some things from paul that many omit

[sevenseas]

Come preaching repentance and faith proven by deeds from a sincere heart of love having no guile like Jeremiah, and John the baptizer did into a world of pitch black darkness and you will find out what I mean..

So do you consider yourself a prophet preaching repentance in a pitch black darkness?

Jesus said He is a light come into this world. His words do not reflect your sentiments.

It seems you may be judging and meting out condemnation.

We should preach Jesus. He is the light of this world. Maybe, just maybe, that is something you should consider. The sin in this world is not your burden.

Your response is cryptic and not precise so perhaps you are just complaining about how your message, if you have one, is received.

You have not really answered my question other than to indicate that you believe you have evolved into a somewhat higher plain of understanding than the rest of us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

a few thoughts.

1. No one born of God continues in sin (the apostle John)
2. Everyone who is saved, has been created for good works (paul)

the notion that grace teaches one can be saved, and live however they want is not a notion found in scripture.. Grace does not teach this.

Grace teaches we all have sinned and fall short. are falling short. and will fall short of the glory (standard) set by God. And that standard is perfection. For this reason, we will every minute of every day be in need of grace to save us.

 

[Hizikyah]

Malachi 3
1, “See, I am sending My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. Then suddenly the Master you are seeking comes to His Hĕḵal, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. See, He is coming,” said יהוה of hosts.
2, “And who is able to bear the day of His coming, and who is able to stand when He appears? For He is like the fire of a refiner, and like the soap of a launderer.
3, “And He shall sit as a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He shall cleanse the sons of Lĕwi, and refine them as gold and silver, and they shall belong to יהוה, bringing near an offering in righteousness.
4, “Then shall the offering of Yehuḏah and Yerushalayim be pleasant to יהוה, as in the days of old, as in former years.
5, “And I shall draw near to you for right-ruling. And I shall be a swift witness against the practisers of witchcraft, and against adulterers, and against them that swear to falsehood, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages and widows and the fatherless, and those who turn away a sojourner and do not fear Me,” said יהוה of hosts.
6, “For I am יהוה, I shall not change,a and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. Footnote: aJas 1:17.
7, “From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from My laws and did not guard them. Turn back to Me, and I shall turn back to you,” said יהוה of hosts. “But you said, ‘In what shall we turn back?’
8, “Would a man rob Yah? Yet you are robbing Me! But you said, ‘In what have we robbed You?’ In the tithe and the offering!
9, “You have cursed Me with a curse, for you are robbing Me, this nation, all of it!
10, “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, and let there be food in My house. And please prove Me in this,” said יהוה of hosts, “whether I do not open for you the windows of the heavens, and shall pour out for you boundless blessing!
11, “And I shall rebuke the devourer for you, so that it does not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor does the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,” said יהוה of hosts.
12, “And all nations shall call you blessed, for you shall be a land of delight,” said יהוה of hosts.
13, “Your words have been strong against Me,” said יהוה, “but you have said, ‘What have we spoken against You?’
14, “You have said, ‘It is worthless to serve Yah. And what did we gain when we guarded His Charge, and when we walked as mourners before יהוה of hosts?
15, And now we are calling the proud blessed – not only are the doers of wrongness built up, but they also try Yah and escape.’ ”
16, Then shall those who fear יהוה speak to one another, and יהוה listens and hears, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear יהוה, and those who think upon His Name.
17, “And they shall be Mine,” said יהוה of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him.
18, “Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wrong, between one who serves Yah and one who does not serve Him.

 

[followjesus]

I don't follow what you are saying here. Are you saying the gospel is given in lieu of the commandments?

Also, did you make a mistake saying the idea is not from God. Did you maybe mean to say the idea is from God?

How can nations be obedient to the gospel ?

