Stonesoffire: Genesis study

[Desertsrose]

​I did a study on Genesis years and years ago and don't have my notes anymore.

But in our study we all agreed that the light that was spoken of before the sun moon and stars were created was actually the light that God emanates from Himself. When Jesus is described, He's full of light.

Just thinking out loud here.... And there's the understanding that God created the heavens and the earth out of nothing.

So if you take nothing and create an earth with all it's atmosphere along with the solar system etc. out of nothing, I believe it had to be dark to begin with because this earth would be full of sin and evil and it's only a temporary home. The darkness describes a spiritual world that's not eternal. Heaven, however is full of light and there's no darkness in it at all.

Again, just thinking out loud - So God left a part of Himself in the form of light upon the earth. So do we have light during the day only from the sun, or is there a part of God's light that He left here of Himself?

But all this is conjecture. We don't have scriptures that tell us why God did what He did and why He did it in the order He created the heavens and the earth. I think it's good to keep that in mind so that we don't become dogmatic about something we can't prove one way or the other.

 

[samuel23]

I could write a book on the blank places in the bible, when we try to fill them in we can get into trouble(vain imagination). Here is one, how could the angels of God(sons of God) take human women and have children by them? Angels are suppose to be sexless, why would an angel even be aroused by a human woman since that is something created in male humans? There are all kinds of blank spaces in the bible, we know in part as so said Paul. If we decide to fill in all those blank places with out own thoughts we are going to really mess up big time.

 

[88]

The angels fell and left their "first estate" (Jude 1:6)---angels in heaven do not marry and reproduce (Mark 12:25)--- but fallen angels left their place (reproduced) and where later put in chain under darkness for it...(2 Peter 2:4)...

 

[Bladerunner]

I could write a book on the blank places in the bible, when we try to fill them in we can get into trouble(vain imagination). Here is one, how could the angels of God(sons of God) take human women and have children by them? Angels are suppose to be sexless, why would an angel even be aroused by a human woman since that is something created in male humans? There are all kinds of blank spaces in the bible, we know in part as so said Paul. If we decide to fill in all those blank places with out own thoughts we are going to really mess up big time.

FIlling in those blanks is where we get into trouble and is simple speculation. It is why we have so many different sects within the Christianity Religion.

As for the 'Sons of God' the Bible does not elaborate on how they became sexual or even if that was possible. Rem. These angels have the knowledge that far exceeds our knowledge. That in the Bible is evident.... Maybe they did not have sexual relations but rather used their DNA to produce babies in Human women.....We do that part today, so why would it be out of the ordinary for an angel.

Keep in mind, that these angels taught man several things far above their 'time period' knowledge. (i.e. such as mixing DNA of Humans and Animals ---Chimeras).

Having said that, I say, the Bible does not tells us how they (angels) bred human women. Therefore it is simple "I/WE DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER to your question(s)

If one.. reads the Bible and are confident that the answer to your questions are not answered elsewhere in the Bible, then one should say,,,I Don't Know these answers.......NOT 'Just because it was written does not mean it happened or It just did not happen because it does not tells us HOW.'

The Word of God is something you either have faith in or believe from cover to cover. If not, the Replacement Theology is awaiting you........

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

​I did a study on Genesis years and years ago and don't have my notes anymore.

But in our study we all agreed that the light that was spoken of before the sun moon and stars were created was actually the light that God emanates from Himself. When Jesus is described, He's full of light.

Just thinking out loud here.... And there's the understanding that God created the heavens and the earth out of nothing.

So if you take nothing and create an earth with all it's atmosphere along with the solar system etc. out of nothing, I believe it had to be dark to begin with because this earth would be full of sin and evil and it's only a temporary home. The darkness describes a spiritual world that's not eternal. Heaven, however is full of light and there's no darkness in it at all.

Again, just thinking out loud - So God left a part of Himself in the form of light upon the earth. So do we have light during the day only from the sun, or is there a part of God's light that He left here of Himself?

But all this is conjecture. We don't have scriptures that tell us why God did what He did and why He did it in the order He created the heavens and the earth. I think it's good to keep that in mind so that we don't become dogmatic about something we can't prove one way or the other.

GM!
I didn't quite understand your thought about how God created something from nothing and that was what created sin and evil. Could you explain that more? (And yes, I know it's just thoughts and not dogma. We are just having a conversation. )

I think that's good that in your study you all agreed the light was God. John thought so too! He talks about this Light in the beginning of his book. He also calls this Light the Word of God. And you can see that when the Word of God uttered forth, the result was this Light, because it was only through this Light that He created a single thing we see. But what we don't see with human eyes is what I believe the very start of Genesis is telling us about. We don't see these things that way.

I agree that dogma isn't the way to go with spiritually discerned things. Only the Spirit Himself can tell us of those things.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The angels fell and left their "first estate" (Jude 1:6)---angels in heaven do not marry and reproduce (Mark 12:25)--- but fallen angels left their place (reproduced) and where later put in chain under darkness for it...(2 Peter 2:4)...

I've never heard samuels question explained that way!
They left their place and did things that never should have occurred to them had they not rebelled...interesting 88.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

FIlling in those blanks is where we get into trouble and is simple speculation. It is why we have so many different sects within the Christianity Religion.

As for the 'Sons of God' the Bible does not elaborate on how they became sexual or even if that was possible. Rem. These angels have the knowledge that far exceeds our knowledge. That in the Bible is evident.... Maybe they did not have sexual relations but rather used their DNA to produce babies in Human women.....We do that part today, so why would it be out of the ordinary for an angel.

Keep in mind, that these angels taught man several things far above their 'time period' knowledge. (i.e. such as mixing DNA of Humans and Animals ---Chimeras).

Having said that, I say, the Bible does not tells us how they (angels) bred human women. Therefore it is simple "I/WE DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER to your question(s)

If one.. reads the Bible and are confident that the answer to your questions are not answered elsewhere in the Bible, then one should say,,,I Don't Know these answers.......NOT 'Just because it was written does not mean it happened or It just did not happen because it does not tells us HOW.'

The Word of God is something you either have faith in or believe from cover to cover. If not, the Replacement Theology is awaiting you........

I'd never heard this DNA thing either...it's interesting. I'm going to try to do a word study on that story of when this happened to see if I find anything.

What do you think those first mentions of darkness and light might be?

 

[Bladerunner]

I'd never heard this DNA thing either...it's interesting. I'm going to try to do a word study on that story of when this happened to see if I find anything.

What do you think those first mentions of darkness and light might be?

DNA is not in the Bible but it would be a viable way for them to reproduce.... We just do not know and it was just a supposition on my part.

May I say, that there are areas in the Bible that are not clear and that lead to assumptions by people. Some of these people take these assumptions and try/promote their Ideology/Theology onto others that have not idea what the Bible states. Myself, as I read the bible, as in the case of the Angels, it does not say they had SEX with the daughters of man. The Bible does say "....when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men...." (gen 6:4)..

Everything else is supposition on the part of the reader.

Having said that,,,The Book of Enoch, tells us that the angels did have sex with the human women. Keep in mind that the Book of Enoch is NOT scripture and is not inspired by God. It was never referred to by Jesus or the New Testament. Enoch was referred to by Jude 14-15.


As far as your question, the darkness and light.

There are those that say darkness is the absence of light. From what I read, God created the Darkness as we see in Genesis 1:2. From that I can speculate that there was no darkness surrounding God. This also goes down the line with what the 'Book of Enoch' tells us about Heaven and the Throne of God.

We are told that God's body is of light. therefore when He in Genesis 1:3 let there be light, His Glorious Light shined upon all and overtook the darkness for in Gen 1:4, he separated the Light from the Darkness.

To answer your question, it is my opinion that God created both the darkness and the light that shines upon the earth. In gen 1:5 he calls each one by a separate name. "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night......"


thank you for asking the question.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

What do you think those first mentions of darkness and light might be?

I agree with you that it is not the sun and moon.


John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God ...


Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light


1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.


2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts


Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light ...

 

[stonesoffire]

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

What does this mean? I've always been puzzled by this scripture. Does it tie in some way with what we are talking about?

Back later..

 

[Ariel82]

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

What does this mean? I've always been puzzled by this scripture. Does it tie in some way with what we are talking about?

Back later..

That refers to a person's soul. God breathed life into every living being and that is our light, our spark of life.

 

[Ariel82]

I wince every time someone quotes the book of Enoch as if it's scripture...and we will leave it at that.

 

[Ariel82]

Genesis 1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.

And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good;

and God divided the light from the darkness.
God called the light Day,
and the darkness He called Night.
So the evening and the morning were the first day.


*** rereading this I realise that God didn't call the darkness good. Also the deep or the abyss is mentioned in revelation.

 

[Magenta]

FIlling in those blanks is where we get into trouble and is simple speculation. It is why we have so many different sects within the Christianity Religion.

