Stonesoffire: Genesis study
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Can I throw a spanner in the works about this darkness and light thingy. 
When people talk about darkness and light, they automatically think of visible light.
But God didn't just create visible light, He created the entire spectrum of light both
visible and invisible to us, X-ray, ultraviolet and all the others.
See this about light spectrums.
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html
https://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/EDDOCS/Wavelengths_for_Colors.html
There are many wave lengths of light we cannot see with human eyes, although
some animals can see what we can't.
There are also bible verses which talk about and darkness and unapproachable
light in relation to God.
1 Timothy 6:16 NKJV
[16] who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man
has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
1 Kings 8:12-13 NKJV
[12] Then Solomon spoke: "The LORD said He would dwell in the dark cloud. [13] I have
surely built You an exalted house, And a place for You to dwell in forever."
Psalm 97:2-5 NKJV
[2] Clouds and darkness surround Him; Righteousness and justice are the foundation
of His throne. [3] A fire goes before Him, And burns up His enemies round about.
[4] His lightnings light the world; The earth sees and trembles. [5] The mountains
melt like wax at the presence of the LORD, At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
I believe that God created all light, all forms of radiation (that's what light is as far as human
knowledge allows for) both visible and invisible to us. Looking at it from this perspective its
not hard to see where our perception of darkness comes from - to us it may just be invisible
light.
Then there is also darkness as we perceive it created assigned to the laws of nature, which are
set in place by God. In that a big ball of light in the sky gives daylight to us and a smaller
mirrow reflected ball of light gives us some light at night time.
Genesis 1:16-19 NKJV
[16] Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light
to rule the night. He made the stars also. [17] God set them in the firmament of the heavens
to give light on the earth, [18] and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the
light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. [19] So the evening and the morning
were the fourth day.
Hopefully folks can see what I mean, there is the created light consisting of all spectrums of the
band width created by God - although maybe there are even more types of light we have not
discovered yet.
Then there are the laws of creation set in place by God which give us day and night, shadows and
bright open spaces etc.
A bigger mystery still, is how a pure holy God of light wrapped himself up and hid
himself in the small body of a tiny baby - all for our benefit.
When people talk about darkness and light, they automatically think of visible light.
But God didn't just create visible light, He created the entire spectrum of light both
visible and invisible to us, X-ray, ultraviolet and all the others.
See this about light spectrums.
https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html
https://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/EDDOCS/Wavelengths_for_Colors.html
There are many wave lengths of light we cannot see with human eyes, although
some animals can see what we can't.
There are also bible verses which talk about and darkness and unapproachable
light in relation to God.
1 Timothy 6:16 NKJV
[16] who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man
has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
1 Kings 8:12-13 NKJV
[12] Then Solomon spoke: "The LORD said He would dwell in the dark cloud. [13] I have
surely built You an exalted house, And a place for You to dwell in forever."
Psalm 97:2-5 NKJV
[2] Clouds and darkness surround Him; Righteousness and justice are the foundation
of His throne. [3] A fire goes before Him, And burns up His enemies round about.
[4] His lightnings light the world; The earth sees and trembles. [5] The mountains
melt like wax at the presence of the LORD, At the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
I believe that God created all light, all forms of radiation (that's what light is as far as human
knowledge allows for) both visible and invisible to us. Looking at it from this perspective its
not hard to see where our perception of darkness comes from - to us it may just be invisible
light.
Then there is also darkness as we perceive it created assigned to the laws of nature, which are
set in place by God. In that a big ball of light in the sky gives daylight to us and a smaller
mirrow reflected ball of light gives us some light at night time.
Genesis 1:16-19 NKJV
[16] Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light
to rule the night. He made the stars also. [17] God set them in the firmament of the heavens
to give light on the earth, [18] and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the
light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. [19] So the evening and the morning
were the fourth day.
Hopefully folks can see what I mean, there is the created light consisting of all spectrums of the
band width created by God - although maybe there are even more types of light we have not
discovered yet.