Please help me to understand what you are saying

"I don't follow what you are saying here. Are you saying the gospel is given in lieu of the commandments? "

The gospel is not just Jesus died and rose again thats what im saying, the gospel rather is the ministry of Jesus, His Life, death and resurrection, and also His ascention to the throne. the 10 commandments themselves are eternally valid as Gods Moral standard they will always apply. The gospel is not simply " Jesus died for our sins, and rose again" The gospel was what Jesus preached to the People. There are 2 testaments, 2 covenants One is between God and isreal, it was Goiven through a mediator, Moses. The Gospel is given through Jesus, who is the mediator between God and man in the new covenant. Christians are those who believe in Jesus, not only do we believe Jesus existed, died for our forgiveness, and was raised again, But we accept Jesus as the Lord as well.

"Also, did you make a mistake saying the idea is not from God. Did you maybe mean to say the idea is from God?"

No absolutely no mistake the idea that because we believe in Jesus, that means we then dont need to repent of our sin, and learn and obey His word is not from God. The idea that faith, means we dont have to actually do what God is saying we are to do , is a distortion. Faith is the reason we DO repent and obey God.

"How can nations be obedient to the gospel ?"

the gospel is the teachings, commands, principles of Jesus mnistry, His death and resurrection are certainly a part of the gospel, equally so is His ministry. and im not sure i get this question....How does someone obey the gospel? the same way we obey anything, we learn and do what we are taught. The Bible is a lesson book, meant to know, nelieve and apply to Life rather than something we just believe and go on living our lives as if nothing applies to us because we believe its true....

Things Jesus said like this are every bit as much the gospel as His death and resurrection. This is what the one who we all have or "faith" in, said just before He was arrested, this after His ministry after speaking the true Judgements of God.

john 14:15-26 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me NOT KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: and the word which ye hear is NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHERS WICH SENT ME.25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

its not about moses commands, But the teachings, or sayings, or words of Jesus Christ. and just after His resurrection He came and said this regarding the world

matthew 28:18-20 "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


the gospel is about the things Jesus taught His disciples in the 4 "gospels" and then after His resurrection told them " Go teach the world, the things i have taught you, teach them the same things i taught you"


Hope this helps you understand what im saying

 

[followjesus]

a few thoughts.

1. No one born of God continues in sin (the apostle John)
2. Everyone who is saved, has been created for good works (paul)

the notion that grace teaches one can be saved, and live however they want is not a notion found in scripture.. Grace does not teach this.

Grace teaches we all have sinned and fall short. are falling short. and will fall short of the glory (standard) set by God. And that standard is perfection. For this reason, we will every minute of every day be in need of grace to save us.

agreed. And do we only recieve grace? or is it also something Jesus teaches us to give to others? regarding things like " if someone sins against you and repents, forgive them, because God forgave us so much more. forgiveness has to be by Grace because once you do a wrong to someone, you cant then go back and undo it, all you can do is repent " stop doing what it was that you did to offend them) and ask thier forgiveness.

forgiveness cannot be earned, it has to be given freely because of the grace in a heart. Good post, God bless

 

[followjesus]

I hear you followjesus,for Paul always stated to abstain from sin,by being led of the Spirit.A Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and Paul said if he does not keep under his body,which is to abstain from sin,he would be a castaway.

But let me put it like this.

Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

People believe what they want to believe,and if they will not hear the words of Paul when he said,abstain from sin being led of the Spirit,they will not believe even if one rose from the dead and told them.

They only care about the scriptures that appear to give then a relaxed walk with God,which Paul was not trying to convey that,for Paul said,we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,the moral laws,abstain from sins of the flesh,and a Spirit led life will abstain from sin,and if not they are not of Christ.

indeed. regarding a spirit led Life

john 3:5-6"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

john 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

john 14:23-26"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

Paul.....Live by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh" .....Jesus ""It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

1 Peter 1:22-23" Seeing ye have purified your souls in OBEYING THE TRUTH THROUGH THE SPIRIT unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the WORD OF GOD WHICH LIVETH AND ABIDETH FOREVER"

john 17:7-8 "Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8For I have given unto them the WORDS which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me"

 

[followjesus]

The last statement clarifies your false teaching, because it reveals the false premise on which all your false conclusions are drawn:

The Gospel was NOT given to all nations to bring them into obedience, the Gospel was given to all nations to offer LIFE to all mankind.


