Spiritual or Literal Temple

[trofimus]

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[FONT="]And Jesus went into the [B]temple [B]of [B]God,


[FONT="]Matthew 26:61[/FONT]
And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
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Matthew 21:12
"Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all..."

- it is not there, but it is even before the church, it could be called so in the OT times

Matthew 26:61
"And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days."

- meaning His body, not the Jewish temple

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Matthew 21:12
"Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all..."

- it is not there, but it is even before the church, it could be called so in the OT times

Matthew 26:61
"And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days."

- meaning His body, not the Jewish temple

Hieron theos = Temple Of God

 

[Ahwatukee]

Is this the spiritual temple (us) or a literal temple (building)? Use scripture to prove either way if possible.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That would be the literal future temple that is being spoken of in the scripture above. The reason that we know this is because, both Dan.9:27 and Matt.24:15 quoted by Jesus, supports the fact that it is a literal temple where that abomination is going to set up is the same temple that the man of lawlessness is going to stand in after he causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease during the middle of that last seven years.

The context should bear out whether the word "temple" is being used to refer to the body of the believer or to a literal, material building. And the scripture above is clear that it is speaking of a literal building.

 

[trofimus]

Hieron theos = Temple Of God

"Καὶ εἰσῆλθεν Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὸ ἱερόν καὶ ἐξέβαλεν πάντας"
And Jesus entered into the temple and cast out all

The word "theos" is only in the TR and so only in the KJV version.

But it was before the New Covenant, before our age. In the OT times it could be the temple of God, but is it called so after His ressurection, anywhere?

Matt 26 means that the Temple in Jerusalem could be destroyed, and the Church built within three thousand years.

Well, this is your interpretation, but the Gospels say Jesus meant His body, so only this one interpretation is certain.

And again, it was said before the foundation of the church, the real temple. Is the physical temple called the "temple of God" after this?

 

[KJV1611]

It is both depending on context.

Believers are the temple of God indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

There will be a literal temple from which Christ will rule and reign upon the earth during the millennium.

It is a priority that one be certain they are a temple in which the Holy Spirit dwells. Leave to God the business of how He will deal with Israel in the end times.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

This is what I'm looking for - where does the bible say there is a literal temple in the millennium? In my opinion Ezekeil 40 is not it.

 

[KJV1611]

How is Christ to rebuild the Temple without gathering th stones thereof? Do you believe the Chief and the Corner Stonew will always be separated from the Living Stones? It will be glorious, a mystery, but glorious. Prasie God, amen.

When was the spiritual temple torn down? Christ has been building the temple for the last 2000 years, each individual is a lively stone with more and more stones added everyday.

 

[KJV1611]

Good question. The popular idea at the present among most bible teachers is that the Jews will build a physical temple of God, that idea has some major roadblocks. First, how could Jews out of the will of God(not saved) build an actual temple of God. Of course they could build a replica of the temple of God, however it could never be the temple of God, and Paul said temple of God. Paul used the word that he at times used for the church, which means the actual dwelling place of God. Anyway, I do not expect the Jews to be building a temple of God in this church age.

I agree with this.

 

[KJV1611]

The Jerusalem of this age, is but a staging ground for the fulfillment of the final days' prophecies. Anhy temple constructed there will be by the will of sinners and designed by the same in order to further the grip on what is observed by the supersitious as the etrnal Jerusalem.

The true Jerusalem New Jerusalem, will come down from God in its time. Not only are the saints the living stones of the Tempel, the saints also are the components of teh walss of the New Jerusalem......it is in the Book.

Paul travailed in birth with the Galatians - he is Jerusalem which is above, so are we. I think the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven is the church AFTER our bodies have been glorified.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Matthew 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

If you bought a house and then rented it out, and some drug dealers moved in and turned it into a drug den, it is still your house.

 

[KJV1611]

Morning samuel23,



Proof that the building of a literal, physical temple

1). The Sanhedrin has been reconvened

2). They have been in the process of teaching how to sacrifice according to the law

3). They have blue prints for the temple already drawn up and ready to go

4). Seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and only sixty nine were fulfilled

5). After the church has been completed and gathered, God will pick up where He left off with Israel, including there being a temple and sacrifices

6). There must be a physical temple in order for the abomination to be set up in the holy place

7). There must be a physical temple for the antichrist in order for him to stand in it, proclaiming himself to be God

8). The seven year agreement by the antichrist will allow Israel to build her temple on the temple mount

The context should bear out whether the temple of the body or a physical temple is being referred to in the scripture. To ignore that and apply the temple as meaning the believers body, when it is clearly speaking of a physical temple establishes the basis for error.

How does one abominate (in God's eyes) an earthly temple built by God hating Jews?

 

[trofimus]

Matthew 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

If you bought a house and then rented it out, and some drug dealers moved in and turned it into a drug den, it is still your house.

I probably used wrong words.

I said "where is it called so in the New Testament", but I meant "in the era of the New Testament", i.e. after His ressurection.

There are some old things in the Gospes, before Jesus was crucified and the Old Covenant still in use.

