Should we hope for salvation if we're saved ?...... yes or no correct version.

JesusRules1 · Mar 8, 2017

If the crown of life is not concerning salvation,but a reward only,why is it called the crown of life,for what reward of life can be added to eternal life.Do we have salvation for eternity,but if we get the reward of the crown of life,we get have eternal life,plus more life,in case we use up our eternal life,before it is eternal.

Jas_1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

The crown of life is given to all who are saved,for all who love Jesus shall receive the crown of life,so if it is a reward it is given to all,and is eternal life.

Desertsrose · Mar 8, 2017

We're saved, we're being saved and we will be saved. It's not a done deal. We're on a salvation journey.

OneFaith · Mar 8, 2017

wsblind said:

"But now He has (talking to saved Christians) reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in His sight, without blemish and free from accusation-- IF you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel." Colossians 1:22,23.

This scripture represents no higharchy, favoritism, or level status- this is a conditional statement for every Christian in order to remain saved.

willybob · Mar 8, 2017

As we are being saved walking in obedience to the Savior from our heart we have the hope of eternal salvation, therefore we have the earnest of the Spirit that cannot lie to see us through if we continue in the faith, and he that endures to the end the SAME shall be saved said Jesus....Its all about man working together with God to bring about an everlasting relationship of love that cannot be achieved by any other means...It takes two to love and form a fellowship....stay on the straight and narrow working out your own salvation with fear and trembling and He will do a good work in you for His own good pleasure...For He is determined that all things work for good for those that love and obey Him.....

Grace777x70 · Mar 8, 2017

OneFaith said:

Our hope is certain in Christ because being in the faith is determined as fulfilled.

There are a lot of times in the original Greek the "if" is actually a statement of it is determined as fulfilled.....

It is called "a condition of the first class"..... Colossians 1:23 is a prime example:

Colossians 1:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

If so be that ye continue in the faith (ei ge epimenete tēi pistei).

Condition of the first class (determined as fulfilled),

Word Pictures in the New Testament. A. T. Robertson Greek Scholar

Sort of like this....you are going to the bank..and I say to you.... "If" you are going to be at the bank ( determined as already fulfilled )...get me $100 bucks.

I'll take a check too...

OneFaith · Mar 8, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Sometimes "IF" means "IF". It is clear in the context of many scriptures that our salvation is conditional. Not everyone who calls Him "Lord" or does things in His name "CHRISTian" will be saved, but only those who do (that means obey- which is a condition) the Will of the Father. It is not enough to be a Christian (the Elect of God) you must be an obedient Christian (the Very Elect of God). For "many are called, but few are chosen." "For if it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" "Each one must work out his salvation with fear and trembling." "Don't get disqualified for the Prize."

Enow · Mar 8, 2017

OneFaith said:

If you seek to be saved by remaining faithful to the end, then you may run the risk of denying Him as having been saved by Him.

We are saved, but seeking to be faithful unto the end is about running that race by looking to our Enabler to help us lay aside every weight & sin to be faithful to the end. Even in keeping the faith in Jesus Christ so as to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House as His abiding disciple to attend the Marriage Supper in truth.

Both salvation and running that race is done by faith in Jesus Christ as Savior & as Good Shepherd.

That is the meaning of being faithful unto the end so as to be received by Him when the Bridegroom comes; it is not for salvation, but for the prize of our upward calling in Christ Jesus.

The consequences for not looking to Him as our Good Shepherd for help to discern good & evil by Him in order to expose the works of darkness by the KJV Bible so you can lean on Him for help to depart from iniquity is not only losing your rewards of crowns, but becoming a castaway that becomes a vessel unto dishonor in His House which means they are still saved, but to be received later on.

Which proves that running that race is not about gaining salvation; but to attend the King's Supper, and to be saved from what is coming on the earth after the pre tribulational rapture event.

Stephen63 · Mar 8, 2017

IMO I conclude that he/she who habitually grabs their favorite scripture on any topic:
1. Lacks knowledge because they refuse to study to show themselves approved. They are purposely ignorant.
2. Purposely ignorant people are fools, because they purposely refuse truth.
3. Purposely ignorant fools are full of sin, because they refuse to study & obey the word. One cannot obey what they don't know & believe.

Is that too hard?

With every opportunity to learn, with the leading of the Holy Spirit, plus having online Bibles & study tools, commentaries, lexicons, etc., what excuse will we have when we stand before God with our ignorance & bias?

FreeNChrist · Mar 8, 2017

Stephen63 said:

IMO I conclude that he/she who habitually grabs their favorite scripture on any topic:
1. Lacks knowledge because they refuse to study to show themselves approved. They are purposely ignorant.
2. Purposely ignorant people are fools, because they purposely refuse truth.
3. Purposely ignorant fools are full of sin, because they refuse to study & obey the word. One cannot obey what they don't know & believe.

Is that too hard?