Then there are the laws of creation set in place by God which give us day and night, shadows and
bright open spaces etc.
A bigger mystery still, is how a pure holy God of light wrapped himself up and hid
himself in the small body of a tiny baby - all for our benefit.
So then, you think this was a created light rather than Jesus, the uncreated light, being spoken of in the beginning of Genesis?
Yes! I think so. It all was created to show His glory. To show our story. All was created as copies or pictures of the spirit of the matter. We don't see the spirit of the matter because Adam died to Spirit and then since he was made to bring forth of his own kind, could only then bring forth the spiritually dead.
It all was created to show His glory. To show our story. All was created as copies or pictures of the spirit of the matter. We don't see the spirit of the matter because Adam died to Spirit and then since he was made to bring forth of his own kind, could only then bring forth the spiritually dead.Ah, okay. I thought it would be inferred from what I said in paragraph 6 of post #4.
I was not meticulously clear I think.
NOTHING is said to be good UNTIL the light.
The first separation, which was the creation of earth, is not said to be good.
The darkness that seemed to be here because of that separation is not said to be good.
The separation of the waters above from those below is not said to be good.
When I mentioned three places that denoted separations and how they were not pronounced good, I assumed I would be understood and that others would find them. Sorry. I'm not always clear enough.
B
The darkness in a room or in the night sky the physical darkness, differs then the spiritual darkness...
The light from a light bulb or a sun or other star in the physical light, differs from the light From spiritual means...
Like saying so, sow, sew means the same, so does using words in correct context, yes one can use both the words darkness and light in context of scripture as long as it's in order...
The light from a light bulb or a sun or other star in the physical light, differs from the light From spiritual means...
Like saying so, sow, sew means the same, so does using words in correct context, yes one can use both the words darkness and light in context of scripture as long as it's in order...
M
This was so interesting. Thank you!
So then, you think this was a created light rather than Jesus, the uncreated light, being spoken of in the beginning of Genesis?
So then, you think this was a created light rather than Jesus, the uncreated light, being spoken of in the beginning of Genesis?
and spectrums. Then later God created the sun an actual body of light to illuminate
little old earth just for us.
The sun isn't just like a light bulb it's very complex. Google "what is the sun made of"
and you will see what I mean.
Jesus God the son, was there before the beginning before anything was made. He is
God. Nothing was made without him. God the father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit were all there before the beginning of anything as perceived by us.
Genesis 1:1-4 NKJV
[1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [2] The earth was
without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God was hovering over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, "Let there
be light"; and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good; and
God divided the light from the darkness.
John 1:1-5 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] He was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made through Him, and without
Him nothing was made that was made. [4] In Him was life, and the life was the light of
men. [5] And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
I believe verse 4 above relates to spiritual light, an awakening of us to the truth - before
this happens we are in darkness spiritually due to the fall.
Then there is created light and dark the laws of nature etc.
Then there is darkness as referred to in respect of the description of utter evil,
demonic etc.
But i have always thought of the pure holy dazzling light of God - who He is - as being
something entirely different something beyond comprehension. It's not created it's part of the
very essence of who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is.
I don't pretend to fully understand it but it does say that at the moment we see things
as through a veil, but one day that veil will be lifted. We cannot comprehend what
awaits us either with our physical senses or our current understanding.
I know there won't be a sun in eternity as the glory and radience of God will be fully
revealed and sufficient.
Revelation 22:5 NKJV
[5] There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord
God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
Isaiah 60:19 NKJV
[19] "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon
give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory.
I know this sounds crazy but I have seen the transfiguration of Jesus in a dream.
I was also shown the 3 person's of the trinity in a dream at a time when I was very
confused about them. I have posted on here before about these dreams but I know
some are sceptical. I will share them in a PM if you are interested.
I believe when God said let there be light, it was created light with all its facits
and spectrums. Then later God created the sun an actual body of light to illuminate
little old earth just for us.
