some things from paul that many omit

[PeterJens]

Projected anger

When I share, especially with fellow believers I expect a friendly acceptance, as we come
from the same fellowship and group of faith.

But when I am attacked, down trodden, dealt with as like a defilement, full of hatred and
malice, it does at first raise in me a response. At first I thought my emotional response was
a reaction to the people themselves, until I saw it was merely the disappointment and false
trust I had put in a group who where not my brothers and sisters, but truly saw me as an
enemy.

And part of their strategy is a way of deception, to provoke a strong response and then
blame the other side for hating them, while they appear as innocent victims. This is how the
enemy always works.

But I simply say, I praise my God and King, the Lord of all, that He has
blessed me in the heavenly realms and transformed my life in Him.

God bless you all, Peter.

 

[Grace777x70]

In order to keep the malice, lies and slander down to minimum again - I have posted over 30x times that I believe in "hyper-repenting".

We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us. This involvers Christ's finished work for us on the cross and resurrection which includes us on the cross with Him and in His resurrection also.

There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having already repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.

The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ.

This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.

The true meaning of repenting is changing our mind as we learn new aspects of God's love and grace towards us in Christ...and Yes - this means how we view sinning of all it's forms - including malice, slandering of others in the body of Christ as well as all the other works of the flesh - including all sexual immorality.

 

[PeterJens]

Repentance

The sign of Jonah
Jonah swallowed by a whale, spat out with a message to Nineveh to repent because of their
evil behaviour or be judged.

Their response was to repent, wear sack cloth and ashes to show remorse and sorrow for
the sin they had commited and God forgave them and did not judge them.

And this is the sign of Christ to a fallen world.

"I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:22

But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
Ezek 18:21-22

But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Ezek 18:24

This is true repentance.

 

[followjesus]

These non-discussions do become miss-leading.
What G7 is saying is literally nonsense.

No law - no judgement, no sin
Condemnation - a sense of total failure and need
Christ does it all - obedience is just a gift to God, not necessary
No repentance - nothing to get right, God has already done it all and forgiven everything
Faith - a one off event that seals us forever in God

A believers walk
The cross - brings forgiveness and love to our hearts, new birth
Repentance & confession - a way to resolve failure and transform our hearts
love - The power that drives us deeper into Christ and serving others
Faith - We are counted righteous, friends of Christ as we walk in obedience
Word - Dwelling on the word of God renews our spirits in the way
Holy Spirit - Our inner fellowship and communion with the living God

A lot of contradictions and lies are spoken about what people actually believe.
If you have no law then you have no sin.
But if there is no sin, why is there such a strong sense of condemnation and lostness?

And if there is no need of repentance, why are people continually repenting and confessing
sin which does not exist and getting themselves right with God?

The false teaching being shared simply does not match up with the spiritual reality in peoples
lives, or with scripture. It is mirage theology which is used to excuse failure and attack
believers in Christ who are following their Lord while maintaining this sense of indignation and
anger which I have witnessed often.

The real unbelief is expressed by those who deny the very sin they are doing, getting right
with God, allowing Him into their hearts and being honest with their own emotional and spiritual
needs while claiming great spiritual authority and inspiration of the Holy Spirit and of the Word.

Put simply, they cannot be right. They are not living according to their own beliefs, but the
combination of ideas appears to keep them happy though it will decay and run away before the
Lord of hosts.

A believers walk
The cross - brings forgiveness and love to our hearts, new birth
Repentance & confession - a way to resolve failure and transform our hearts
love - The power that drives us deeper into Christ and serving others
Faith - We are counted righteous, friends of Christ as we walk in obedience
Word - Dwelling on the word of God renews our spirits in the way
Holy Spirit - Our inner fellowship and communion with the living God

thats good stuff peter, God didnt give us scripture so we can deny everything but what we feel or think is acceptable, some folks want to change Gods word rather than being changed by it. a person who sins without consience has been led astray by the enemy. Hopefully at some point God will reach and remove the blindfold and touch thier heart.

 

[followjesus]

Projected anger

When I share, especially with fellow believers I expect a friendly acceptance, as we come
from the same fellowship and group of faith.

But when I am attacked, down trodden, dealt with as like a defilement, full of hatred and
malice, it does at first raise in me a response. At first I thought my emotional response was
a reaction to the people themselves, until I saw it was merely the disappointment and false
trust I had put in a group who where not my brothers and sisters, but truly saw me as an
enemy.

And part of their strategy is a way of deception, to provoke a strong response and then
blame the other side for hating them, while they appear as innocent victims. This is how the
enemy always works.

But I simply say, I praise my God and King, the Lord of all, that He has
blessed me in the heavenly realms and transformed my life in Him.

God bless you all, Peter.

ill always accept you as a brother peter, sometimes we disagree but i really have never saw you stoop to some of the places others go. you are exactly right in your observation. they have nothing to thoier doctrine to actually hold a discussion, and in my experience it happens the same way. for instance fic, and g7 somehow always return to ops for the purpose of arguing, they rarely even acknowledge the op, and every time begin with the same theories same scriptures, once scriptures are given to them that actually end the argument, then yu have insulted them, you have slandered them, your a hostile badguy because you actually believe the word over what they are saying. ive gotten tothe point i block most of that group because for close to a year its been the same exact debate. the same strategy, the same outcome.

