So apparently I am no longer a Christian, because I am Intersex

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oh maggie stop it.
stop passing the buck to dead ancestors!
and stop blaming everything on SATAN!

the only remedy is REPENTANCE and the forgiveness of sins through Christ - The Cross - not some dumb formula from wazzizface Wagner.

The Sins of Generational Curse Teaching

What is the harm in playing a little fast and loose with Scripture and saying a few extra prayers? Here is an incomplete list of the detrimental effects of generational curse. It:

-denies the sufficiency of Scripture and requires that human-generated tests, rites, and formulas be added to the Word of God (compare 2 Timothy 3:15–17; 2 Peter 1:3–8).
-denies the completed work of Christ on the cross.
-creates a Jesus-plus gospel (see Galatians 1:6–9).
-denies the biblical teaching of personal responsibility.
-moves us a step closer to the paganism out of which we were called.
-puts undue emphasis on the works of men, thus flirting again with a works-based relationship with God.
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All it does is pass the buck. The very same thing that happened in the garden. It's not my fault it's her fault,it's not my fault it's the serpents fault. It is the same as every other excuse that is used to pass the buck. Part of repentance is owning up to what we did. It does not mean that there aren't sins that continue on in families. The thing with generational sins is that they are observed by the children and in some ways they are taught them and they learn that the behavior is accepted on some level.
 
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Salvation has nothing to do with who you are, or what you have done.

Accept Jesus as lord of your life and savior.

"In Christ there is nothing I can do that would make You love me more, and nothing I have done that can make You love me less."
"Your presence and approval are all I need for everlasting Joy"
"As You have been to me,so I will be to others." As I pray, I will measure Your compassion by the cross, and Your Power by the resurrection."
(JD Greear)

Christian is not a label. It is a way of life.
 

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So Strickalator, you claim to be a woman trapped in mans body and have a few physical defects to "prove" this, however it seems rather all too familiar story. The way I look at it, first of all , yes no matter what you are, God will not reject your love for him, however your lifestyle will now go against Gods morals and values he laid down for us to follow.

If as a man, you went around lusting after men, then realising you were actully one of the very genuine tiny number of cases of 100% trapped in wrong body, then that would be understandable explination as to why you were engaging in homosexual acts. However, as a man, you are saying you love women, which suggests that you are not 100% female on inside so to speak. After your sex change you still will be going after women, that makes you a homosexual, which is a sin.

This of course has been debated to death, so I wont go into all that myself, however I did notice that you said your pastor is a lesbian. Blind leading blind comes to mind. If I had a problem with drugs or drink, I would not go to a pastor who also had a drink and drug problem.

So if you do decide to go ahead and take on the appearance of a woman and play at being a woman, then you can not have it both ways and continue to live as a man, ie sleeping with women.

Abstain from any kind of relationship, pray to God to help you overcome your homosexuality, the closer you grow to God the more you will be transformed and hopefully you will loose the spirit of homosexuality and learn to love men and marry a man later in your life, and live a normal heterosexual relationship.
 
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You know something? I have read a book called "transgender journeys" and one of the authors tried to bury her attraction to women for 22 years. Got married to a man, had children, but they were never truly attracted to them, no matter how much they tried to pray it away or stay strong as a woman with her husband and raising kids, it never went away.

The same goes for my pastor, i grilled her on all this. She told me she tried to date men and because she was raised to believe it is wrong. I have met since then many men and women who all have said similiar things. They did not ask to be attracted to the same sex any more than a person who is straight asked to be attracted to the opposite sex.

I am sorry but just as some of you cannot change your mind about it, I cannot go back to a place of hate and non acceptance. I just cannot. I was even raped by a male when I was 15 at the boys ranch, that was a hard thing to deal with. It made me hate homosexual people for a long time.

So again God Bless and I wish you well.
 
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You have a lesbian, female preacher?
 
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You know something? I have read a book called "transgender journeys" and one of the authors tried to bury her attraction to women for 22 years. Got married to a man, had children, but they were never truly attracted to them, no matter how much they tried to pray it away or stay strong as a woman with her husband and raising kids, it never went away.

