Should we follow the teachings of the Old Testament?
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Total rubbish,Christianity and Judaism are intertwined and always will be! JESUS WAS A JEW TAUGHT BY JEWS WHO FOLLOWED JUDAISM,you,on the other hand are a Jew hater,you can't accept Jesus the man was a Jew from a jewish family with jewish friends and followers,jewish teachers,jewish siblings,jewish parents,you are blind and deaf
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I'm taking about the conversation I was having with another about Matthew 23:1-3. Which is over now.
I think that saying all of scripture is profitable for those things should not be taken to mean that every portion of scripture is profitable for all of those things. Some is doctrinal, some is historical, some is poetry etc.
I think that saying all of scripture is profitable for those things should not be taken to mean that every portion of scripture is profitable for all of those things. Some is doctrinal, some is historical, some is poetry etc.
E
reading this thread, how many of you believe that the Bible is a weapon to be used against anyone who disagrees with you?
in answer to the op:
no, you don't have to read the whole or even a part of the Bible in order to be saved
don't confuse salvation with something you do
You believe God sent His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to die on your behalf. And He rose again from the grave. God is holy as we learn in the OT and really throught the entire 66 books of the Bible and because He is holy, sin cannot come before Him.
So, in order to be able to be in fellowship with His creation once again, His Son died in our place. When we accept Jesus as our Savior, we are accepting God's salvation and that makes us acceptable to God so that we become His children
This, is called the grace of God...grace means unmerited favor...that is, we do not and we cannot earn what God freely give
Now the Bible teaches us about our walk once we are saved. God places His Spirit within us so that we will desire to change and to follow Christ
Nothing we do can ever be more or better than what God has already done for us. We should not continue to live our old lifestyle...but change is a process called santification.
in answer to the op:
no, you don't have to read the whole or even a part of the Bible in order to be saved
don't confuse salvation with something you do
You believe God sent His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to die on your behalf. And He rose again from the grave. God is holy as we learn in the OT and really throught the entire 66 books of the Bible and because He is holy, sin cannot come before Him.
So, in order to be able to be in fellowship with His creation once again, His Son died in our place. When we accept Jesus as our Savior, we are accepting God's salvation and that makes us acceptable to God so that we become His children
This, is called the grace of God...grace means unmerited favor...that is, we do not and we cannot earn what God freely give
Now the Bible teaches us about our walk once we are saved. God places His Spirit within us so that we will desire to change and to follow Christ
Nothing we do can ever be more or better than what God has already done for us. We should not continue to live our old lifestyle...but change is a process called santification.
E
This is incorrect teaching. A person who has truly accepted Christ, will see that the Old Testament is not a covenant with believers now.
This does not mean we brake laws or commit sin...it means we trust that Christ has fullfilled all the obligations of the law we find in the Old Testament.
Sometimes you may hear the arguement that if a person believes in the grace of God, they believe they can continue to sin.
That is not what grace is and that is not what those who understand that Christ met all of God's holiness because He never sinned think or believe
This does not mean we brake laws or commit sin...it means we trust that Christ has fullfilled all the obligations of the law we find in the Old Testament.
Sometimes you may hear the arguement that if a person believes in the grace of God, they believe they can continue to sin.
That is not what grace is and that is not what those who understand that Christ met all of God's holiness because He never sinned think or believe
The answer is no! These teachings are biased by their cultural background which make them obsolete. In fact, the OT should not be available to anybody except historiens and for scientific studies. Literal readings of the OT with the affirmation that this come directly from God has caused so many wars, so many deaths, so many injustices... Aren't our modern laws much better than OT laws?
You've twisted my words there friend,all I'm saying is the OT must be relevant to Christians because Jesus figures so prominently in it along side god the father and the Holy Spirit,that must mean The law is also very relevant because it's the word of God the father,the son and the Holy Spirit,and the fact that Jesus the man was a Jew who was taught by Jews who followed Judaism and the law,and the same applies to the disciples who spread the word after Jesus has ascended to heaven,the law has obviously helped form early,original Christian thinking so I cannot see that it's irrelevant,it should still be taught and obeyed in my opinion.
Don't confuse the OT with the old covenant. Of course, the OT is extremely relevant to Christians in terms of instruction and edification, but that's as far as it goes. The old covenant no longer exists so why should we obey it. It was only for the Israelites anyways. Gentiles were never under it unless they became circumcised and joined the nation.
K
It is not up to us to decide, it is up to God. And God said we are only to listen to His Son, Jesus has been given ALL authority- that leaves no authority for anyone else, including Moses. We can learn great lessons from the Old Testament, but we are not under any of its laws unless Christ reinstated them.
R
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
We are no longer under the law! Please read Romans 3:20-31 the law was fulfilled when Jesus died was buried and resurrected and poured out his perfect blood on the mercy seat in the tabernacle in Heaven! We cannot fulfill the law because we are sinners. The old testament teachings (the law) are there for our learning:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Not me or anybody else can fulfill that law except for the Lord Jesus Christ which he did to obtain eternal redemption for me and you. If you follow the teachings of the Old Testament you must follow the law completely. Yes that means animal sacrifices you must follow the Sabbath and all of the other parts of the law including death for breaking the law. This does not give us license to sin because we are not under the law!!! We are told that one of the greatest commandments is to love thy neighbor, this is because if you have that godly love for one another you will not commit adultery, murder, steal, etc. We are saved by faith in the The Gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I can go into more detail with scripture backing it up if you wish just send me a message. To truly understand the bible you must realize that Law and Grace have to be separated the Law was given to the Jews not to the gentiles. By simply separating these two dispensations all of the so called contradictions of the bible are no longer contradictions.
We are no longer under the law! Please read Romans 3:20-31 the law was fulfilled when Jesus died was buried and resurrected and poured out his perfect blood on the mercy seat in the tabernacle in Heaven! We cannot fulfill the law because we are sinners. The old testament teachings (the law) are there for our learning:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Not me or anybody else can fulfill that law except for the Lord Jesus Christ which he did to obtain eternal redemption for me and you. If you follow the teachings of the Old Testament you must follow the law completely. Yes that means animal sacrifices you must follow the Sabbath and all of the other parts of the law including death for breaking the law. This does not give us license to sin because we are not under the law!!! We are told that one of the greatest commandments is to love thy neighbor, this is because if you have that godly love for one another you will not commit adultery, murder, steal, etc. We are saved by faith in the The Gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I can go into more detail with scripture backing it up if you wish just send me a message. To truly understand the bible you must realize that Law and Grace have to be separated the Law was given to the Jews not to the gentiles. By simply separating these two dispensations all of the so called contradictions of the bible are no longer contradictions.