I dont even bother letting it upset me anymore, if you disagree and have good scriptural support though then you are a hostile lol

ive advised them on several occasions to follow pauls instructions about a devisive brother since thats thier label for me, paul says clearly HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT GUY. i encourage the grace alone folks to boycott my ops, and loooong ago i stopped approachng thiers for the purpose of avoiding the repetitive arguments knowing the outcome beforehand, but for whatever reason they keep on returning to my ops, with the same nonsense

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so I conclude there is no one you can point me to? no thread in which people here have said salvation means keep on sinning?

you might just have said that instead of spinning your wheels for nothing





who is Joseph Prince and how does someone believe in him?

I basically just got here and I am trying to get a sense of things and it seems I keep running into blowhards who like to blast others

you don't have the common sense to discuss things without accusing

you cannot point me to anyone here or a thread that would validate what you are saying

I think I understand that now

you sure do get in a huff in a hurry and over nothing LOL!

welcome to CC..lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems asking a question is against their 'law'

What a mashup of the Bible and then presented as the gospel

The hostility is real!

asking questions and disagreeing with some people can bring about the wrath of God (well at least those people think it is Gods wrath and not theirs)

 

[Stephen63]

IMO what G777 just posted about members killing you should be a bannable offense! Killing? Really? I have heard all kinds of insults from trolls, but never that someone on CC would kill you if they were allowed.

Thanks G777 for those sweet, tender words of yours that are so edifying.

Sometimes it's just best to ignore these types as malice has a hold of them. They will distort what is being said to make it appear to be something else. Now you too are a heretic...lol...religion is so much fun! - But they would kill you if they were allowed to.

I advise to just ignore these types and leave them in the hands of the Lord. He will be faithful to them to reveal His Son - our Lord to them. The love and grace of God in Christ will be revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Stephen63]

It seems asking a question is against their 'law'

What a mashup of the Bible and then presented as the gospel

The hostility is real!

I was wondering..... who is the "they" of "their law" you're talking about? I've only seen you go back & forth with one person.

Who were the others?

 

[followjesus]

IMO what G777 just posted about members killing you should be a bannable offense! Killing? Really? I have heard all kinds of insults from trolls, but never that someone on CC would kill you if they were allowed.

Thanks G777 for those sweet, tender words of yours that are so edifying.

Naw, ignorance is ignorance, BUT doesnt it remind you of how the teachers of the law felt about the Lord? crucify him, crucify him!! its Just the fulfillment of what He said, and a blessing to whomever they insult for holding to the actual gospel. all they really can do is accuse because they have no support for the theories they imagine.

matthew 5:11-12 "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be EXCEEDINGLY GLAD: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."

the blessings are always appreciated. The word is hated by the world because it says " change" it testifies to the believer that they need repentance which is a great thing, but when theres no condition repentance becomes a bad word, obedience becomes reviled " work" laying down self for the sake of those with needs becomes nonsense" false doctrine is powerful stuff, but not as powerful as Gods word.

 

[Stephen63]

Projected anger

When I share, especially with fellow believers I expect a friendly acceptance, as we come
from the same fellowship and group of faith.

But when I am attacked, down trodden, dealt with as like a defilement, full of hatred and
malice, it does at first raise in me a response. At first I thought my emotional response was
a reaction to the people themselves, until I saw it was merely the disappointment and false
trust I had put in a group who where not my brothers and sisters, but truly saw me as an
enemy.

And part of their strategy is a way of deception, to provoke a strong response and then
blame the other side for hating them, while they appear as innocent victims. This is how the
enemy always works.

But I simply say, I praise my God and King, the Lord of all, that He has
blessed me in the heavenly realms and transformed my life in Him.

God bless you all, Peter.

Spot on, PJ.

 

[Stephen63]

In order to keep the malice, lies and slander down to minimum again - I have posted over 30x times that I believe in "hyper-repenting".

We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us. This involvers Christ's finished work for us on the cross and resurrection which includes us on the cross with Him and in His resurrection also.

There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having already repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.

The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ.

This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.

The true meaning of repenting is changing our mind as we learn new aspects of God's love and grace towards us in Christ...and Yes - this means how we view sinning of all it's forms - including malice, slandering of others in the body of Christ as well as all the other works of the flesh - including all sexual immorality.

For clarification, hyper-repenting is what some do that believe in Hyper-grace. It's not true repentance.

 

[Stephen63]

Naw, ignorance is ignorance, BUT doesnt it remind you of how the teachers of the law felt about the Lord? crucify him, crucify him!! its Just the fulfillment of what He said, and a blessing to whomever they insult for holding to the actual gospel. all they really can do is accuse because they have no support for the theories they imagine.

matthew 5:11-12 "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12Rejoice, and be EXCEEDINGLY GLAD: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."

the blessings are always appreciated. The word is hated by the world because it says " change" it testifies to the believer that they need repentance which is a great thing, but when theres no condition repentance becomes a bad word, obedience becomes reviled " work" laying down self for the sake of those with needs becomes nonsense" false doctrine is powerful stuff, but not as powerful as Gods word.

