Should We Still Keep the Feasts

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Should We keep The Feasts


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prove ,when did a gentile get the full law.[SUP][SUP]
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Prove to me that they didn't.

I'm not evading your question, but it seems that your question is unfounded. Read Acts chapter 17 concerning the Bereans. Greeks were also in the synagogue of the Jews when Paul and Silas were teaching there. Bearea is in **Greece a gentile nation.

Acts 17:10-12
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and *searched the scriptures daily , whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed ; also of honourable women which were **Greeks, and of men, not a few.

*What scripture was available to them at that time in history?

Let's concentrate on the feasts and not derail the thread. Is that ok with you?
 
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law saved no man or woman.

[SUP]24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,[/SUP]

jesus had to come to earth for that grace to be given. follow the dates and you will come close to why there is a new covenant in place, not an old covenant that was given to a jewish person or nation.
Tell me something I don't know.
 

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law saved no man or woman.

[SUP]24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,[/SUP]

jesus had to come to earth for that grace to be given. follow the dates and you will come close to why there is a new covenant in place, not an old covenant that was given to a jewish person or nation.
And there's yet another example....

But the Law can't save!

Yes, we know. No one is saying that.

The Law was never intended to save.
 
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And there's yet another example....

But the Law can't save!

Yes, we know. No one is saying that.

The Law was never intended to save.
Mention God's law or God's initiated feasts in a positive way and your attacked without provocation. What a mess!
 
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Feasts Metanarrative
The feasts are not just individual instances. They are a metanarrative, a word that means a big story. This big story consists of a number of small stories that fit together to give a complete big story.
Relating this to the topic of the God-ordained feasts we can see when we look at the ‘big story’ that God initiated a system of covenants to restore the original relationship of man to Himself…and the feasts are our response to Him.
 

john832

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And there's yet another example....

But the Law can't save!

Yes, we know. No one is saying that.

The Law was never intended to save.
What has blatant disobedience done? Did that ever save anyone?
 

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I guess Jesus lied....

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
What? That is foolishness!! Note that King James Version and a few others chose to translate ekkesia as church, so as to build on a man-made doctrine, ie the The Roman Catholic Church, ie the Universal Church, a different religion than the one Jesus and the apostles delivered. Jesus did not come to start a new religion called Christianity. Another lie propagated by the Mother of the Harlots of Babylonian religions with her daughters (ie Protestant and Reformation Churches who went along with and carried forward the changing of the times and laws (Dan_7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. )

Matthew 16:18



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(Bishops) And I say also vnto thee, that thou art Peter, and vpon this rocke I wyll buylde my congregation: And the gates of hell shall not preuayle agaynst it.

(CJB) I also tell you this: you are Kefa," [which means 'Rock,'] "and on this rock I will build my Community, and the gates of Sh'ol will not overcome it.

(CLV) Now I, also, am saying to you that you are Peter, and on this rock will I be building My ecclesia, and the gates of the unseen shall not be prevailing against it.


( KJV-1611) And I say also vnto thee, that thou art Peter, and vpon this rocke I will build my Church: and the gates of hell shall not preuaile against it.

(HRB) And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My assembly, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against her.

(KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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(LITV) And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My assembly, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against her.

(WoY) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my assembly; and the gates of the grave shall not prevail against it.

(The Scriptures 1998+) “And I also say to you that you are Kĕpha, and on this rock I shall build My assembly, and the gates of the grave shall not overcome it.

(ISV) I tell you that you are Peter, and it is on this rock that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hell will not conquer it.

(YLT) `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;


(ANT) (And) I but [to] you say for You are Peter and at this the rock will build [of] me the congregation and Gates [of] place (invisible) not will overcome her

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(IGrNT+) καγωG2504 δεG1161 AND I ALSO σοιG4671 TO THEE λεγωG3004 [G5719] SAY, οτιG3754 THAT συG4771 THOU ειG1488 [G5748] ART πετροςG4074 PETER, καιG2532 AND επιG1909 ON ταυτηG3778 τηG3588 THIS πετραG4073 ROCK οικοδομησωG3618 [G5692] I WILL BUILD μουG3450 τηνG3588 MY εκκλησιανG1577 ASSEMBLY, καιG2532 AND πυλαιG4439 GATES αδουG86 ουG3756 OF HADES κατισχυσουσινG2729 [G5692] SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST αυτηςG846 IT.

PS: Jesus came to save His people and all who want to join with His people, Israel!!

Mat_1:21 And she will bear a son, and you shall call His name Yahshua, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Luk_1:68 Blessed be YAHWEH, the Elohim of Israel, because He visited and worked salvation for His people.

Luk_1:77 to give a knowledge of salvation (Yahshua) to His people by the removing of their sins,

Luk_7:16 And fear took hold of all; and they glorified YAHWEH, saying, A great prophet has risen up among us; and, YAHWEH has visited His people.

Rom_11:1 I say then, Did not YAHWEH thrust away His people? Let it not be! For I also am an Israelite, out of Abraham's seed, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom_15:10 And again He says, "Rejoice, nations, with His people." (Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O nations with Him, and let the Cherubs of Elohim worship Him. Rejoice you nations with His people; for He shall avenge the blood of His servants, and shall render vengeance to His foes, and will atone for His land and His people.)

Heb_10:30 For we know Him who has said, "Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay," says YAHWEH. And again, "YAHWEH will judge His people." (Deut. 32:35, 36)

Rev_21:3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of YAHWEH is with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and YAHWEH Himself will be with them as their Elohim.


Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Joh 10:16 And I also have other sheep, those who were not from this sheepfold. And also them, It is necessary for me to bring them and they will hear my voice and all the flocks will become one. And there will be One Shepherd. (Eze. 37)
 

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Just a thought on the Rock...

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

It twern't Peter.
 
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Just a thought on the Rock...

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

It twern't Peter.
Psalm 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.

6697 tsuwr tsoor or tsur {tsoor}; from 6696; properly, a cliff (or sharp rock, as compressed); generally, a rock or boulder; figuratively, a refuge; also an edge (as precipitous):--edge, X (mighty) God (one), rock, X sharp, stone, X strength, X strong. See also 1049.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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petra pet'-ra feminine of the same as 4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively):--rock.


What Peter believed of Christ Jesus was the rock. Amen John832 and WomanLovesTX

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:16-18
 
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I think these posts are dividing the sheep from the goats. On one side are people who read about the way Christ was to be given to the gentiles, making the Jews and gentiles one under Christ. They read about this with an eye on God, not on what they can get by with. They learn what Christ completed and made better, knowing Christ always knew all of the OT that explains God principles. These people can hear that through Christ, true circumcision was required and physical circumcision was not required, as an example. The follow the Lord.

On the other hand, the goats are reading the same scripture but with a different goal in mind. To them all scripture is read to see what they can get by with and still be accepted by the Lord. Every word of scripture is pulled apart to meet this goal they have. By the time they get through pulling every word of scripture apart, not based on that God is eternal so what is eternal about God is truth, these scripture are looked at from a fleshly viewpoint. Living under grace with faith becomes the Lord teaches against His law. Christ replacing animal blood, the high priest, the temple becomes Christ wiping out all law. God is love becomes accepting any sin as only something God forgives, not something to strive for. That we are not to judge others by the days they keep becomes an order from the Lord to not keep any days.
 
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I think these posts are dividing the sheep from the goats. On one side are people who read about the way Christ was to be given to the gentiles, making the Jews and gentiles one under Christ. They read about this with an eye on God, not on what they can get by with. They learn what Christ completed and made better, knowing Christ always knew all of the OT that explains God principles. These people can hear that through Christ, true circumcision was required and physical circumcision was not required, as an example. The follow the Lord.

On the other hand, the goats are reading the same scripture but with a different goal in mind. To them all scripture is read to see what they can get by with and still be accepted by the Lord. Every word of scripture is pulled apart to meet this goal they have. By the time they get through pulling every word of scripture apart, not based on that God is eternal so what is eternal about God is truth, these scripture are looked at from a fleshly viewpoint. Living under grace with faith becomes the Lord teaches against His law. Christ replacing animal blood, the high priest, the temple becomes Christ wiping out all law. God is love becomes accepting any sin as only something God forgives, not something to strive for. That we are not to judge others by the days they keep becomes an order from the Lord to not keep any days.
Ironic as it may seem, the description in your second paragraph is the same mindset as was the Pharisees in Jesus' day. If you cannot make God's law into what you want it to be then just get rid of it. Works for self righteousness by a distorted law, and then works of self righteousness without any of God's law. Is faith in either one? What a shame!
 
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hay Red,

you may gets some goats!!!:cool:
 
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hay Red,

you may gets some goats!!!:cool:
Good one LOL Let's talk about the omer in the feasts. Should we?

Particularly, in the “Feast of Tabernacles,” we can find that there were certain measurements of flour mixed with oil to be offered with the Bullock, being an allegory, or comparison, representing the attributes, and sovereignty of Jesus Christ.

This measurement was called an “omer” which means promise. Psalm 68:11 The Lord gave the word: (Strong's 562) great was the company of those that published it. 562 'omer o'-mer the same as 561
:--promise, speech, thing, word.

Some translation call an ephah a deal. an omer is 1/10th of an ephah. Exodus 16:36
 
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Good one LOL Let's talk about the omer in the feasts. Should we?

Particularly, in the “Feast of Tabernacles,” we can find that there were certain measurements of flour mixed with oil to be offered with the Bullock, being an allegory, or comparison, representing the attributes, and sovereignty of Jesus Christ.

This measurement was called an “omer” which means promise. Psalm 68:11 The Lord gave the word: (Strong's 562) great was the company of those that published it. 562 'omer o'-mer the same as 561
:--promise, speech, thing, word.

Some translation call an ephah a deal. an omer is 1/10th of an ephah. Exodus 16:36
Could there be a comparison?
taken from the Hebrew-English Bible according to the Masoretic text and the JPS 1917 edition.
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten words.

The KJV says "And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

Could this be a relationship with the omers?
 

