Should we hope for salvation if we're saved ?...... yes or no correct version.

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once we're born again do we still hope for salvation..

  • yes

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • no im boen again my salvation is allready assured

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • yes im saved but my salvation hasnt been declared yet.

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • no im born again my salvation has been declared.

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • Total voters
    16

valiant

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Romans 8:24
Future Glory
…23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit,(born again saved )... groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons,(salvation ) the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.…


Can you see the diffrence that being saved is not the same as salvation ? :)

the bolded is very true wouls you say ?
If I am saved, then I 'have salvation'. God has saved me once for all. It is His work from start to finish.

But there is of course in that the fact that, having been saved for the guilt of sin (TiT 3.5) I am in process of being saved from the power and pollution of sin.. Having declared me saved He then goes on to gradually save me from my individual sins ( 1 Cor 1.18).

Thus I both enjoy eternal salvation, and await the final salvation when I will be made like HIM.
 
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mate dont know why youve become fedup ofr preaching the word. or ist your not a preacher ? BUT A DOER>>>>>>>

i MEAN TO VOTE NO TO THIS TOTALY GOES AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD>>>>>>>>>>>>
You can vote no all you want....my post is valid and what I said is true......so................!
 
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willybob

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strength in numbers doesn't work well...I would suppose they all voted for eternal salvation in Noah's day, especially his own brothers and sisters...
 
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strength in numbers doesn't work well...I would suppose they all voted for eternal salvation in Noah's day, especially his own brothers and sisters...
phillipians 3:8-16 "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing."

whenever paul mentions Himself, He says things Like this, He lived in pursuit of Christ, looking foreward in Hope, but labouring, enduring, forgetting things behind and pressing foreward to the hope we are called. pursuing the resurrection. it doesnt seem to me as if He was someone that had the idea He was beyond being Lost. and many times He says " follow my example" or " whatever you have sen in us whether word or deed mind those things"

1 corinthians 4:3-5 "But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."

1 corinthians 9:24-27 "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.25And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

it doesnt seem as if Paul was saying " im already saved, or" im eternally secure" I know He wrote in His letters things that encourage us to understand that Jesus is taking care of things for us, also there is a very clear aspect of Him pressing, striving, fighting for what is good and pleasing to God. resisting himself and pressing toward Jesus. He also gives many warnings that is taken cause us to look at our actions and keep us moving foreward, upward and onward. not letting a failure condemn us eternally in our hearts, and at the same time spurring toward works and labour in the Lords will. Like the ministry of Jesus there is grace, encouragement, labour, repentance and so on. if we rest too much in thinking were saved and can never fall, theres nothing to produce changes in our lives. if we Know of the mercy of God through Christ, and balance that with His instruction rest is found inwardly but action is produced outwardly through belief.




 

OneFaith

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If you seek to be saved by remaining faithful to the end, then you may run the risk of denying Him as having been saved by Him.

We are saved, but seeking to be faithful unto the end is about running that race by looking to our Enabler to help us lay aside every weight & sin to be faithful to the end. Even in keeping the faith in Jesus Christ so as to be received as a vessel unto honor in His House as His abiding disciple to attend the Marriage Supper in truth.

Both salvation and running that race is done by faith in Jesus Christ as Savior & as Good Shepherd.

That is the meaning of being faithful unto the end so as to be received by Him when the Bridegroom comes; it is not for salvation, but for the prize of our upward calling in Christ Jesus.

The consequences for not looking to Him as our Good Shepherd for help to discern good & evil by Him in order to expose the works of darkness by the KJV Bible so you can lean on Him for help to depart from iniquity is not only losing your rewards of crowns, but becoming a castaway that becomes a vessel unto dishonor in His House which means they are still saved, but to be received later on.

Which proves that running that race is not about gaining salvation; but to attend the King's Supper, and to be saved from what is coming on the earth after the pre tribulational rapture event.

Its like this... Being in Noah's ark saves you. But if you jump out of the ark you are no longer saved, even though you were saved. If you jump out, can you jump back in before it's too late? Yes- this is the prodigal son situation. And what did that father say about his son? That he was dead and is now alive.

When we get baptized into Christ we rise to newness of life (spiritually alive). So is it possible to walk around spiritually dead? Yes. This is what Jesus meant when He said "Let the dead bury the dead." He meant let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead. God is the God of the living not of the dead.

When Paul spoke of running the race, he mentioned that even he has to be careful so that he doesn't get disqualified for the prize. The prize is salvation.

In the parable of the servants, the one who hid his masters talents was genuinely the master's servant. But when the master returned unexpectedly to settle accounts, he said to throw this servant out where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It is not enough to get saved, we have to stay saved- that is the difference between the Elect of God and the Very Elect of God.

The Bible says it is hard for the righteous to be saved- therefore not all the righteous will be saved. And where do we get our righteousness? From Christ- no one is self-righteous. So when we are baptized into Christ we are saved, we then have to run the race trying not to get disqualified and lose the prize- which is God's grace.
 
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If I am saved, then I 'have salvation'. God has saved me once for all. It is His work from start to finish.

But there is of course in that the fact that, having been saved for the guilt of sin (TiT 3.5) I am in process of being saved from the power and pollution of sin.. Having declared me saved He then goes on to gradually save me from my individual sins ( 1 Cor 1.18).

Thus I both enjoy eternal salvation, and await the final salvation when I will be made like HIM.
If you are saved ?. then you have salvation ?.

So you dont know if your saved and you know if you are you have salvation. ? so youve recieved salvation befor the the day of redemption is basically what your saying. there is only one day of salvation not two.
 
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You can vote no all you want....my post is valid and what I said is true......so................!
So what is your answer for voting no ?

So what is not really an answer at all mate... When God says to you one day you never hoped for salvation and persuaded others theres no need to hope for salvation if your saved ,,,,,,,,,,,,the what will you say......... so what then ?.

I guess hes not going to say that to you is he because youve allready declared your salvation is allready assured putting you in the same leauge as sinless perfection nuts.

Simply because what your saying is your going to stay untouchable for the rest of life and you know its for gone conclusion..

Now what is wrong with this ? ill tell you its means theres no need to hope and pray no more because it is written you are to put on your breastplate of faith and the helmet of hope for salvation.

Effectivly what your saying is theres no need ?

If everyone had this mentality how much hope would be lost which glorifies his love ?
 
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phillipians 3:8-16 "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing."

whenever paul mentions Himself, He says things Like this, He lived in pursuit of Christ, looking foreward in Hope, but labouring, enduring, forgetting things behind and pressing foreward to the hope we are called. pursuing the resurrection. it doesnt seem to me as if He was someone that had the idea He was beyond being Lost. and many times He says " follow my example" or " whatever you have sen in us whether word or deed mind those things"

1 corinthians 4:3-5 "But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God."

1 corinthians 9:24-27 "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.25And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

it doesnt seem as if Paul was saying " im already saved, or" im eternally secure" I know He wrote in His letters things that encourage us to understand that Jesus is taking care of things for us, also there is a very clear aspect of Him pressing, striving, fighting for what is good and pleasing to God. resisting himself and pressing toward Jesus. He also gives many warnings that is taken cause us to look at our actions and keep us moving foreward, upward and onward. not letting a failure condemn us eternally in our hearts, and at the same time spurring toward works and labour in the Lords will. Like the ministry of Jesus there is grace, encouragement, labour, repentance and so on. if we rest too much in thinking were saved and can never fall, theres nothing to produce changes in our lives. if we Know of the mercy of God through Christ, and balance that with His instruction rest is found inwardly but action is produced outwardly through belief.




some of the best scipture ive seen to date you truly have a seal for his ways sis :)

I wonder if some of the die hard paul fans here will share this view hmmm
 

valiant

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#49
If you are saved ?. then you have salvation ?.

So you dont know if your saved
It was an hypothetical statement. I know both that I am saved and I have salvation. God has saved me once and for all. not by works of righteousness that I have done but according to His mercy, by His washing in regeneration and the work of the Holy Spirit. (Tit 3.5).


and you know if you are you have salvation. ?
Yep salvation is of the LORD.

so youve recieved salvation befor the the day of redemption is basically what your saying. there is only one day of salvation not two.
you clearly don't know your greek. there are in fact two days of salvation. The first when God saves me and guarantees my ultimate salvation. I have been saved once for all. The second is when He brings that to final completion.
 
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It was an hypothetical statement. I know both that I am saved and I have salvation. God has saved me once and for all. not by works of righteousness that I have done but according to His mercy, by His washing in regeneration and the work of the Holy Spirit. (Tit 3.5).




Yep salvation is of the LORD.



you clearly don't know your greek. there are in fact two days of salvation. The first when God saves me and guarantees my ultimate salvation. I have been saved once for all. The second is when He brings that to final completion.
He has saved you once and for all if you keep the faith. you have free will dont you ?.............which means you could become a believer of the muslim faith tomorrow as many famous christians became believers of the muslim faith.and abandoned there christian faith


are you speaking for your self or everyone who is saved
 
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valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant
It was an hypothetical statement. I know both that I am saved and I have salvation. God has saved me once and for all. not by works of righteousness that I have done but according to His mercy, by His washing in regeneration and the work of the Holy Spirit. (Tit 3.5).




Yep salvation is of the LORD.



you clearly don't know your greek. there are in fact two days of salvation. The first when God saves me and guarantees my ultimate salvation. I have been saved once for all. The second is when He brings that to final completion.
He has saved you once and for all if you keep the faith.
Those whom He has saved will keep on truly believing, . His salvation is HIS act of grace. He will never lose any who are His (John 6.37-39, 10.27-29).


you have free will dont you ?.....
Not as far as God saving me is concerned (Eph 1.3 onwards,


........which means you could become a believer of the muslim faith tomorrow as many famous christians became believers of the muslim faith.and abandoned there christian faith
examples????

are you speaking for your self or everyone who is saved
For any whom God has saved.
 
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​We're saved, we're being saved and we will be saved. It's not a done deal. We're on a salvation journey.
When you say,It's not a done deal,would It be a done deal In the spirits of just men made perfect?
 

zone

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1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 

Desertsrose

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When you say,It's not a done deal,would It be a done deal In the spirits of just men made perfect?

What I mean is that we have a future hope as we look forward to the resurrection of our bodies and join our Lord and God in heaven.

It's like when a parent promises you an inheritance. Your their child and written in the will. You don't receive what's promised until the death of your parent(s). It's yours, just not yet.

So we're saved past tense and as an ongoing truth we're being saved daily. It's an action that is continuous. And when we finally go before the Lord to reign with Him and to be a kingdom of priests to our God, then we will know our salvation in all of it's fullness.
 
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1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
I answered this post in a previous thread..

tell me why do you asume that you may have eternal life is the same as you will have eternal life ?
 
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Like i said Salvation is a one time event that hasnt happend yet.. i cant see how much more i have to write to convince people here that they are to put on the helmet of hope for salvation..

I cant change black to pink i just cant.. and if you want to know famous people that have turned to the muslim faith then just use Google.
 

mailmandan

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What I mean is that we have a future hope as we look forward to the resurrection of our bodies and join our Lord and God in heaven.

It's like when a parent promises you an inheritance. Your their child and written in the will. You don't receive what's promised until the death of your parent(s). It's yours, just not yet.

So we're saved past tense and as an ongoing truth we're being saved daily. It's an action that is continuous. And when we finally go before the Lord to reign with Him and to be a kingdom of priests to our God, then we will know our salvation in all of it's fullness.
There are three tenses to salvation. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification); we are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification); we will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification).

2 Corinthians 1:10 - who delivered us from so great a death, and does deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us.
 

Adstar

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One is either in a state of being saved or they are not.. Salvation is like pregnancy.. You cannot be half saved.. salvation is like a switch that is either on or off..
 

hornetguy

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I answered this post in a previous thread..

tell me why do you asume that you may have eternal life is the same as you will have eternal life ?
except the scripture you quoted does not use the word "may" in regards to eternal life. It used the word "may" to say that you "may" KNOW you have eternal life. The word "might" could have been used in the same place. It doesn't indicate your status in regard to eternal life, it simply points out that we can know we have it, and that is the reason he was writing to them... so that "they may know they have eternal life"
 

1ofthem

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Sealed until the day of redemption.
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