The last passage you quoted shows clearly:

25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— 27 to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen. (from Rom. 16)​

Neither that nor any of the other passages you use above state that believers in Christ are to be brought to obedience to Old Covenant Law! Not one.

Furthermore, New Covenant Scriptures state elsewhere that the Law is not of faith (Gal. 3), and that without faith, it is impossible to please God (Heb. 11).

You are pointing to that which God, in His New Covenant Scriptures, does not point to, and that is the Old Covenant. No - He has provided for a New Covenant, built on better promises, with a Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood in Christ.

Let go of the Old; take hold of the New \o/! The New is about obedience of faith which results in the Fruit of God (see Gal. 5:18-25), where the Old is about obedience to Law which results in the arousing of sinful passions (see Rom. 7:1-6).


-JGIG

okay well thanks for clarifying my " false teaching" God bless

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrew 5:9, "And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting deliverance to all those obeying Him."[/FONT]

 

[Grace777x70]

Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living.

Notice here that even the law-keeping priests need to be "obedient to the faith". The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.

Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,


All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.

Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

 

[FreeNChrist]

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."


Mat 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”


Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

And now make sure you do not miss the Cross and all that God changed through it. Under the new covenant we are not called to "things", we are called to a living Person. Our belief is in Christ, or we are an unbeliever. Our faith is in the living Christ, or our faith is dead. And our obedience is to the indwelling Spirit of Christ, or we are disobedient.

 

[followjesus]

There is really no ""LOL"concerning the matter...You seem to think that I said there was no forgives for sin...I did not say that,I said there is no payment for sin. (a big difference)......A debt paid for cannot be forgiven, thus Jesus paid no sin debt, However He offered Himself up as a blameless spotless Lamb on your behalf..By doing so He more than justified God's mercy and forgiveness for your sins.......Thomas Aquinas invented satisfaction atonement, and 300 years later Martin Luther invented Penal Substitution and payment for sin. Whereas the bible teaches Ransom and conditional covenant.. This truth is all but lost and forgotten in the last 500 years....

".Knowing this first; there is NO payment for sin, a debt paid for can in no wise be forgiven..."

Jesus forgave People before He paid any price. several times in the gospel. i agree with some of the things in your statements, others not so much, but you have as much right to believe the things you believe as anyone else.

I think you are missing a bit about forgiveness. if Jesus paid the price to satisfy the justice requirement in the Law of moses and He did, He still forgave you is my point. you were forgiven by the one who paid the cost is what im saying. and as far as imputation of righteousness goes, it is imputed through those who believe the gospel. the gospel meaning the 4 gospels and all Jesus said and did. if we take to heart His words, righteousness comes to the heart and mind and leads to the actions. forgiveness by its very nature, has to come by Grace. if i slap you, and then repent and ay man im so sorry i was totally wrong to do that. that doesnt earn forgiveness, forgiveness is somrthing that you have to give freely because of the grace that is in the Heart of the Gospel.


please dont think that i am saying grace excuses ongoing sin, But Grace was the only way mankind could ever be saved, because the wholeworld was already locked up a prisoner to sin according to the mosaic Law. if God hadnt shown His grace yet again to mankind, and forgiven us through Jesus, there was no hope of reconciliation. God has always been gracious, and man has always rebelled against Him.....Jesus changes that in us through His spirit. and His spirit comes through believing The truth He brought, and because we believe we do. just like noah

hebrews 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."

Noah wasnt saved because he said i believe you lord..He was saved because He really did believe God, and because He really believed God, of course He is going to do what the Almighty God says to do. that is the righteousness of faith. its why James says " faith without works is dead" had noah believed and then said well im not actually gonna do what God said.......the story turns out very different for noah.


sometimes people speak to intellectually for me, and honestly i may be misunderstanding what you are saying. im not an intellectual , or a great mind, or an educated person....I just pray and study the word alot with a desire to understand...sorry if i misunderstood ya. God bless,

I would be careful about judging people like billy graham tho just a thought....