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Psalm 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.

6697 tsuwr tsoor or tsur {tsoor}; from 6696; properly, a cliff (or sharp rock, as compressed); generally, a rock or boulder; figuratively, a refuge; also an edge (as precipitous):--edge, X (mighty) God (one), rock, X sharp, stone, X strength, X strong. See also 1049.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

4073.
petra pet'-ra feminine of the same as 4074; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively):--rock.


What Peter believed of Christ Jesus was the rock. Amen John832 and WomanLovesTX

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 16:16-18
Without elaborating too much, I just want to add that the Saint Peter in Vatican is not the apostle Peter, but of the Simon (Magus) the sorcerer of Acts 8. Peter the aspostle never set foot in Rome during his lifetime, and possibly the only likely scenario that he was ever in Rome was to be executed.
 

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Ironic as it may seem, the description in your second paragraph is the same mindset as was the Pharisees in Jesus' day. If you cannot make God's law into what you want it to be then just get rid of it. Works for self righteousness by a distorted law, and then works of self righteousness without any of God's law. Is faith in either one? What a shame!
It's more than a shame, it is widespread deception that needs to be unlearned.

Mat_13:41 The Son of Man will send forth His cherubs, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who practice lawlessness.

Mat_23:28 So you also indeed outwardly appear righteous to men, but within are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

Mat_24:12 And because lawlessness shall have been multiplied, the love of the many will grow cold.

2Co_6:14 Do not unite in marriage with unbelievers. For what partnership does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what fellowship does light have with darkness?

2Th_2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already working, until He who is now the obstacle, is taken out of the way.

Tit_2:14 who gave Himself on our behalf, "That He might redeem us from all lawlessness and purify a special people for Himself, zealous of good works." (Psa. 130:8; Eze. 37:23; Deut. 14:2)

Heb_1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this, YAHWEH, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beside Your fellows."(Psa. 45:6, 7)

1Jn_3:4 Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is the breaking of the Torah.
 

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Could there be a comparison?
taken from the Hebrew-English Bible according to the Masoretic text and the JPS 1917 edition.
Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten words.

The KJV says "And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments."

Could this be a relationship with the omers?
Yes, most definitely could be. I have never seen that connection, so I looked up the LXX in Greek that coordinates with H562.

H562
אמר
'ômer
o'-mer
The same as H561: - promise, speech, thing, word.

LXX related word(s)
G2981 lalia

G2981
λαλιά
lalia
lal-ee-ah'
From G2980; talk: - saying, speech.

LXX related word(s)
H562 omer
H1697 davar
H1700 divrah
H4926 mishma aznayim
 

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And there's yet another example....

But the Law can't save!

Yes, we know. No one is saying that.

The Law was never intended to save.
The Law is intended to identify the sheep from the goats?
 

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No, I don't think He lied.
of course not, that was my point. He began His Church as a different entity than the nation of Israel. IOW, Israel and the Church are distinct.
 
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I think these posts are dividing the sheep from the goats. On one side are people who read about the way Christ was to be given to the gentiles, making the Jews and gentiles one under Christ. They read about this with an eye on God, not on what they can get by with. They learn what Christ completed and made better, knowing Christ always knew all of the OT that explains God principles. These people can hear that through Christ, true circumcision was required and physical circumcision was not required, as an example. The follow the Lord.

On the other hand, the goats are reading the same scripture but with a different goal in mind. To them all scripture is read to see what they can get by with and still be accepted by the Lord. Every word of scripture is pulled apart to meet this goal they have. By the time they get through pulling every word of scripture apart, not based on that God is eternal so what is eternal about God is truth, these scripture are looked at from a fleshly viewpoint. Living under grace with faith becomes the Lord teaches against His law. Christ replacing animal blood, the high priest, the temple becomes Christ wiping out all law. God is love becomes accepting any sin as only something God forgives, not something to strive for. That we are not to judge others by the days they keep becomes an order from the Lord to not keep any days.
Goats are unbelievers - I have seen no one deny our Lord.

It just seems that more emphasis is given to the feast, the OT 613 Laws than is given to Christ. Those Prophetic shadows were shadows of a reality that was coming - Jesus Christ is the reality of the Feast of Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of First Fruits and the Feast of Weeks - they are no more shadows for the reality has brought them to light. Christ brought to light those feasts that were shadows - yes, there are 3 more feast to come and Christ will bring them to light when he comes again. It just seems that more emphasis is given to the feast, the OT 613 Laws than is given to Christ.

From Post #215

And the real cincher is this idea that you can have faith in the Lord and His words and disregard thar God gave a special blessing on one day out of seven with special instructions to us for that day. Saying they are so pure and wonderful as Christians that they treat every day as that special day so are exempt from the word.
And thank you for your condemnation to those whose work schedule excludes them from keeping ONE day - a CERTAIN day - set apart as a "rest" day . . .

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteems one day above another: another esteems every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regards the day, regards it unto the Lord; and he that regards not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Romans 14:4-6

Because we disagree; we do not have to resort to saying that those with a different opinion are or should be in condemnation.