SHOULD BELIEVERS PRAY FOR THE SALVATION OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS?

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DO OUR PRAYERS TO GOD MAKE A POSITIVE OUTCOME MORE LIKELY?

  • YES, OUR PRAYERS MAKE A DIFFERENCE, AND INCREASE THE CHANCES OF A POSITIVE OUTCOME.

    Votes: 18 94.7%
  • NO, OUR PRAYERS DO NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE, AND DO NOT INCREASE THE CHANCE OF A POSITIVE OUTCOME

    Votes: 1 5.3%

  • Total voters
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shrume

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Perhaps those born with a mental handicap as well would be an exception.
True.. Good point.

Oh, the thief on the cross hanging to the right of Jesus might be another.
The thief had repented.

Jesus said something about this day he would be with Him in paradise. Of course Jesus had not yet died for his sins at that moment but I guess that was just a technicality.
 

tourist

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There is nothing in the Bible that says that praying for someone makes them accept salvation by the shed blood of Jesus.


That's right. (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9).


You are not taking into account a person's free will. Praying for someone does not override that person's free will. Praying for someone does not force them to be saved. Salvation is an individual thing *. Each person must hear and believe the gospel, and when he does, he is sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13; Rom 10:9-10).

( * The only exception I am aware of is in the case of children. Children are sanctified by their believing parents (1 Cor 7:14) )
I do believe that there is such a thing as free will but how free is it really if all of the options are lousy and the choice options appear to be unavailable.

If it was only by God's desire that He would not want anyone to perish than there would obviously be many that would fall short. The thing is it is stated clearly in the bible that it is also His will that none should perish.

I would certainly not be foolish enough to teach someone that it does not matter what they do in this life as they are automatically going to heaven. No one gets to the Father except by knowing and loving Jesus. This is stated quite clearly also. I also believe that every truth in the bible will be revealed and fulfilled.

Salvation of one's soul comes at a great cost. It is my desire that everyone who was ever born receives the salvation that comes from Jesus dying on the cross for their sins. However, it is not my will for this to happen because I don't have a will, that authority belongs to God alone and I trust in Him explicitly to execute it with His great love, compassion and mercy.
 

shrume

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I do believe that there is such a thing as free will but how free is it really if all of the options are lousy and the choice options appear to be unavailable.
All the options are not lousy. Choosing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is not lousy. :)

If it was only by God's desire that He would not want anyone to perish than there would obviously be many that would fall short. The thing is it is stated clearly in the bible that it is also His will that none should perish.
That's right. But I believe the Bible is very clear that many will perish.

I would certainly not be foolish enough to teach someone that it does not matter what they do in this life as they are automatically going to heaven. No one gets to the Father except by knowing and loving Jesus. This is stated quite clearly also. I also believe that every truth in the bible will be revealed and fulfilled.
Agreed.

Salvation of one's soul comes at a great cost. It is my desire that everyone who was ever born receives the salvation that comes from Jesus dying on the cross for their sins.
That's a very noble desire. But it will not happen. Many people unfortunately reject the gospel.

However, it is not my will for this to happen because I don't have a will
Of course you have a will. Everyone does.

that authority belongs to God alone and I trust in Him explicitly to execute it with His great love, compassion and mercy.
God will not overstep a person's free will decision to reject Jesus Christ.
 

tourist

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All the options are not lousy. Choosing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is not lousy. :)


That's right. But I believe the Bible is very clear that many will perish.


Agreed.


That's a very noble desire. But it will not happen. Many people unfortunately reject the gospel.


Of course you have a will. Everyone does.


God will not overstep a person's free will decision to reject Jesus Christ.
What I meant by not having a 'will' regarding praying for salvation for others is that my will would not have any effect whatsoever because I'm not God. I don't have any authority to say this is going to happen or that is going to happen and then it does indeed happen. I do have desire though and my desire is that no one spends eternity in hell.

Yes, choosing to believe in Jesus is not a lousy option but if you were brought up in an environment where there was only hate and never any love you might not clearly see this option and neglect it.

I read a story once about a man who confessed a great love of God who was talking to a man who lived his life in a constant state of malnutrition. The starving man asked the other man why is it that he has all of the choice food that he wants while he has to beg for scraps. The man said that the reason that he has enough to eat is because God loves him. The other man, with a sad look on his face asked, "Doesn't God love me too?" It is a hard thing for some to choose wisely while enduring abject pain, suffering and poverty.

Some people can be very naïve in their spiritual approach to the suffering of others. Or grossly insensitive.
 

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What's the next with the our answered and unanswered prayers? The prayers of God's Children collectively fill heavenly bowls with sweet aroma, much like the burnt offering did in the day of old KJVRevelation5:8 8." And when he had taken the book, the four beast and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamp, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints." The prayers of all saints present before the throne upon the golden altar which was before the throne ... KJVRevelation8;3-4 3."And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4. And the smoke of the incense, which come with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand."