Sin-Nature Problem

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Noblemen

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The dividing soul and spirit has to be applied to the scriptures that are divided for the believer.
I have come across some believers that have finally concluded thay the word contradicts itself, if they can't divide soul and spirit it is eady to see why they would conclude such thinking.
Rightly dividing the word of truth is the same way, if we do not divide up what is to us, the born again, then there is a possibility for some to not be able to put it altogether to make one gospel.most you speak with have no absolutes just assumptions.
 
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Very good understanding, I would point out if I may that the moment you believed you became one with Christ "he that is joined to the Lord is one spirit."
 
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I understand your thinking but what about being crucified with Christ, we have no life of our own, so I dont really understand all the I's and you's.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Your posts about this issue are confusing. On one hand you are accepting the fact that believers have the sin nature, but here you are saying that they do not. The truth is that "the flesh" (sin nature) remains in all Christians, but the indwelling Holy Spirit empowers Christians to resist the flesh. However Christians can and do sin, and they must deal with their present sins according to Scripture. At the same time, because "the old man" was crucified, sin cannot have dominion over the believer.
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Yea I may have said something somewhere, but I do not believe a Christian has a sin nature. I believe Christians sin it is a soul-mind action now not from their nature. The new nature of the born again is from their Father.
 
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Noblemen said:
I understand you're thinking, and it is the understanding of the majority of the body of Christ. But the fact of the matter is the old man was crucified on the cross, the born again believer has no sin nature they have the nature of their Father which is in Christ.
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Amen. Our true nature is no longer sinful. That which we really are, our spirit, is made clean in Christ. The battle is now for the soul (our thoughts). The flesh will always be wicked while on this planet, but we are NOT our flesh.
 
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FlSnookman7 said:
Amen. Our true nature is no longer sinful. That which we really are, our spirit, is made clean in Christ. The battle is now for the soul (our thoughts). The flesh will always be wicked while on this planet, but we are NOT our flesh.
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Seems because we still sin that believers can not accept the fact.
The revelation of what Paul tells us through his many revelations is what sets the believer apart from the world and gives them a knowledge of who they are.
 
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Sin-Nature Problem???
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Rom 7v7-24 is Paul’s pre Christian experience, not his post!

In Rom 7v25-8v9 he tells us that by being born again and through the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and walking in the Spirit he does not walk according to the flesh!

The same truth is also written in Gal 5v16-26, Paul also writes in 1Cor 9v24-27:

“Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.”

After being born again he walked in the Spirit, and not after the flesh!
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
There is absolutely no difference. Just different terms for the same thing. The flesh is the old man, and while its power was destroyed at the Cross, it has not been eradicated in the believer.
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We are a 3 part being, spirit, mind, body[flesh]

If the Spirit controls a man then his mind and body will follow the spirit of the man

If the mind controls a man then his spirit remains dead to God and his body will follow the mind[will, emotions, passions, lusts, intellect]

Romans 8:6-8

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God
 
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Fascinating subject.
 
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joefizz said:
Fascinating subject.
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Indeed !!! and I have a REAL problem with 'being born again'.
NOT that I don't believe it.... but rather WHEN !!!
I just can not understand HOW we are 'born again in this life'without first going through the stage of 'spiritual begetting/conception/gestation....which nobody seems to talk about. But that's another topic.
 
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joefizz said:
Fascinating subject.
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Lol hee
Y I would like to hear .ore of what you have to say.
For myself I have been alive for a while and dont take my self to serious. I enjoy posting in the foru.s but I am not much of a debater, anyway hole you have more to say.
 
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beta said:
Indeed !!! and I have a REAL problem with 'being born again'.
NOT that I don't believe it.... but rather WHEN !!!
I just can not understand HOW we are 'born again in this life'without first going through the stage of 'spiritual begetting/conception/gestation....which nobody seems to talk about. But that's another topic.
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Yes absolutely I'll be sharing more on the birthing (born again), if you care to present something please do, I'm for it.
Basically that is where nature come from, seeing the two nature and the birthing, as I like to referr to it, helped open the scripture up to me.
 
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Noblemen

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Chester said:
On the question of - Does the Christian have the sin nature?

Since Adam's sin, all people that have been born (except Christ who was not born of Joseph) have been born with a "sin nature" (KJV - old man, old nature, "dead"). But when we are "born again," this old nature died with Christ on the cross and we are resurrected with Christ and now have a new nature (new man, new creature - KJV). The Holy Spirit living in our spirit then desires to control and live our new nature so that we can learn to live in victory over sin in our flesh.

A key is to realize there is a big difference between the flesh (Greek 'sarks') and the old nature (sin nature). The believer no longer has the old sin nature, but he very much still has the flesh. And this flesh is what causes the constant ongoing battle with sin.
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I got distracted from your post which I appreciate. The old man is crucified in Christ.
 
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Noblemen said:
Yes absolutely I'll be sharing more on the birthing (born again), if you care to present something please do, I'm for it.
Basically that is where nature come from, seeing the two nature and the birthing, as I like to referr to it, helped open the scripture up to me.
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I think I understand what you are saying here. Are you speaking of when truth of what we are becomes reality in our understanding?

Am waiting with excitement. I love the revelation of Gods Word!
 
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Noblemen

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stonesoffire said:
I think I understand what you are saying here. Are you speaking of when truth of what we are becomes reality in our understanding?

Am waiting with excitement. I love the revelation of Gods Word!
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Yes that is what I am talking about. Paul had many Revelations but none as far-reaching as the revelation of the indwelling Christ, it opens up different things in scripture to the Believers understanding when they have a revelation of the indwelling Christ as life.
If you look at Galatians chapter 1 you will see where the gospel that Paul preached was a person, verses 11 through 12.
And in verses15 and 16 you see where Paul had his revelation of the indwelling Christ, it is written only in the King James as such.
A lot of the newer translations leave out the in Christ message as well as retranslating Paul's Revelations.
 
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Noblemen said:
Yea I may have said something somewhere, but I do not believe a Christian has a sin nature.
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If what you say is true, then there would have been no need for the apostle John to tell us in plain words in 1 John:

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

This is addressed to Christians, since only Christians can have fellowship with God, and the context is fellowship with God. So it is a very serious matter to invent your own theology and imagine that you are sinlessly perfect.
 
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beta said:
Indeed !!! and I have a REAL problem with 'being born again'.
NOT that I don't believe it.... but rather WHEN !!!
I just can not understand HOW we are 'born again in this life'without first going through the stage of 'spiritual begetting/conception/gestation....which nobody seems to talk about. But that's another topic.
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Looks like you are still where Nicodemus was in imagining that the New Birth is like the old birth. There is no begetting/conception/gestation since it is an immediate and supernatural event.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
If what you say is true, then there would have been no need for the apostle John to tell us in plain words in 1 John:

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

This is addressed to Christians, since only Christians can have fellowship with God, and the context is fellowship with God. So it is a very serious matter to invent your own theology and imagine that you are sinlessly perfect.
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Romans 7:14-26

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.
 
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Being born again has to do with the spiritual part of ourselves. We are still in the flesh and that flesh will continue to war against the born again spirit.

That is the challenge Christians face on a daily basis. As we mature and yield in our Christian walk, that war becomes less. But while on earth, it will never be ended.
 
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Noblemen

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That is soulish, has nothing to do with spirit.
 
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