So faith without works is dead also.

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Albino_Nun

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crossnote said:
and work's which are pleasing to God without faith is impossible.We do good works out of thankfulness not to merit brownie points.
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Right on! Score cards are not needed. What is a life without good works?
 
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heirofChrist

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Works will come from the faith my friend. You don't work for salvation at all... we will bear our burdens and we will reap what we sow, fact is our deeds are just as good as a filthy rag. Nothing to cross we bring, simply to the Cross we cling. Our deeds will come because we love Christ and imitate him...because he saved us not because we are working to "earn" salvation. Christians will carry out the work of the Father. We follow and obey him because he loves us not because we earn a ticket to heaven. Working for salvation is only pride. Its man's attempt trying to save themselves. There is nothing you can do "to get salvation", out side of trusting Christ. If we claim to trust Christ and not start bearing fruit and don't obey him that just shows we really arent born again. We are saved by Grace through faith. not by works.
 
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James 2:18-23 [SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? [SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

James is simply saying works are the evidence, the results of faith. Anyone who believes that Christ is the son of God will bring forth fruits of repentance, fruits of righteousness, all of which pertain to works. If I believe Jesus is my Lord, I am going to have to do something, such as changing my attitude which requires works; showing Him more respect, which requires works; honoring Him with my worship, which is works; giving Him praise, which is works; walking in obedience, which is works. If I really believe in Him, I'm going to act upon that faith which brings some real results. Anyone can say "I believe". But the individual without results is a liar.
 
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nathan3

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Works is the only thing you can take from this world with you, to heaven. Hope they are good works. It's written in Revelation that the fine linen you wear in heaven, is made up of righteous acts. If you don't have any. You might end up naked in heaven. Forever : / That would make me feel ashamed .

Revelation 19:8

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
 
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Albino_Nun said:
Right on! Score cards are not needed. What is a life without good works?
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Equally, there are no good works apart from His imputed righteousness which cover even the stains of our 'good works'.
 
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cfultz3

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Stephen63 said:
James 2:18-23 [SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? [SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

James is simply saying works are the evidence, the results of faith. Anyone who believes that Christ is the son of God will bring forth fruits of repentance, fruits of righteousness, all of which pertain to works. If I believe Jesus is my Lord, I am going to have to do something, such as changing my attitude which requires works; showing Him more respect, which requires works; honoring Him with my worship, which is works; giving Him praise, which is works; walking in obedience, which is works. If I really believe in Him, I'm going to act upon that faith which brings some real results. Anyone can say "I believe". But the individual without results is a liar.
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Not much I can add here Stephen.
 
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Equally, there are no good works apart from His imputed righteousness which cover even the stains of our 'good works'.
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Imputed righteousness is the very person of Christ living on the inside of a believer, not an abstract concept which covers our past, present or future sin, or "good works" for that matter.
 
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Imputed righteousness is the very person of Christ living on the inside of a believer, not an abstract concept which covers our past, present or future sin, or "good works" for that matter.
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it sounds like you are mixing up imputed righteousness with infused righteousness. Imputed righteousness is the righteousness credited to our account when we believe the Gospel. It is a righteousness not our own but imputed to us on account of Christ.
 
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GreenNnice

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Crossfire said:

Imputed righteousness is the very person of Christ living on the inside of a believer, not an abstract concept which covers our past, present or future sin, or "good works" for that matter.
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crossnote said:
it sounds like you are mixing up imputed righteousness with infused righteousness. Imputed righteousness is the righteousness credited to our account when we believe the Gospel. It is a righteousness not our own but imputed to us on account of Christ.
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When we become a Christian (accept Christ into your heart), we have Christ's righteousness imputed (charged) to us, like an electrical invigoration of imputation. We are then like Him. I hope this makes sense. This 'righteousness', or, right standing with God does not automatically elect us into heaven, it is by this grace thought that we CAN have salvation.


I just did a thread on this concept but, yes, it's very well said by crossfyre, crossnoted, with only adding that because of the blood of Christ, though we still do sin, it is covered by the blood of Christ and that covering, from our having CONFESSED, and, confessing now, and, in the future, as we are LED by Him in us, makes us 'not sin,' as Scripture states clearly, 'Born of God, one does not sin.' 1 John 3: 6 and 3:9 say the say thing, might be the only place in Scripture, too, where the same words are repeated within so short a timeframe of each other, 'course, the words are slightly different, 'whoever abides in Him does not sin,' is verse 6 and verse 9 is more like what crossfyre speaks of in our having Christ in us, 'Whoever has been born of God does not sin...' and, to continue, :) "...for His seed remains in him and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God (born again, born of water and of spirit, God's Holy Spirit in Him). :)

James 2:23 "And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and, it was accounted to Him for righteousness. And he was called a friend of God."
 
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GreenNnice

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Faith without works is not real faith. I think some just want a belief system or a 'systematic theology' at best but do not want to live out what the Bible teaches. God cannot contradict himself. He has a standard, its a universal standard for all Christians. We come to God on his terms,and only on his terms. We cannot come with 'Option B' and expect him to honor that.
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Works come as a result of faith. Abraham was told by God to sacrifice, his son, Isaac. And, Rahab was told by God to hide the two spies, Caleb, I think was one and who was the other. Where is 'Joshua' when I need him :D
It's important to note that by grace we are saved. Because God gave us His Son's death on the cross, we have been delivered from our sins. And, Christ was raised so that we could be justified for the evil that we did, remember, we WERE 'enemies of God' before God changed everything by giving us His Son. :)

Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.'


The Lord led Abraham, Rahab, and, He is leading you now too and will lead you all the way to Him, seeing the glory of His face, in person. :)
 
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People we must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved.
 
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