The same goes for my pastor, i grilled her on all this. She told me she tried to date men and because she was raised to believe it is wrong. I have met since then many men and women who all have said similiar things. They did not ask to be attracted to the same sex any more than a person who is straight asked to be attracted to the opposite sex.

I am sorry but just as some of you cannot change your mind about it, I cannot go back to a place of hate and non acceptance. I just cannot. I was even raped by a male when I was 15 at the boys ranch, that was a hard thing to deal with. It made me hate homosexual people for a long time.

So again God Bless and I wish you well.

Have you dealt with the abuse and the rape? From everything you have said it all makes sense why you are struggling with this. It's why you got the warnings about not going this direction. It's why you still are attracted to women. Your healing is not going to come from changing your body. The healing the Lord wants to give you is in your heart and soul. It's because of the abuse and it needs to be dealt with,that is where you will find your peace and wholeness,it's time to let those go and become the person the Lord wants you to be. Doing the operation is not the answer,it will be something that in the long run is not what He wants for you.
 

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Hi, Shawn :)

I'm not concerned for your salvation, even if you do decide to go through with the operation. However, I AM concerned the you're stepping out of God's will to grasp at a straw that won't bring you true peace and contentment. I know that only God truly understands your situation and what you're going through, but please hear me out.

You said that you "need" a wife. Well, I used to think that I "needed" a husband. I focused WAY too much on finding Mr. Right, when I should have focused on my relationship with Christ, because only HE can truly complete us.

I also always wanted kids, because I love them. I'm sort of "wired" to be a mom. Yet, I'm pushing 30 and still childless, and will probably remain so. And, you know what? I'm ok with that :).

Granted, it took me a while to get to that point, probably a lot longer than it should have. But now I can look back and see that my life really has been in His hands all along, even if at times I couldn't see it. He knows what He's doing, and I know that as long as I seek His will and try to stay within it, everything will be ok.

That's not to say that there won't be trials and difficulties; that's just part of life. But I do know that once I let go of the illusion of what I thought I needed, and instead asked Jesus to be all I needed, He really did fill the void in my heart.

I'm not here to tell you what to do regarding the operation, but I do think that if you go through with it, you will be putting a physical bandage on a spiritual wound. That never works for long, trust me ;).

You are attracted to women. Genetically, it appears that you are a male. Sure sounds to me like you are a heterosexual man with some abnormalities and effeminate traits, and there's nothing at all wrong with that.....just be the way God made you. Just be Shawn Strickland, The Strickalator! ;)

Also, just one more thing to toss out......what if you go through with the surgery and start living like a woman, only to meet an awesome lady that you'd like to spend the rest of your life with, but..........she's straight? The fact that you went ahead and changed yourself could backfire in the end..........

I don't doubt that you're struggling, but I think that you need give it all to Jesus and ask Him to be your everything. It would also be a good idea to ask The Holy Spirit to fill you and guide you, it make s a big difference. I wish you all the best, and I pray that you find true spiritual healing. Love, Nichole
 
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Hi, Shawn :)

I'm not concerned for your salvation, even if you do decide to go through with the operation. However, I AM concerned the you're stepping out of God's will to grasp at a straw that won't bring you true peace and contentment. I know that only God truly understands your situation and what you're going through, but please hear me out.

You said that you "need" a wife. Well, I used to think that I "needed" a husband. I focused WAY too much on finding Mr. Right, when I should have focused on my relationship with Christ, because only HE can truly complete us.

I also always wanted kids, because I love them. I'm sort of "wired" to be a mom. Yet, I'm pushing 30 and still childless, and will probably remain so. And, you know what? I'm ok with that :).

Granted, it took me a while to get to that point, probably a lot longer than it should have. But now I can look back and see that my life really has been in His hands all along, even if at times I couldn't see it. He knows what He's doing, and I know that as long as I seek His will and try to stay within it, everything will be ok.

That's not to say that there won't be trials and difficulties; that's just part of life. But I do know that once I let go of the illusion of what I thought I needed, and instead asked Jesus to be all I needed, He really did fill the void in my heart.

I'm not here to tell you what to do regarding the operation, but I do think that if you go through with it, you will be putting a physical bandage on a spiritual wound. That never works for long, trust me ;).

You are attracted to women. Genetically, it appears that you are a male. Sure sounds to me like you are a heterosexual man with some abnormalities and effeminate traits, and there's nothing at all wrong with that.....just be the way God made you. Just be Shawn Strickland, The Strickalator! ;)

Also, just one more thing to toss out......what if you go through with the surgery and start living like a woman, only to meet an awesome lady that you'd like to spend the rest of your life with, but..........she's straight? The fact that you went ahead and changed yourself could backfire in the end..........

I don't doubt that you're struggling, but I think that you need give it all to Jesus and ask Him to be your everything. It would also be a good idea to ask The Holy Spirit to fill you and guide you, it make s a big difference. I wish you all the best, and I pray that you find true spiritual healing. Love, Nichole
Struggle with Jesus, He will carry you through, like Nichole says, give it ALL to Jesus, all to Him, surrender all, the Lord leads :)

Strickanator, never terminate your relationship with Him, that is the key, YOU stay with Him, sure, you will err, we ALL do, but you have Him in you, Scripture says, 'Don't you know your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit? '

Feel normal, you are struggling like we all do, with fleshly things, and, the MOMENT you give that flesh stuff to God, and, focus on Him, the focus in your life will change. It WILL :) The Lord leads, but I guarantee it !!!! You will begin to realize that what you are is not that bad, in fact, not bad at all, there is more to your life than meets your eyes, not His, keep in mind :) YOU are a unique human being that God saw fit to make and WATCH you grow, as who you are. He made you for a REASON, His, and, what Scripture says is true, whatever we do, we are to do it ALL to the glory of God, who made us, who keeps us, and, don't forget, who saves us from a life without Him after we die, which, trust me, will be hell for those who do not choose Him. God loves you for who YOU are, strickanator, you are His man to take on certain things of need for bringing glory to Him and blessing to you.

I hope and pray this all makes sense, God bless you, young man. Keep on keeping on, you are a gender of His :)

The Lord leads. '...you follow Me .' John 21:22 . Jesus talking to Peter here, strick, talking to Peter about keeping His eyes focused on God's plan for Peter's life by God planned, NOT on someone else's, NOT on anyone else's. On His PERFECT plan for you, stay in THAT moment, my fellow Christ peep, friend, and brother of His, do NOT go anywhere without God, remember, He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you, PRAY for your family who is not accepting you, remember, God accepts you from the MOMENT you are conceived, He made you for a purpose, a 'great' purpose, His, for great is the Lord :)

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Some food for thought , here is a famous model, now I know the identity of the models gender, and I also know that they are not transgender OR intersex, and tell me who do you see here?

A man or a woman? Now they will tell you who they are, and how they were raised. You see we all have a perception of who we think someone is and who they actually are.

If your clever enough you can google and find out for yourself who this is , but for now I will let you decide.

He's a man.
Male Skull structure, Adam's apple.
 

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You know what I thought of when I read about your dream? That verse in 1 Corinthians that says: "For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?" It reminded me that we're supposed to be MORE than men.

I, like the others, do not think that changing genders will be what you're looking for. Jesus can absolutely be your everything. He can bring you contentment in any circumstance.

I have no idea if this is helpful to you or not, but I'm sorry for what you're going through and I wish you the very best. You're in my prayers. <3
 
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You know something? I have read a book called "transgender journeys" and one of the authors tried to bury her attraction to women for 22 years. Got married to a man, had children, but they were never truly attracted to them, no matter how much they tried to pray it away or stay strong as a woman with her husband and raising kids, it never went away.

The same goes for my pastor, i grilled her on all this. She told me she tried to date men and because she was raised to believe it is wrong. I have met since then many men and women who all have said similiar things. They did not ask to be attracted to the same sex any more than a person who is straight asked to be attracted to the opposite sex.

I am sorry but just as some of you cannot change your mind about it, I cannot go back to a place of hate and non acceptance. I just cannot. I was even raped by a male when I was 15 at the boys ranch, that was a hard thing to deal with. It made me hate homosexual people for a long time.

So again God Bless and I wish you well.
Don't overlook the effect this traumatic event had on your sexuality.
This:(rape, and child molestation by the same sex); has been a prevailing source of gender confusion for the victim later in life.
And YES! You were (and are) a victim.
But there is a way out. If you want to stop being a victim.
Jesus came to heal the brokenhearted.
He can heal the insufferable pain you have been through, the emotional anguish.
You weren't made this way......you were hurt.
May Jesus bind up your emotional wounds.
Everyone pray for him!


 
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Do we ever ourselves these questions (These are prefaced on one being both) If one was to have the operation would that not by definition make one a eunuch by men and by choice? Two if one is both then depending on the situation would that in God's sight mean that one is either preforming homosexual or lesbian acts and if one truly is both would it really matter which one is being committed? See the answer to those questions must be seen from God's perspective and not ours. And if the answers to those questions are yes it means we have a far finer line to walk then most. The answer to those questions start to define where our boundaries are. And God will expect us to live within those boundaries,He will not allow us to us this as an excuse or license to disobey Him.
 
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The Boundaries that I know are sinful against God would be, lust and pornography and prostitution and adultery.

Anyone from anywhere can and does do these things. These sins are evident in people of all walks of life. My Gender and my orientation don't change that I must still turn away from those things and walk with God.

Food for Thought.

 

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The Boundaries that I know are sinful against God would be, lust and pornography and prostitution and adultery.

Anyone from anywhere can and does do these things. These sins are evident in people of all walks of life. My Gender and my orientation don't change that I must still turn away from those things and walk with God.

Food for Thought.

humans have always decided what is acceptable to God and what Gods thoughts and morals are, in order to continue with a sinful lifestyle. It is obvious your Lesbian Pastor has already convinced you there is nothing wrong with being homosexual and this should not stop you from doing what you like.
 
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The Boundaries that I know are sinful against God would be, lust and pornography and prostitution and adultery.

Anyone from anywhere can and does do these things. These sins are evident in people of all walks of life. My Gender and my orientation don't change that I must still turn away from those things and walk with God.

Food for Thought.

So how does God define adultery? What does He mean when He says though shalt not commit adultery? Jesus says that if you even look at a woman with lust in your heart you have in God's eyes committed adultery and the reverse would be also true of a woman that looks at a man with lust. With that in mind what is adultery in God's sight?

The same with lust what is God's definition of it and what is it? Or is lust at the root of adultery? Again God's definition and not our definition of it.

In your words food for thought

 
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Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?


Look to what the bible says; don't let mere people pass judgement on you - they truly have no authority.

God knows everyone's situation; the physical bodies are made from the earth, and whether you are male or female on the outside or inside, the body returns to the dust and your soul will go with God.

It's moreso about the condition of your heart and soul, than the condition of your body.

The only thing I would say about this situation, is if there is homosexuality involved; homosexuality is considered sexually immoral in the bible, and with God one can overcome this disposition.

As far as being intersexed, I've never heard nor read anything of it in the bible; just focus on where you stand with God and keep a heart and mind for him and most of all pray that he helps you come to understand your situation.

A Christian by definition is someone who follows Jesus Christ; so if you care to keep his commands and follow him with all your heart and soul - how can anyone of this earth take that title from you?

God Bless You!
 
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Taking it one step further Jesus said we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Now if one where both (Based on the premise that one is) does that cause the other person to sin in that in God's eyes it may be viewed as they are in homosexual or lesbian sin? (The Mosaic law was given so that we would know how God defines adultery) Are we then to be the cause of someone else's sin? If one were to do that it is the one that causes the other to stumble that is at fault for causing the one to stumble and it is not out of love for our neighbor. (Not that the other is without guilt because they made that choice) But it does not excuse the one that cause the other to stumble.
 
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Shawn,

Question for you. How much time have you spent seeking the Lord on what is the root of the problem? And how much time are you spending looking for things and people that just want to reinforce this? How much time is spent looking for videos and websites that continue to push you in this direction and how much time is spent studying His word,praying and seeking His face and will on this,and how much time has been spent talking with Godly men and women who will pray for you and keep you accountable? If one is drawn to certain things does it help us if all we do is to seek reinforcement for what we are doing? If I believe I am a turnip and all I do is seek others that will allow me to believe I am a turnip,does that really make me a turnip? What people here are seeing is a really big red flag that should be causing you to stop and think it through. And that is the one issue that God is very clear on. You are attracted to women. That should be telling you that the root of the issue is not being trans. Now if you were either attracted to men or if you were asexual (Or in others words a eunuch by birth because they are made that way) it would be far more likely that one would be.

God's plumb line does not change,nor will it ever.
 
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There is one other nasty little thing that goes with this. It's something that is rarely talked about. What about those who were so sure they needed to transition and many,many years later they realize they were wrong? Are you willing to deal with the guilt and shame and the over whelming need to undo that which which has been done? Are you willing to throw out everything the Lord is wanting to do for you,that He will no longer do because of a choice that is not meant for you? Each and every choice we make has consequences,good,bad and indifferent. Make a bad choice and the consequences can be severe. Can you be so sure that if the operation is done that then in God's eyes you are then made a eunuch by men and by choice and that marriage is no longer an option?
 
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I have already spoken to you about the dream and vision that came from God, It is not videos and other people that i am relying on. I am reading God's word and I have a peace in my heart that I did not have before. I feel like i can lead people who are LGBTQQI to Christ.

I have been called to help others, but I won't be as effective as a disciple, until I can do either 2 things. The dream i had did not come from Satan, it was the same God (The one true God) that I have known most of my life.

We all have to come to a place of congruence&#8212;a place of authenticity and unashamed abandon to God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. This is no different for gender minorities. Some would say that worshiping God from a place of internal conflict surrounding gender is not authentic, or what God would want for the person. To that end, I see two options to make the changes necessary to experience congruence in body and mind: (1) transition the outward physical body to whatever extent is necessary to experience congruence or (2) transform the heart and the mind to align with the physical body.

I have asked God time and again to take this away from me and change my internal heart and mind to align with the body. Now on the matter of being attracted to women, this is a separate issue.

It is natural for me to be attracted to women, i would not care if that woman was transgender or otherwise. Now that being said, for me to be with a man would be unnatural for me and i would just be at that point giving into what is unnatural to me as is spoke of in Romans 1:21-31

If we follow these passages, step-by-step, we find Paul is moving through a logical progression. He is talking about people who:

Refused to acknowledge and glorify God. (v. 21)
Began worshiping idols (images of created things, rather than the Creator). (v. 23)
Were more interested in earthly pursuits than spiritual pursuits. (v. 25)
Gave up their natural, i.e., innate, passion for the opposite sex in an unbounded search for pleasure. (v. 26-27)
Lived lives full of covetousness, malice, envy, strife, slander, disrespect for parents, pride, and hatred of God. (v. 29-31)

The model of homosexual behavior Paul was addressing here is explicitly associated with idol worship (probably temple prostitution, and with people who, in an unbridled search for pleasure (or because of religious rituals associated with their idolatry), broke away from their natural sexual orientation, participating in promiscuous sex with anyone available.

There are, no doubt, modern people who engage in homosexual sex for reasons similar to those identified in Romans 1. If someone began with a clear heterosexual orientation, but rejected God and began experimenting with gay sex simply as a way of experiencing a new set of pleasures, then this passage may apply to that person. But this is not the experience of the vast majority of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people.

You can't ask me to be with a man if I am woman and still attracted to women.

 
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