 

[Hizikyah]

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."


Mat 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”


Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

And now make sure you do not miss the Cross and all that God changed through it. Under the new covenant we are not called to "things", we are called to a living Person. Our belief is in Christ, or we are an unbeliever. Our faith is in the living Christ, or our faith is dead. And our obedience is to the indwelling Spirit of Christ, or we are disobedient.

Hmmm, so whats going on here... are you arguing against Scripture? or are you seeking to paste your false views of me, upon me with no solicitation?

So what was wrong with the verses I posted?

DO you believe them to be true?

 

[Stephen63]

The last statement clarifies your false teaching, because it reveals the false premise on which all your false conclusions are drawn:

The Gospel was NOT given to all nations to bring them into obedience, the Gospel was given to all nations to offer LIFE to all mankind.


The last passage you quoted shows clearly:

25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26 but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— 27 to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen. (from Rom. 16)​

Neither that nor any of the other passages you use above state that believers in Christ are to be brought to obedience to Old Covenant Law! Not one.

Furthermore, New Covenant Scriptures state elsewhere that the Law is not of faith (Gal. 3), and that without faith, it is impossible to please God (Heb. 11).

You are pointing to that which God, in His New Covenant Scriptures, does not point to, and that is the Old Covenant. No - He has provided for a New Covenant, built on better promises, with a Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood in Christ.

Let go of the Old; take hold of the New \o/! The New is about obedience of faith which results in the Fruit of God (see Gal. 5:18-25), where the Old is about obedience to Law which results in the arousing of sinful passions (see Rom. 7:1-6).


-JGIG

OK, everyone, gather around, & look at this post & what JGIG is really doing.
She claims followjesus is talking about OT Law. He did not say that. He did say obedience, but not to the OT Law. He's talking about being obedient to Christ, the law of Christ.

And JGIG knew that before she posted this.

So what is she really doing? She's trying to spin his statement to mean Law to discredit him, on purpose, of course.

When someone does that, make no mistake about it, it is bad fruit & wickedness to explain away the truth that's destroying what else?..... hyper-grace doctrine.

What am I doing? Exposing deceivers, liars, & twisters of the truth. You see, JGIG is smart, I give her credit for that. It's because she's so smart one can conclude her statement is no accident.

Folks really ought to investigate what's going on before they judge someone for being a hater when actually they're an exposer.

Eph5:11
New International Version
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

New Living Translation
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.

English Standard Version
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Berean Study Bible
Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Berean Literal Bible
And do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even expose them.

New American Standard Bible
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

 

[FreeNChrist]

Hmmm, so whats going on here... are you arguing against Scripture? or are you seeking to paste your false views of me, upon me with no solicitation?

So what was wrong with the verses I posted?

DO you believe them to be true?

I'm saying you need to keep reading.

 

[Stephen63]

][/FONT]Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living.

Notice here that even the law-keeping priests need to be "obedient to the faith". The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".

Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.


Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.

Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,


All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.

Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;

Make a statement that says something false, then quote scripture that "seems" to prove it.

New International Version
and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

New Living Translation
In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him.

English Standard Version
And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

Berean Study Bible
and having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him

Berean Literal Bible
and having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all those obeying Him,

New American Standard Bible
And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

Doing what Jesus said to do is obedience to Christ. I can't imaging getting anything else outta that.....

 

[Hizikyah]

I'm saying you need to keep reading.

Isayah 34:16, "Search from the book of יהוה, and read: not one of these shall be missing, not one shall be without a mate, for He has commanded my mouth. And His Spirit shall gather them."

Psalm 119:160, "The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever."

Hebrews 4:12, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

 

[Grace777x70]

We need to rightly divide the word of God including what Jesus said with His finished work on the cross. Jesus told a man to go show himself to the priest when he was healed. Do we do that today? of course not.

Jesus also said for a person to go and sell all that he had and give it to the poor. Do we do that now too? Of course not. But He may by the Holy Spirit within us one day say that but to just take a command to someone else and then apply it to others is not how we walk by the Spirit today.