I agree with most of what you said, except the "ignorance" part.

People like G777 are not ignorant at all. They know exactly what they're doing.

False doctrine like his isn't small potatoes, but in direct rebellion with what the Bible teaches, making him in direct rebellion with God.

As soon as he repents of his teachings the biblical way he & I could be good friends.

But until then, his deeds will be exposed for all to see.

Don't worry, G777..... I'm not one of those who would kill you if I was allowed.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sometimes it's just best to ignore these types as malice has a hold of them. They will distort what is being said to make it appear to be something else. Now you too are a heretic...lol...religion is so much fun! - But they would kill you if they were allowed to.

I advise to just ignore these types and leave them in the hands of the Lord. He will be faithful to them to reveal His Son - our Lord to them. The love and grace of God in Christ will be revealed to them by the Holy Spirit.

I totally agree with what I wrote in brown above....religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

All through the history of the church - religious zealots have attacked and persecuted those that stood for the Lord Jesus Christ. They have killed them because they dared to confront their religious beliefs.

Look at Martin Luther - the established church of his day wanted to kill him because he said "The just shall live by faith".

Religion is always at odds against Christ - this is why Paul was persecuted by his "Jewish brethren". They tried to kill him many times by stoning him, beating with rods, being whipped 39 times multiple times.

Here is Acts - Paul - known as Saul was at a point of his brethren trying to kill him because he stood for Jesus and What Jesus has done..

Acts 9:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him,

Make no mistake about it - religious zeal will try to kill those that stand for all that the Lord Jesus Christ has done. Religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Stephen63]

I totally agree with what I wrote in brown above....religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ

Religion is always at odds against Christ - this is why Paul was persecuted by his "Jewish brethren". They tried to kill him many times by stoning him, beating with rods, being whipped 39 times multiple times.

Here is Acts - Paul - known as Saul was at a point of his brethren trying to kill him because he stood for Jesus and What Jesus has done..

Acts 9:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him,

Make no mistake about it - religious zeal will try to kill those that stand for all that the Lord Jesus Christ has done. Religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sorry, ole buddy, you can'y crawl outta that one.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I totally agree with what I wrote in brown above....religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

All through the history of the church - religious zealots have attacked and persecuted those that stood for the Lord Jesus Christ. They have killed them because they dared to confront their religious beliefs.

Look at Martin Luther - the established church of his day wanted to kill him because he said "The just shall live by faith".

Religion is always at odds against Christ - this is why Paul was persecuted by his "Jewish brethren". They tried to kill him many times by stoning him, beating with rods, being whipped 39 times multiple times.

Here is Acts - Paul - known as Saul was at a point of his brethren trying to kill him because he stood for Jesus and What Jesus has done..

Acts 9:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But Saul kept increasing in strength and confounding the Jews who lived at Damascus by proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

[SUP]23 [/SUP] When many days had elapsed, the Jews plotted together to do away with him,

Make no mistake about it - religious zeal will try to kill those that stand for all that the Lord Jesus Christ has done. Religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

don't let it get to ya.. They are just looking for a reason that's why they never understand what we say. let them report. if we have done nothing wrong, we have nothing to worry about.

 

[Grace777x70]

don't let it get to ya.. They are just looking for a reason that's why they never understand what we say. let them report. if we have done nothing wrong, we have nothing to worry about.

I know. I take it as a good sign...All is well....

Just for the fun of it - goggle some time how the church persecuted itself because someone believed differently then they did in an area. Martin Luther suffered at the hands of the "Christians" of his day as have many thousands of others throughout our church history.

Make no mistake about it - the "Christians " of Luther's day tried to kill him because it was half-way legal then. They have killed many other of our brethren throughout history too in their religious zeal. Religion is an enemy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is Gal. 4 coming to life and being manifested. Those living by faith in Christ's finished work - which is the son of the promise - will be persecuted by those living by the flesh. The religious spirit is ruthless. It's a gimmie and we fully expect it....we just bless them and leave them in the Lord's hands.

Galatians 4:28-31 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise.

[SUP]29 [/SUP] But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.

[SUP]30 [/SUP] But what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN."

[SUP]31 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

 

[sevenseas]

Welcome to the jungle, sevenseas.

Great. Guess what song is now playing between my ears?

I'll try to stick to the upper levels of the canopy

 

[sevenseas]

welcome to CC..lol

I asked questions. Must be a used car salesman. Better not kick the tires

 

[sevenseas]

I was wondering..... who is the "they" of "their law" you're talking about? I've only seen you go back & forth with one person.

Who were the others?

Do you offer first aid?

it was another thread.

I asked questions in that one too and pointed out that scripture stated otherwise then what they said and then fire and lighting rained down but probably not from heaven