As for the 'Sons of God' the Bible does not elaborate on how they became sexual or even if that was possible. Rem. These angels have the knowledge that far exceeds our knowledge. That in the Bible is evident.... Maybe they did not have sexual relations but rather used their DNA to produce babies in Human women.....We do that part today, so why would it be out of the ordinary for an angel.

Keep in mind, that these angels taught man several things far above their 'time period' knowledge. (i.e. such as mixing DNA of Humans and Animals ---Chimeras).

Having said that, I say, the Bible does not tells us how they (angels) bred human women. Therefore it is simple "I/WE DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER to your question(s)

If one.. reads the Bible and are confident that the answer to your questions are not answered elsewhere in the Bible, then one should say,,,I Don't Know these answers.......NOT 'Just because it was written does not mean it happened or It just did not happen because it does not tells us HOW.'

The Word of God is something you either have faith in or believe from cover to cover. If not, the Replacement Theology is awaiting you........

Some people simply take the sons of God and daughters of men to mean descendants of Seth (God worshipers) and descendants of Cain (self worshipers, worldly, pagans, idolaters etc) respectively. Meaning, it has nothing to do with angels having sexual intercourse with human beings, but intermarriage between what we would now consider to be unequally yoked people

 

[Bladerunner]

I wince every time someone quotes the book of Enoch as if it's scripture...and we will leave it at that.

If you were speaking of my article on this page (#28),,, please read it again with a little closer scrutiny. If you were not speaking of this article, then please remit the post # to another post since I seem to have missed it as well.

 

[Bladerunner]

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

What does this mean? I've always been puzzled by this scripture. Does it tie in some way with what we are talking about?

Back later..

Are we speaking of 1 John 1:9 (KJV)..."If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

 

[Bladerunner]

Some people simply take the sons of God and daughters of men to mean descendants of Seth (God worshipers) and descendants of Cain (self worshipers, worldly, pagans, idolaters etc) respectively. Meaning, it has nothing to do with angels having sexual intercourse with human beings, but intermarriage between what we would now consider to be unequally yoked people

Hi Magenta....How are you this evening.

Yes, in regards to your article, some people are Seithites and that line of thought (as you already know) is a false reading of the Bible. Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." Did man present himself (which man) to God and Satan Present. The Hebrew word for 'Sons of God' is B'nai HaElohim...or Sons of Elohim

A good question could asked....What was wrong with all the daughters of other Men,,,were they not pretty enough or something.????

(1)"Origin of the Sethite View

It was in the 5th century a.d. that the "angel" interpretation of Genesis 6 was increasingly viewed as an embarrassment when attacked by critics. (Furthermore, the worship of angels had begun within the church. Also, celibacy had also become an institution of the church. The "angel" view of Genesis 6 was feared as impacting these views.)" The Church just happens to be the RCC.


References
(1)... Koinonia House Ministry

 

[Magenta]

Hi Magenta....How are you this evening.

Yes, in regards to your article, some people are Seithites and that line of thought (as you already know) is a false reading of the Bible. Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." Did man present himself (which man) to God and Satan Present. The Hebrew word for 'Sons of God' is B'nai HaElohim...or Sons of Elohim

A good question could asked....What was wrong with all the daughters of other Men,,,were they not pretty enough or something.????

(1)"Origin of the Sethite View

It was in the 5th century a.d. that the "angel" interpretation of Genesis 6 was increasingly viewed as an embarrassment when attacked by critics. (Furthermore, the worship of angels had begun within the church. Also, celibacy had also become an institution of the church. The "angel" view of Genesis 6 was feared as impacting these views.)" The Church just happens to be the RCC. References (1)... Koinonia House Ministry

No, I do not know it is false, as it is a perfectly acceptable interpretation of what is being communicated. To say there was something wrong with the women not being pretty enough is a bit off... there is something wrong with people in general. The thoughts of their hearts being only evil all the time and all. The wisest of men took seven hundred wives and several hundred concubines for himself and they did exactly as God said they would: they turned him away from God to worship false idols. Marriage outside one's faith has always been viewed similarly to adultery, since marriage is so often used as a picture of God's faithfulness to us. He does not want people who know Him to marry people who do not know Him. That is evident throughout the whole of Scripture. Poor Hosea had to marry a prostitute to show the people how God saw their unfaithfulness.

 

[stonesoffire]

That refers to a person's soul. God breathed life into every living being and that is our light, our spark of life.

Ariel, I've heard that the teaching of the divine spark is new age. I don't know if it is or not, but I compare scriptures with other scriptures. Do you see what you said elsewhere?

 

[stonesoffire]

Are we speaking of 1 John 1:9 (KJV)..."If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

No, the book John. The scripture is posted.