With every opportunity to learn, with the leading of the Holy Spirit, plus having online Bibles & study tools, commentaries, lexicons, etc., what excuse will we have when we stand before God with our ignorance & bias?

You will know them by their fruit. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 8, 2017

Enow said:

We have faith in people who always do what they say, We deny people who are not worth our faith.

No one who has true faith in God would ever deny him, God will NEVER give them a reason to deny them.

Saying one who has faith in God and can still deny him is a dark stain on Gods character, it is the same as saying God can mess up and lose our faith.

I lose faith in people. because they let me down.. No one has ever lost faith in God. (unless they never had faith in him to begin with) because God will never let you down,

we run races to earn rewards. Not to receive gifts. Salvation is a gift, it can never be a reward.. the person who receives the reward gets the honor and glory not the giver of the reward.. Saying we run the race to earn salvation is taking glory and honor from God. Plus, it can never be earned, no matter how hard and how fast you run, you will never reach the finish line..

eternally-gratefull · Mar 8, 2017

Stephen63 said:

so, um, whats your excuse?

PS. are you going to repent of the sin you commited yesterday of falsely accusing me? or prove you do not practice what you preach?

garee · Mar 8, 2017

Christ's work of faith according to His three day labor of love gives us a living hope that could never disappoint us.

Against human hope. We are saved and kept by a living Hope of faith (Christ's) through the living, abiding word of God.

If he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will work in us to both will and do His good pleasure all the days of our life. For it is Christ who does perform that which he does appoint to us.(redemption ) As we speak if Christ has begun the good work we are receiving the end of it, the salvation of our souls. There is no work that we could add to it.

Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be (Christ the living abiding seed by which all men are born again from above)

1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. (The last day)

eternally-gratefull · Mar 8, 2017

garee said:

Christ's work of faith according to His three day labor of love gives us a living hope that could never disappoint us.

Against human hope. We are saved and kept by a living Hope of faith (Christ's) through the living, abiding word of God.

If he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will work in us to both will and do His good pleasure all the days of our life. For it is Christ who does perform that which he does appoint to us.(redemption ) As we speak if Christ has begun the good work we are receiving the end of it, the salvation of our souls. There is no work that we could add to it.

Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be (Christ the living abiding seed by which all men are born again from above)

1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. (The last day)

Titus 1: 2 In the HOPE of eternal life, which God, Who can not lie, promised before time began..

Another great passage on hope

Titus 3: 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

Desertsrose said:

According to some on here its a done deal even know the truth is staring them in the face.

I dont get it....... is it to do with the doctrin of works ? ........... I mean how bad does one become when ever there is a slight sniff of works mentioned people become angry ?.

i didnt even mention works in this thread all tho now since works has come to the service,,, im beginning to see that actually it is a kind of works to keep your faith..

Because tomorrow i could become a believer of the muslim faith if i wanted too, the Quran.

Because why ? because i have free will being a christian is unconditional i can choose to be one or i can choose to not.

Good News for Gentiles
33So I sent for you immediately, and you were kind enough to come. Now then, we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has instructed you to tell us.” 34Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism,

35but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.…

God welcomes you he doesnt grab you and say come here you little soo and soo.
Now your also welcome to believe or not. its that simple..

So when you a verse that says even the people of the holy bible realize that being born of the first fruits is not salvation but the start if your walk. because they waith patiently to be adopted as sons of god.

How in the world can anyone say they dont need to hope for salvation .........my goodness if faith alone believers believe they dont have to hope for salvation then im sorry im not standing by this belief anymore...........

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

oops when you see a post or a bible verse telling you should hope for salvation then you should..

to say no rebels against God.

To say no means your badly in doctrinated.#

To say no,,,,,, is you stand by faith alone saves......... meaning youve decided you dont need to hope any more

But what is glory without hope

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

FreeNChrist said:

I think its a bit harsh to throw this verse at stephen at least hes open and honest about his beliefs where as some here hide from the truth to protect theres

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

followjesus said:

And amen to that

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

wsblind said:

Crown of life is not salvation. It is a reward. Many believers are not going to have the crown of life.

Salvation is a GIFT and it is IRREVOCABLE. And Post #15 wonderfully explains that salvation must be fitted out.....like the army.

You can remain a private in the army or you can advance, receive the crown of life(royalty), and rule with the King.

It is a reward my friend your on the right track

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

dcontroversal said:

mate dont know why youve become fedup ofr preaching the word. or ist your not a preacher ? BUT A DOER>>>>>>>

i MEAN TO VOTE NO TO THIS TOTALY GOES AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD>>>>>>>>>>>>

JIMBO43 · Mar 8, 2017

blue_ladybug said:

Use your imagination

theres always hope if you lack it

Should we hope for salvation if we're saved ?...... yes or no correct version.

once we're born again do we still hope for salvation..

yes

no im boen again my salvation is allready assured

yes im saved but my salvation hasnt been declared yet.

no im born again my salvation has been declared.

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