Do we cut off our hands or gouge our eyes if they sin now? Jesus said to do it.

Obeying Jesus' words need to be filtered as all scripture to whom He was speaking to at the time. Jesus also spoke through the apostle Paul and said that we Christians have died to the Law, have been released from the Law and not under the Law of Moses anymore. These are just as much obeying Jesus as any other scripture is.

Obeying Jesus is believing in all that He has done for us at the cross and resurrection. John 3:16 is to be believed. Right believing will release the life of Christ in us for right living by the Spirit within us now to manifest His love and grace towards others that need to know Him for who He truly is.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Isayah 34:16, "Search from the book of יהוה, and read: not one of these shall be missing, not one shall be without a mate, for He has commanded my mouth. And His Spirit shall gather them."

Psalm 119:160, "The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever."

Hebrews 4:12, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

Two steps backwards, one step forward. The new interprets the old. Reverse that and you will never get anywhere.

 

[sevenseas]

"I don't follow what you are saying here. Are you saying the gospel is given in lieu of the commandments? "

The gospel is not just Jesus died and rose again thats what im saying, the gospel rather is the ministry of Jesus, His Life, death and resurrection, and also His ascention to the throne. the 10 commandments themselves are eternally valid as Gods Moral standard they will always apply. The gospel is not simply " Jesus died for our sins, and rose again" The gospel was what Jesus preached to the People. There are 2 testaments, 2 covenants One is between God and isreal, it was Goiven through a mediator, Moses. The Gospel is given through Jesus, who is the mediator between God and man in the new covenant. Christians are those who believe in Jesus, not only do we believe Jesus existed, died for our forgiveness, and was raised again, But we accept Jesus as the Lord as well.

"Also, did you make a mistake saying the idea is not from God. Did you maybe mean to say the idea is from God?"

No absolutely no mistake the idea that because we believe in Jesus, that means we then dont need to repent of our sin, and learn and obey His word is not from God. The idea that faith, means we dont have to actually do what God is saying we are to do , is a distortion. Faith is the reason we DO repent and obey God.

"How can nations be obedient to the gospel ?"

the gospel is the teachings, commands, principles of Jesus mnistry, His death and resurrection are certainly a part of the gospel, equally so is His ministry. and im not sure i get this question....How does someone obey the gospel? the same way we obey anything, we learn and do what we are taught. The Bible is a lesson book, meant to know, nelieve and apply to Life rather than something we just believe and go on living our lives as if nothing applies to us because we believe its true....

Things Jesus said like this are every bit as much the gospel as His death and resurrection. This is what the one who we all have or "faith" in, said just before He was arrested, this after His ministry after speaking the true Judgements of God.

john 14:15-26 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, HE WILL KEEP MY WORDS: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me NOT KEEPETH NOT MY SAYINGS: and the word which ye hear is NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHERS WICH SENT ME.25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

its not about moses commands, But the teachings, or sayings, or words of Jesus Christ. and just after His resurrection He came and said this regarding the world

matthew 28:18-20 "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."


the gospel is about the things Jesus taught His disciples in the 4 "gospels" and then after His resurrection told them " Go teach the world, the things i have taught you, teach them the same things i taught you"


Hope this helps you understand what im saying

Actually, the gospel can be summed up very quickly as the teaching and revelation of Jesus. That, is why the first 4 books of the New Testament are called the gospels.

There are both recorded events and teaching in the New Testament as well as quite a bit of correction. The conduct of a person throughout their day is not the gospel as you seem to be trying to state.

Behavior does not modify our standing before God. You are mistaken in this if that is what you are saying.

This seems to be an endless debate around here and a waste of time at least for me.

Our standing in Christ is achieved the moment we receive Him as our Savior. The process of becoming what God says we are is a lifetime achievement award and God determines that.

So yes, I understand you, but I think you are mixing and matching what appeals to your own sense of justification.

This is a sad error and an awful lot of energy is spent for nothing as no amount of good behavior will ever create what God calls righteousness.