Spiritual or Literal Temple

[eternally-gratefull]

I see it this way also and you brought up a good point at the end. False Christianity propagating a literal temple. Do you think a false temple would be considered "the temple of God" in the bible? In other words could 2 Thes 2 be talking about this false temple?

So you did not want to know if it was literal vs a spiritual temple at all,, Your question was misleading

 

[stonesoffire]

Spiritually the man of sin could be Adam. Which we all are born into. True?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Spiritually the man of sin could be Adam. Which we all are born into. True?

Adam was never prophesied to come in the future, enter the temple of God, and claim himself to be god (see Daniels prophesies)

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Literal....

 

[JesusRules1]

Is this the spiritual temple (us) or a literal temple (building)? Use scripture to prove either way if possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The wording of the scriptures testify that it is a literal temple,for it tells of the man of sin,the son of perdition,who is a man,a human,which also Judas Iscariot is known as the son of perdition,and this human steps in to the temple,and claims to be God,so it has to be a literal temple for a man cannot sit in us,let alone sit in more than one person.

Also he steps in to the temple of God,showing that he is God,which a person that is not saved is not a temple of God,for only the saints are a temple of God,so how can any person even if spiritual sit in them when they are right with God,and he exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped,which this would have to be a claim that can be seen by people,which the Bible says the last king will not acknowledge the God of his fathers,but in his estate he will honor the God of forces,and a God his fathers knew not,and will not regard any god,but magnify himself above all,which would have to be a human person in visible form to people.

The way the scriptures is worded it has to be a literal temple,which a man steps in to the temple and claims to be God,which he has gained the most power through nature than any other person will attain,and there is no personal God,so he is top dog,and he gets his power from Satan and deceives all who do not love God,which the first people he wants to deceive is the Jews,which they went back to animal sacrifices and he stepped in their temple and told them to stop,and he is their God and Messiah.

 

[dcontroversal]

Is this the spiritual temple (us) or a literal temple (building)? Use scripture to prove either way if possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The first two verses of the context were left out....The Body presence of Christ and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER unto him.....THAT DAY shall not COME until.....

a) THAT man of SIN is revealed as God sitting in the temple of God claiming to be GOD
b) The APO-HYSTAMIE takes place

the two coincide with each other.....and the delusion that God sends against ALL who will not receive the LOVE of the truth......

SO......ANYONE see this YET?

I think it is a literal temple.....And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

[trofimus]

I see it this way also and you brought up a good point at the end. False Christianity propagating a literal temple. Do you think a false temple would be considered "the temple of God" in the bible? In other words could 2 Thes 2 be talking about this false temple?

I think its about the spiritual one (the church), but this spiritual one can be somehow merged with the physical temple in Jerusalem. False Christianity will invent also a false temple.

But I do not think the physical one was meant by Paul in this specific verse. The real deal is with the spiritual one. The physical one is something in the background, not important.

If Paul said "he will sit in the temple" I would say it is a physical one.

But because he said "he will sit in the temple of God", it must be the church. Because there is no other temple of God till the Earth and the Heavens will last. Any possible Jewish temple will not be the temple of God.

 

[Blik]

Was not the veil rent revealing Christ had come in the flesh according to his one time promise?

What would be the purpose of building another literal temple seeing we know longer know Christ after the flesh, as that seen.God is still not a man as us. The one time demonstration is over.. Why would we need to crucify him over and over exposing Him to public shame as if once was not enough?

Our Lord is not a one-dimensional god, there are layers of meaning in all scripture. We are given literal to relate to the spiritual. There are many layers of meaning.

When the veil was split it signified that there were many changes in the world, but not the one you tell of. Christ became our priest with access to the heart of God, no longer the priest who was restricted in his access. The saints came out of their sleep and were seen by men.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

The corresponding Chapter to 2 Thess 2 is Luke 18 where Jesus spoke about the same subject:

8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?


Paul clues us into that really:

5 [FONT=&quot]Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ah yes, when you were with us.....

Luke 18 contains a parable about an unjust judge....clue (judges were Levites)...and a direct message to:

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

[/FONT][FONT=&quot](Wonder who he meant?)

Followed by a parable about a Pharisee who liked to exalt himself, and a tax collector who abased himself..

They both [/FONT][FONT=&quot]"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]went up into the temple to pray"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[stonesoffire]

Adam was never prophesied to come in the future, enter the temple of God, and claim himself to be god (see Daniels prophesies)

You misunderstand what I am saying. The spiritual man of sin would be our adamic nature and the ego sitting on the throne of our heart until he is circumcised off...talking about spiritual not literal.

But, I wont debate this. Not confident enough to do it.

 

[MattTooFor]

Is this the spiritual temple (us) or a literal temple (building)? Use scripture to prove either way if possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

First of all, yes a literal man would need a literal temple to sit in. (And by the way, I apologize for being a newbie - I have resolved in the year 2017 to participate in a couple of these Christian discussion boards!)

But secondly, any temple built up to the time of the arrival of the "man of sin" could not possibly have any biblical validity. Jewish religious practices have been invalidated since the cross. In fact, the "temple" was an invalidated building even at the time of the writing of 2 Thessalonians.

Therefore thirdly, who has had the greatest motivation to replicate the "temple of God" and then try to set up a false worship in sacrilegious opposition to the true God? The Devil himself.

I believe he has been jonesing for centuries...to be able to go back to Jerusalem, to erect a near-perfect replica of the original temple...and to attempt to offend and affront God by having his 'man of sin' and himself receive worship.