 

[KJV1611]

Satan as the father of lies, his motive of operation comes by the corruptible things seen .The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and pride of this life.

When the time of reformation came the temple, a shadow used for that temporal time period.It lost its usefulness as a shadow when the veil was rent .Stones falling late just confirmed their unbelief.

It was I believe reformed to previous time period when there was no outward representative and men walked by faith. I would say the period of Judges.

From my experiences the idea of a the first century reformation just does not work for some who want to put a difference between the flesh of a Jew and a Gentile. We are the lively stones that make up the spiritual house of God the church, as the temple of God.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:It was time to do away with the shadows and types.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8

This revealed to us that not all Israel is Israel ...only the inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ. If any man Jew or Gentile have not that spirit they simply do not belong to Christ. The others outward Jews pertaining to their sinful flesh refused to recognize the reformation, as in nothing changed.

A portion of that wall today is used in their idol worship as if the veil was not rent.

What time period do you think it was restored to?

I don't think the temple ever was nor ever will be restored. I agree with you, it was only a shadow of the true temple so there is not need of the shadow any more.

 

[JaumeJ]

All who believe Jesus Christ must bear in heart, soul and mind that the Gospel was first given to Abraham.

Many OT people understood and lived in grace. Psalm 32 is a wonderful example of this. The gospel was brought for all peoples by the Gate possessed by the descendants of Abraham.

None of this takes away from the salvation of any, in Jesus Christ that is...........by grace.

Now once saved we are so joyous we cannot even begin to entertain the though of not obeying our Mker and Father in Jesus Christ........amen.

 

[trofimus]

"The sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two."
Luke 23:45

The end of the physical temple era. Now, the Holy Spirit abides in the church. And so the temple of God can be the church only.

 

[KJV1611]

The Antichrists, many, that are here for over two thousand years are shown as those who teach we do need a man to teach us.Because the antichrist (singular) Satan who has no form he uses it to his advantage to deny the work of Christ.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.1Jo 2:19

The warning of his motive of operation a few verses below.

1These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.Jo 2:26

A good example of that kind of seducing teem work, knowing Satan has no form is shown in an example in Mathew 16:

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, "Get thee behind me, "Satan": thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:21

No distinction between the things of men and those of God offends our God, just as it is written.(thou art an offence unto me)

Because Christ cannot deny he paid the wages of Peters sin in full ,he was reinstated over an over every time he denied Christ. Those who know not Christ will be sent a strong delusion so that they can continue to believe the lie.

It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.2Ti 2:11

I think the man of sin, the son of perdition was revealed when the falling away took place. Judas was a son of perdtition - he pretended to be a believer, he talked like a believer, looked like a believer and acted like a believer. The same holds true today and we can see this everywhere today in people that exalt themselves over all that is called God and CHANGE his word to fit their doctrine. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

 

[Ahwatukee]

How does one abominate (in God's eyes) an earthly temple built by God hating Jews?

The antichrist is going to establish a seven year covenant with Israel, which will be in fulfillment of that last seven years of the decree upon Israel and Jerusalem. Once the church has been completed, the Lord is going to appear (like a thief) and will gather the church, removing believers from the earth. Once the church has been gathered, then God will pick up where he left off with Israel (temple and all) in fulfillment of that last seven years.

I personally believe that the abomination that will be set up in the holy place, is synonymous with the image that the false prophet of Rev.13:14-16 has the inhabitants of the earth make in honor of the beast who will have received the fatal would, but survives. That said, the abomination is an image that is defined as "a reeking, foul stench" that goes up before God.

How does one abominate (in God's eyes) an earthly temple built by God hating Jews?

The short answer is, God will be dealing with Israel in the same situation, with temple and sacrifices, that He was prior to the on-set of the church, bringing the decree of the seventy 'sevens' to their completion.

 

[KJV1611]

If a man of sin is sitting in a temple declaring himself to be God.

It could not be a spiritual temple could it?

Or maybe there is no such thing as "The 7 year tribulation" and "The Antichrist". Which is absolutely how it is per the bible. How many people in the church today are sitting on the throne of God, showing themselves that they are God?

I've been looking for someone to post something to back up a literal temple in the last days and I don't think there is such a verse but I don't know everything.

 

[KJV1611]

So you did not want to know if it was literal vs a spiritual temple at all,, Your question was misleading

Not misleading at all. I've been looking to see if anyone could prove a last days literal temple... I don't see it in the bible but it could be something I'm missing.

 

[KJV1611]

Spiritually the man of sin could be Adam. Which we all are born into. True?

I think in a way yes because Adam represents the FIRST BORN - not born again. But ultimately I see the man of sin being more like a Judas, not in the betrayal apsect but in the FAKE believer aspect.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I think the man of sin, the son of perdition was revealed when the falling away took place. Judas was a son of perdtition - he pretended to be a believer, he talked like a believer, looked like a believer and acted like a believer.

The problem with the claim above is that, Paul spoke of the son of perdition in the future tense and of his fate when Christ returns. That said, Judas' betrayal and death would be in the past from Paul's letter. Also, the words "son of perdition" are not unique to just referring to Judas. Perdition just means destruction.