The sun isn't just like a light bulb it's very complex. Google "what is the sun made of"
and you will see what I mean.
Jesus God the son, was there before the beginning before anything was made. He is
God. Nothing was made without him. God the father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit were all there before the beginning of anything as perceived by us.
Genesis 1:1-4 NKJV
[1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [2] The earth was
without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God was hovering over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, "Let there
be light"; and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good; and
God divided the light from the darkness.
John 1:1-5 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] He was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made through Him, and without
Him nothing was made that was made. [4] In Him was life, and the life was the light of
men. [5] And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
I believe verse 4 above relates to spiritual light, an awakening of us to the truth - before
this happens we are in darkness spiritually due to the fall.
Then there is created light and dark the laws of nature etc.
Then there is darkness as referred to in respect of the description of utter evil,
demonic etc.
But i have always thought of the pure holy dazzling light of God - who He is - as being
something entirely different something beyond comprehension. It's not created it's part of the
very essence of who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is.
I don't pretend to fully understand it but it does say that at the moment we see things
as through a veil, but one day that veil will be lifted. We cannot comprehend what
awaits us either with our physical senses or our current understanding.
I know there won't be a sun in eternity as the glory and radience of God will be fully
revealed and sufficient.
Revelation 22:5 NKJV
[5] There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord
God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
Isaiah 60:19 NKJV
[19] "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon
give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory.
I know this sounds crazy but I have seen the transfiguration of Jesus in a dream.
I was also shown the 3 person's of the trinity in a dream at a time when I was very
confused about them. I have posted on here before about these dreams but I know
some are sceptical. I will share them in a PM if you are interested.
and spectrums. Then later God created the sun an actual body of light to illuminate
little old earth just for us.
The sun isn't just like a light bulb it's very complex. Google "what is the sun made of"
and you will see what I mean.
Jesus God the son, was there before the beginning before anything was made. He is
God. Nothing was made without him. God the father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit were all there before the beginning of anything as perceived by us.
Genesis 1:1-4 NKJV
[1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [2] The earth was
without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God was hovering over the face of the waters. [3] Then God said, "Let there
be light"; and there was light. [4] And God saw the light, that it was good; and
God divided the light from the darkness.
John 1:1-5 NKJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] He was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made through Him, and without
Him nothing was made that was made. [4] In Him was life, and the life was the light of
men. [5] And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
I believe verse 4 above relates to spiritual light, an awakening of us to the truth - before
this happens we are in darkness spiritually due to the fall.
Then there is created light and dark the laws of nature etc.
Then there is darkness as referred to in respect of the description of utter evil,
demonic etc.
But i have always thought of the pure holy dazzling light of God - who He is - as being
something entirely different something beyond comprehension. It's not created it's part of the
very essence of who God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is.
I don't pretend to fully understand it but it does say that at the moment we see things
as through a veil, but one day that veil will be lifted. We cannot comprehend what
awaits us either with our physical senses or our current understanding.
I know there won't be a sun in eternity as the glory and radience of God will be fully
revealed and sufficient.
Revelation 22:5 NKJV
[5] There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord
God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
Isaiah 60:19 NKJV
[19] "The sun shall no longer be your light by day, Nor for brightness shall the moon
give light to you; But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, And your God your glory.
I know this sounds crazy but I have seen the transfiguration of Jesus in a dream.
I was also shown the 3 person's of the trinity in a dream at a time when I was very
confused about them. I have posted on here before about these dreams but I know
some are sceptical. I will share them in a PM if you are interested.
Admittedly, yes, the Spirit of the words is dim for us a lot of the time. All the things God saw were good, only begin to be created after this light that isn't the sun appeared here. Before that, He doesn't say any of it is good. And since all we see with our human eyes was created through Jesus, who is called this uncreated light by John, it makes perfect sense to me. But it's good to hear from those too who don't agree the light is Jesus.
