the transgression of the law, for the law entered because of transgression. I will have to say that when you reckon with this fact, you will then be able to truly claim salvation. Until you believe what Moses wrote, you will not see the truth in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

John 5:44-47
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
 
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Do you really think that you can be commanded to Love and then be able to do it?

Even the vilest, most selfish, abomination to God person who won't appreciate it in the slightest but will turn and rend you?

I'm not able to. I have to be caused to. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Love is not a dictation without heartfelt motivation. That motivation comes through faith in Him. The definitions of love are found in the law God gave to Moses. It is our devotion to Him because He loved us first that causes us to want to follow His instructions through faith.

Romans 3:27-31
27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
30 since God is one--who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
 
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Faith Alone !, Faith plus WORKS !, Faith plus Obedience !, Grace Alone !, Grace plus Works !, Grace plus Obedience ! Grace produces Faith produces works produces obedience !

The Seven Branches of Christendom, The Seven Churches in Revelation.

Today we have close to 50,000 sects of Christianity in the world and we wonder why there is confusion?

There are about 37 Trillion cells in the Human Body, so we are not completed separated yet.

May God have mercy on ALL our souls through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Mitspa

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It is too bad that you do not know the difference between the law of sin and death and the law that God gave to Moses. The law of sin and death is the transgression of the law, for the law entered because of transgression. I will have to say that when you reckon with this fact, you will then be able to truly claim salvation. Until you believe what Moses wrote, you will not see the truth in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

John 5:44-47
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Friend the law of Moses and the Words of Christ are not the same...just as the law and the gospel are not the same...the law stands as a witness to the gospel.

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
 

Grandpa

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It is too bad that you do not know the difference between the law of sin and death and the law that God gave to Moses. The law of sin and death is the transgression of the law, for the law entered because of transgression. I will have to say that when you reckon with this fact, you will then be able to truly claim salvation. Until you believe what Moses wrote, you will not see the truth in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

John 5:44-47
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
By your belief you are not able to put down your dung. You believe you are commanded by God to keep carrying it yourself.

The law of sin and death is the law given to Moses. It points out sin and therefore death.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Are you tired of trying to perfect yourself by your work at the law? No?

Matthew 5:48 Be ye perfect like your Father in Heaven is Perfect.

Maybe its because you're not trying hard enough. You really should be tired by now....
 
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Mitspa

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It is too bad that you do not know the difference between the law of sin and death and the law that God gave to Moses. The law of sin and death is the transgression of the law, for the law entered because of transgression.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,