Personally, for me it is has been sad to see American Evangelicals falling over themselves to support and finance an unbiblical, anti-biblical "temple"...when they should know better.

There is actually evidence (for what it's worth) that secret groups and 'secret societies' have for years been planning/conspiring to reconstruct the original Solomonic temple, FYI. Anybody who knows anything about "secret societies" knows that for hundreds of years their high and 'holy' objective has been to rebuild the temple...albeit, a (to put it politely) non-'Jesus honoring' version. In the late 1800's, "secret societies" expert Arthur Edward Waite wrote: "... in the High Grades we hear of a secret intention to build yet another temple at Jerusalem."

The people who have the greatest motive to rebuild the temple...are those who want a platform for the 'new world leader', in my understanding. I believe 2 Thess. is indicating that in an indirect way because...the author, Paul, had to have been keenly aware the temple was devoid of validity.

 

[OneFaith]

Is this the spiritual temple (us) or a literal temple (building)? Use scripture to prove either way if possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

It is figurative. It is like the pope for example- how he has His pope mobile, and let's people worship him- I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Ahwa: What you are presenting was started by a man named John Darby around 1830. He was suppose to be a man of some intellect. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place because he could see in the bible where the man of sin would enter the temple of God and proclaim himself God, but he found it impossible to accept that lost Jews could build a temple of God during the church age. So he came up with the idea that the church would go out in a secret gathering before the second coming of Christ. His reasoning was that when the church was taken out, then the church age would end and then Israel would go back under the law and that would allow them to build an actual temple of God. By creating this teaching he also created a way for the church to miss the tribulation. Anyway,he traveled all across the country teaching this idea and it completely swept over the church. I think what made it so likeable was that it gave folks a way to miss the tribulation period. We live in a time now when many people have proven that the teaching by Darby could not be true. However some things are hard for some folks to give up, so most of the church today still believe in this false teaching.

 

[G00WZ]

Is this the spiritual temple (us) or a literal temple (building)? Use scripture to prove either way if possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The temple is both us, and literal temple/buildings/statues ext... 1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit dwells in you?"

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Hes talking about the antichrist showing himself like he is God, because in Revelation 14.9-11 people will be getting the mark of the beast and worshiping its image
at the same time... and that word "Image" is a key word because we are supposed to be in Gods image, not the beasts.
And as for the actual building structures, just look around they already started bringing back the Arc of Baal and making Satan statues like the one in Detroit.

 

[Adstar]

If we are the temple of God then I suppose it is a physical temple, sort of.

Yes we are a temple of God if the Holy Spirit dwells in us.. But a temple of God can also be a physical bricks and mortar temple too.. As it was in Jerusalem..

 

[Adstar]

That's another good question, who is the man of sin? How do we know this is the antichrist? There are many people right now that sit upon the spiritual throne.

Well the man of sin must be an anti-christ, the christian community has come to call him The Anti-chirst to emphasis his futre leadership / critical role but He is more properly known as the man of sin or son of perdition..

2 Thessolonians 2 KJV
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


So while there aremany anti-christs in this world there is only One man who we call The Anti-Christ..

 

[Spurgeoncy]

I think its about the spiritual one (the church), but this spiritual one can be somehow merged with the physical temple in Jerusalem. False Christianity will invent also a false temple.

But I do not think the physical one was meant by Paul in this specific verse. The real deal is with the spiritual one. The physical one is something in the background, not important.

If Paul said "he will sit in the temple" I would say it is a physical one.

But because he said "he will sit in the temple of God", it must be the church. Because there is no other temple of God till the Earth and the Heavens will last. Any possible Jewish temple will not be the temple of God.

The New Covenant Temple Of God is the Church, which is composed of believers with the Holy Spirit indwelling, who in themselves are perhaps miniature Temples Of God. By definition, the Holy Spirit must indwell for us to be the Church.

So if the Wicked has not got the Holy Spirit, then he cannot be the Church, or in the Church.

Therefore it seems, simply by process of elimination if nothing else, that the Temple Of God has to be a physical Temple.

 

[JaumeJ]

Below Jesus is talking about the signs of His return, the signs of the end. When He teaches of the stones of the temple not being in place, He makes reference to the actual Temple of Ezra and to the Temple of Living stones with Himself as the chidf and the Corner Stone.

He was the first Stone rejectd by men that was taken to heaven. When He returns the angels will be sent first to gather those who are asleep in the faith, and second all who remain alive in the flesh who are in Jesus christ by faith.

Anything constructed in Jerusalem before this will not be directed by God. I do not refer to Ezekiel's Temple, I refer only to that Temple to be built in the Jerusalem of this age.


Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

[trofimus]

The New Covenant Temple Of God is the Church, which is composed of believers with the Holy Spirit indwelling, who in themselves are perhaps miniature Temples Of God. By definition, the Holy Spirit must indwell for us to be the Church.

So if the Wicked has not got the Holy Spirit, then he cannot be the Church, or in the Church.

Therefore it seems, simply by process of elimination if nothing else, that the Temple Of God has to be a physical Temple.

Words "temple of God" are never used for a physical temple in the New Testament, is it? Always for the church.

The roman catholic church in the middle ages was the perfect example of how something can be a church and still be ruled by antichrist, killing the real Christians and be lead astray in many teachings.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

[FONT=&quot]Matthew 21:12[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And Jesus went into the temple of God,


[FONT=&quot]Matthew 26:61[/FONT]
And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
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